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[mod]#1
To address the particular thread in question, the seller stated the following :
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cool80
£210 and u have a deal i have just put the phone up at a few other places including dads shop so it could go ppl. ?


The < & a few other places > is more than one local shop & is enough to constitute an infraction regarding also listing the item for sale elsewhere and it was the OP themselves who admitted it. We have to use our discretion in cases like this, & this is what has been done in this instance.
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#2
May I ask why you cannot list items elsewhere?
What purpose does it serve?

I got a yellow card a while back for listing something on here and on avforums.
Seemed to me completely pointless. If it got sold elsewhere then I'd remove it here.
#3
sigma
We have to use our discretion in cases like this, & this is what has been done in this instance.[/B]


Oh so the rules are now discretionary. How very fair.:x
banned#4
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270753

Thread now locked by Sigma


Personally i would say it doesnt matter if its for sale elsewhere ONLINE or OFFLINE...either way its for sale elsewhere

Now dunno if I'm right here but seems to have bumped more than twice which in itself would get thread locked but tbh the whole thing looked dodgy as hell...I wouldnt buy from him...no feedback and asks you to trust him that he will take £200 of your money THEN post....Vibeone hit the nail on the head with his post and the guy was just rude about it
banned#5
Hillfly;3421845
Oh so the rules are now discretionary. How very fair.:x

Well you would moan if he had ripped you off right?

I think Sigma did the right thing totally on that thread and his attitude sisnt do much to ease my worries...looked like someone was gonna get ripped off to me
#6
But the rules make no mention whatsoever of offline advertising. Discretion has no part in this as far as I can see. If it's online AND offline then change the rules to reflect the fact.
banned 1 Like #7
Shengis;3421890
But the rules make no mention whatsoever of offline advertising. Discretion has no part in this as far as I can see. If it's online AND offline then change the rules to reflect the fact.


Agree rules should state it but I always took it as a given

"* Selling items on behalf of a third party is NOT permitted. The items MUST belong to you and be in YOUR possession."
That bit should be gotten rid of too cause seen fair few times now that people have done that with mod permission...yet I asked if I could do that with Foster boys 360 ages ago and was told no!?:?
#8
I seem to remember a while back somebody selling some tickets or something, the thread ran for quite a few pages and then the op said, sorry sold them now. When questioned they had sold them to somebody in the office they work in. No action was taken......
#9
As the user in question states "at a few other places including dads shop" and also "oops sorry just realised will take it off in the morning from shop and other places", we believe that is enough to close the thread and not allow the trade.

Not allowing listing items elsewhere online whilst listed here isn't unfair, it's to help fight potential scammers.

If someone is selling in two or three other forums, they could quite easily take money from all buyers and disappear. We're unable to and shouldn't have to monitor every other online trading forum to stop it happening there, we can only do our best here.
#10
rayman
We're unable to and shouldn't have to monitor every other online trading forum to stop it happening there, we can only do our best here.


That shows the flaw in the rule though, you can never be sure about any item listed on here that it isn't listed somewhere else. A 1 day trading suspension isn't that much of a deterrent is it?

By the way, got £250 for the JB so I made a profit by chucking it on ebay ;-) :lol:
banned#11
Shengis
But the rules make no mention whatsoever of offline advertising. Discretion has no part in this as far as I can see. If it's online AND offline then change the rules to reflect the fact.


Thank you my point exactly. If i want to advertise an item in the local paper and on here the rules don't say i'm not allowed. I agree that guy wasn't playing ball but he didn't break the rule stated.
#12
Hillfly
Oh so the rules are now discretionary. How very fair.:x


If you think about it, it stops a sale being agreed then the seller pulling out since they got more selling on a different site, its understandable.

The rules are vague though since once I had a friend who was interested in something I was selling but it was listed here so people told me he had to register then post on the site to show his interest!

Strange.
#13
Seems a simple enough change to update the rules for online and offline, I think it's fairly clear that the item shouldn't be for sale anywhere else.

I think it's a good rule to have in general as along with no private trades the cards are all on the table, whenever I've seen items being sold across multiple forums it's a mess because different people are offering different amounts and only the seller is likely to know what position it's in.

John
banned#14
rayman;3421967
As the user in question states "at a few other places including dads shop" and also "oops sorry just realised will take it off in the morning from shop and other places", we believe that is enough to close the thread and not allow the trade.

Not allowing listing items elsewhere online whilst listed here isn't unfair, it's to help fight potential scammers.

