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banned 1 Like #1
thought they were allowed as long as fulfilled by amazon.....
1 Like #2
Yep, in a minute it is going to be nearly every deal will be a marketplace seller, I saw they are allowing established known sellers with good feedback. But we are getting unknown sellers with poor feedback, a deal yesterday was a seller with 91% positives, even fleabay would have banned them.
Also people are not putting the P&P which can be high.

If they are going to allow Marketplace sellers, it should be clearly marked in the header, or better still make a seperate category for them. I most of the time ignore marketplace, after having bad experience with them. I am tired of going to deals and finding they are not Amazon themselves.
banned#3
thegroutch
csiman
thought they were allowed as long as fulfilled by amazon.....


that's the thing tho, some are now being allowed that aren't fulfilled by amazon

like look at this one:

HDMI Cable

the guy posted this deal yesterday just after signing up, if that doesnt set alarm bells ringing I dont know what does

Oh I see. Mods do seem remarkably absent over the last few weeks (apart from ASB))
banned#4
thegroutch
csiman
thought they were allowed as long as fulfilled by amazon.....


that's the thing tho, some are now being allowed that aren't fulfilled by amazon

like look at this one:

HDMI Cable

the guy posted this deal yesterday just after signing up, if that doesnt set alarm bells ringing I dont know what does

I just spammed it BTW ;)
#5
#6
brilly


It does seem very dodgy to allow such deals to me - a 98p deal where if something goes wrong the out is to dial a mobile phone number and arrange a return. There were several reasons why such deals weren't allowed: lack of contact details, risk of self-promotion and unknown stock control with the risk of being unable to fulfill large orders likely to occur when a deal is promoted here. None of these reasons have changed,
#7
brilly


Given his past record a gentle bit of promo in the thread is an improvement.

Are these type of "deals" from sellers on ebay and amazon now allowed? Or is amazon gettng "special" treatment?
#8
With that deal above, it seems sometimes I'm taken to "TheAVSeller"s store, sometimes to "Star e-shop"; also "iCompInkCartridges" is who the deal is listed at. The link seems to rotate every minute or so; this is presumably due to the way marketplace works; but it also means I (or any other purchaser) has even less idea of where the item is coming from and what the return policy is. What if, for example, "TheAVSeller" are good and reliable and "Star e-shop" are awful?

Edited By: jah128 on Jan 04, 2011 13:43
#9
I made a thread on this to do with ebay and Amazon mp as a side line some months ago and got basically no where.

It was on a "common sense" approach it was said by Admin in that thread, so yes how movable are the goal posts.

Without rigid rules you will inevitably get crap deals, self promo, scammy sellers, people with duff fb and and spam, but yes it's getting worse, it always would do. As there are no "clear" rules as to what is allowed or not.
banned#10
I always thought no sole traders were allowed, so without any way of telling if a marketplace seller is one or not, then are sole traders allowed now?

BRB, off to list some stuff on amazon, create a new account on here (using a proxy of course) then post all my bargains
[admin]#11
If anyone has suggestions for fair rules/guidelines for Marketplace/ebay we're all ears.
#12
Admin
If anyone has suggestions for fair rules/guidelines for Marketplace/ebay we're all ears.

Separate category and allow established, reputable sellers with over 98% positive feedback (amazon and ebay)? Or ban the whole lot from deals and post in the all new "deals/ helpful misc" when misc gets a revamp

Ebay makes more sense than Amazon TBH as you are covered by paypal in the event of the item not turning up.
[admin]#13
A separate category isn't going to happen. A deal should be a deal - if we start new categories based on "possibility of getting this" there would be a lot more things to split out.

98% positive feedback is a place to start.
banned#14
Admin
A separate category isn't going to happen. A deal should be a deal - if we start new categories based on "possibility of getting this" there would be a lot more things to split out.

98% positive feedback is a place to start.


how can you tell if they are a sole trader?
And based on that is any ebay deal by a business seller allowed now?

Edited By: colinsunderland on Jan 04, 2011 23:51
#15
And as in the example posted above: how can you ensure that the deal link follows through to a specific retailer rather than Amazon's choice?
banned#16
Admin
If anyone has suggestions for fair rules/guidelines for Marketplace/ebay we're all ears.

stop marketplace completely unless fulfilled by amazon. Seems obvious to me.

only allow big ebay outlets like zavvi.
banned#17
brilly

SPAM IT as it is not fulfilled by amazon as per previously laid down rules. Andywedge probably didnt notice it wasnt a proper amazon deal.
1 Like #18
See before, I thought it was just a known rule that Amazon was AMazon only or fufilled by Amazon.

Ebay were large well know outlets only. Which is no issue if you list only outlet deals as they are all well known established retailers.

It's when you start allowing DOTD the issues started. As DOTD'S aren't always outlet sellers. They can be from quite small time sellers, etc, etc.

This has muddied the waters I think becuase if these sellers are allowed as DOTD's why not similar etc.

It was much better when it was Amazon fufilled and ebay outlets only IMO.
#19
Admin
If anyone has suggestions for fair rules/guidelines for Marketplace/ebay we're all ears.

Identifying mark on the side, like a ebay tag, this could be done with entering an item number in rather then selecting a link as you block links via the rest of the forum, also would prompt code to place the tag on the website, would make people more aware of where they are buying from or voting from, though they should really be aware of this when they click the link, but makes it more user friendly.

http://blog.discover.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ebay-logo.jpg

Get the team to add outlet to the bottom (Ain't got the time or I would on a smaller scale of course)

In regards to amazon, can't really think of a work around for that.
#20
csiman
brilly
SPAM IT as it is not fulfilled by amazon as per previously laid down rules. Andywedge probably didnt notice it wasnt a proper amazon deal.
yeah i already did, admin seems to suggest its now allowed though by posting in this thread.

fulfilled by amazon or established retailer via amazon (each with new retailer addition in database) at most from amazon
established retailer via ebay

but.. this would leave open 3 posts for each retailer unless managed
eg 7.99 @ 7dayshop, 7.86 @ amazon marketplace by 7dayshop, 7.96 @ ebay 7dayshop
(assuming exists in ebay)

like currys pcworld dixons are allowed to be posted seperately and hut/azvvi.asda etc etc
but more annoying

Edited By: brilly on Jan 05, 2011 14:32
#21
Admin
If anyone has suggestions for fair rules/guidelines for Marketplace/ebay we're all ears.
The header must be marked Market place seller, so at least we know it is NOT Amazon, personally I will never buy from them, Amazon will not pay them until they post the order, I have had problems where they have not posted the order but claimed the money, one lied for nearly a month they had posted an expensive item, but could not provide any proof of despatch.
Luckily Amazon refunded the money themselves.
Also they are not applicable to prime delivery, Also I buy a lot for delivery to Spain, which is free P&P on orders over £25, but not through marketplace sellers.
So mark it Marketplace and we can avoid without looking
#22
Don't see why this is expired as the issues aren't solved - there are still deals posted as particular retailers @ Amazon marketplace, which, when clicked on, take you to a different retailer depending on the minute of the day.

Because of this, saying '98% positive feedback is a place to start' doesn't really work unless Amazon exclude retailers below that threshold from their rotation; they don't, so even if the original retailer of the deal had good feedback there is no guarantee the chosen retailer when a person click on a link will have...
[admin]#23
I think those points are good. It's deceiving if it says "eBay" or "Amazon" but really it's just someone using the platform. The best is probably to use the name of the store (whatever they trade under) and second best is to say "eBay marketplace" or "Amazon marketplace"? I like the former as a good store should be able to build their reputation even if they are using the Amazon platform.
#24
Admin
I think those points are good. It's deceiving if it says "eBay" or "Amazon" but really it's just someone using the platform. The best is probably to use the name of the store (whatever they trade under) and second best is to say "eBay marketplace" or "Amazon marketplace"? I like the former as a good store should be able to build their reputation even if they are using the Amazon platform.


I agree its good to have the store name, and I also think Amazon marketplace should be in the title (admittedly it makes the title a bit long). Still a bit of a risk though that the direct link may go to a number of different merchants for certain items; not a problem if you know to look out for it, but it is feasible to have a situation where a product is listed and many comments say things like "good seller, never had a problem" whilst the link takes the buyer to a different, perhaps not so reliable, seller...

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