If someone is selling in two or three other forums, they could quite easily take money from all buyers and disappear. We're unable to and shouldn't have to monitor every other online trading forum to stop it happening there, we can only do our best here.



There was too much ambiguity about that particular sale, especially reference to 'other places'. Correctly pulled in my opinion. Seller also indicated they had read the rules, but for one reason or another decided to disregard the ones they did not agree with.

I believe that a seller/buyer always has the right to withdraw an item/bid, but far too often this is simply accepted and never reflected in feedback. Who wants to deal with timewasters ?

Plain and simple, if you don't agree, list elsewhere. Don't try and list an item then argue whether the rules are fair or not. This is a free service offering sellers the opportunity to set 'reserve prices' without the payment of fees, not a place where potential scammers can roam free. :thumbsup:
#15
So the rules say that you can't list it elsewhere online yet an infraction was given for trying to sell offline? I haven't seen any evidence that suggests that it broke the rule?
1 Like #16
rayman
As the user in question states "at a few other places including dads shop" and also "oops sorry just realised will take it off in the morning from shop and other places", we believe that is enough to close the thread and not allow the trade.

Not allowing listing items elsewhere online whilst listed here isn't unfair, it's to help fight potential scammers.

If someone is selling in two or three other forums, they could quite easily take money from all buyers and disappear. We're unable to and shouldn't have to monitor every other online trading forum to stop it happening there, we can only do our best here.


How does it stop scammers? Because instead of pretending to sell 10 iphones they have to pretend to sell an iphone, a laptop, a camera, etc?

I fail to see how it stops scammers? A tiny bit more effort may be required, and I mean a tiny bit. It's not going to stop them is it?
banned#17
Benjimoron;3430517
So the rules say that you can't list it elsewhere online yet an infraction was given for trying to sell offline? I haven't seen any evidence that suggests that it broke the rule?


The thread was closed due to lack of clarity, 'shop and other places' for sale has already been highlighted.
banned#18
Benjimoron;3430538
How does it stop scammers? Because instead of pretending to sell 10 iphones they have to pretend to sell an iphone, a laptop, a camera, etc?

I fail to see how it stops scammers? A tiny bit more effort may be required, and I mean a tiny bit. It's not going to stop them is it?


Not much, but it's going to be of damage limitation to HUKD members with only 2 items max being sold on here. Following FS/FT rules always reduces the risk, not eliminating entirely. :thumbsup:
#19
aScottishBloke
The thread was closed due to lack of clarity, 'shop and other places' for sale has already been highlighted.


Why give an infraction without asking for clarity about where these other places were? I assume no one asked? No-where does it say that these other places were online.
#20
aScottishBloke
Not much, but it's going to be of damage limitation to HUKD members with only 2 items max being sold on here. Following FS/FT rules always reduces the risk, not eliminating entirely. :thumbsup:


If you were a scammer then that rule wouldn't stop you scamming whatsoever. It only serves to limit what genuine people can do.
banned#21
Benjimoron;3431107
Why give an infraction without asking for clarity about where these other places were? I assume no one asked? No-where does it say that these other places were online.


Mods may have asked directly, or locked the thread until contact was made by the seller as a temp measure.

Benjimoron;3431114
If you were a scammer then that rule wouldn't stop you scamming whatsoever. It only serves to limit what genuine people can do.


It's not about prevention, more damage limitation, and also to prevent 'traders'.

OT - RedTen may appear to have finally sunk - See MSE for further details :thumbsup:
#22
aScottishBloke
Mods may have asked directly, or locked the thread until contact was made by the seller as a temp measure.



It's not about prevention, more damage limitation, and also to prevent 'traders'.

OT - RedTen may appear to have finally sunk - See MSE for further details :thumbsup:


Just seen it, was going to congratulate you! They'll never go away tho, I'd be suprised not to hear about them in a years time.


Oh and how does that rule limit damage, it just makes a scammer list different items rather than the same.
banned#23
Benjimoron;3431370
Just seen it, was going to congratulate you! They'll never go away tho, I'd be suprised not to hear about them in a years time.


Oh and how does that rule limit damage, it just makes a scammer list different items rather than the same.


Feedback is king, if only it was used in all circumstances :thumbsup:
#24
aScottishBloke
Feedback is king, if only it was used in all circumstances :thumbsup:


Yep, just don't see how the rule actually stops scammers? It's a very minor inconvenience for them, ironically it probably makes what they're doing seems more likely, if they were found to be selling 10 iphones someone would start asking questions, if they are selling 10 different items it would look like they're having a clear out!

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