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#1
It did seem a little odd to defend the practice by saying "that's how it's always been" (paraphrasing).
I can understand that a deal from Amazon can still be lower than the next highest price INCLUDING the P&P but surely ALL retailers/E-tailers should be playing on an even field?!?

(I did suggest that low priced/small items be marked in the title as "Amazon filler" to be used to get the price up to the free delivery bar & this has been used a few times by a few people)
#2
Seems reasonable not to have postage costs, the 15 pound is a low limit (unlike say Ebuyer which is 50) - many items are over 15 pounds which means no shipping cost and for those that are under, it's quite common for people to add items together to take it over the 15 pound mark.

I'd also say people are very familiar with Amazon, more so than many other merchants and will have a reasonable idea of postage.

John
banned#3
peope maybe familiar with alot of merchants ways, but that is not the point really, you are advertising one item at a price and that item cannot be had for that price, all the time you see mods adding and informing members to add postage costs to their items, yet not for amazon :? Alot of companys do free postage for small amounts not just amazon

C32, yes i agree, if it comes under the minimum spend for free postage then it should clearly state it in the title
1 Like #4
Johnmcl7
Seems reasonable not to have postage costs, the 15 pound is a low limit (unlike say Ebuyer which is 50) - many items are over 15 pounds which means no shipping cost and for those that are under, it's quite common for people to add items together to take it over the 15 pound mark.


Ebuyer is one example, M&M sports that I've used plenty frequently has a £60 or 75 min as another, but at the other end of the scale are other e-tailers that have a £20-30 minimum, so why is Amazon exempt?
As the vast majority of "low end' entertainment e-tailers, Play, HMV, etc offer FREE delivery irrespective of the order size surely ALL P&P charges should be made clear in the title?!?

I am aware that Edi explained how to gain free delivery in the OP.
banned#5
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO


I am aware that Edi explained how to gain free delivery in the OP.

yes after ide got all excited about the bargain, then found out i had to spend almost another £10 to get it at that price otherwise it was £8-43 delivered as i didnt realise amazon posts are exempt of the "state includng delivery cost" rule

and thats just one example, the scales i was going to post (that edi now has) is over doubled when postage is added
#6
[SIZE=2]There is a direct link to Amazon Deals:-[/SIZE]
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I wonder why?
#7
dinosteveus
[SIZE=2]There is a direct link to Amazon Deals:-[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]DEALS[/SIZE] | [SIZE=1]FORUM[/SIZE] | [SIZE=1]VOUCHERS[/SIZE] | [SIZE=1]DEAL ALERTS[/SIZE] | [SIZE=1]AMAZON DEALS[/SIZE]

I wonder why?


Because it's a tool which Paul created to help members that didn't anywhere else, maybe?? Of course, we wouldn't have a Play.com, CD-Wow or Argos search because they've all been done elsewhere... it'd be pretty pointless.

Just a possibility of course, Steve.
#8
duckmagicuk2
Because it's a tool which Paul created to help members that didn't anywhere else, maybe?? Of course, we wouldn't have a Play.com, CD-Wow or Argos search because they've all been done elsewhere... it'd be pretty pointless.

Just a possibility of course, Steve.

I didn't even see it until Paul mentioned it early this Year :giggle:
In fact, I've never clicked on any of the links above. I'll be back with some comments.:p



edit,
Amazon link is naff, too selective, Deal alerts is that RSS thingy that I can't get the hang of, Vouchers is very useful, Forum is the only one I've used and Deals is handy but I'd never use.
[admin]#9
Ok here's what I think the best policy is for Amazon deals:

If it's a normal item under £15 and p&p applies then yes that p&p cost should be listed as normal although a comment about getting a filler item and thus shipping free for the same overall cost is recommended.

If it's a really cheap item and meant as an item to top-up for free shipping then it can be listed without p&p as long as it's listing is as a cheap topup item.

I think that makes sense?
#10
Good good. It's a nice little tool sometimes, especially when you sort by price and find things priced at a penny lol.

Not quite sure why Amazon was chosen, as I say... it was just something that no other website provided and Paul presumably thought it was a nice thing to try.
#11
Id never looked at the link before and I guess Im actually a little off topic BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THE AMOUNT YOU SAVE IF YOU BUY Daniel O'Donnel - The Irish Album!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWZZZZAAAAAAHHHHHH


The Irish Album
Daniel O'Donnell
List Price: £840.99
Amazon Price: £9.48
You Save: £831.51 (99%) - should this be a HOT DEAL??????
#12
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Ebuyer is one example, M&M sports that I've used plenty frequently has a £60 or 75 min as another, but at the other end of the scale are other e-tailers that have a £20-30 minimum, so why is Amazon exempt?
As the vast majority of "low end' entertainment e-tailers, Play, HMV, etc offer FREE delivery irrespective of the order size surely ALL P&P charges should be made clear in the title?!?

I am aware that Edi explained how to gain free delivery in the OP.


The answer is in the second part of my post which you didn't quote oddly enough.

John
#13
Johnmcl7
The answer is in the second part of my post which you didn't quote oddly enough.

I didn't quote the 2nd part of your post because my post was in response to the first section.
With regard to the second section,
I'd also say people are very familiar with Amazon, more so than many other merchants and will have a reasonable idea of postage.

I don't feel this is a valid reason for not including P&P due to the fact you "assume" that people are familiar with Amazon's P&P charges & yet these vary between items & dispatch options. There are countless people using this site that require spoonfeeding over what I personally feel are 'obvious' things/queries so I don't feel this 'familiarity' with Amazon justifies the omission of P&P charges.

Paul/Admin's response I think acknowleges that the P&P should be included although it doesn't say if this HAS to be shown in the title as I would usually do if posting.....
banned#14
Admin
Ok here's what I think the best policy is for Amazon deals:

If it's a normal item under £15 and p&p applies then yes that p&p cost should be listed as normal although a comment about getting a filler item and thus shipping free for the same overall cost is recommended.

If it's a really cheap item and meant as an item to top-up for free shipping then it can be listed without p&p as long as it's listing is as a cheap topup item.

I think that makes sense?

Not really sure what is classed as a normal item really, as i dont think anyone is gonna be posting an item that is at normal price. :?
1 Like #15
sassie
Not really sure what is classed as a normal item really, as i dont think anyone is gonna be posting an item that is at normal price. :?

Just stalked your old posts to find out what the fuss is all about and I agree, something costing £6/£7 is hardly a 'filler' item for a £15 spend. That's nearly half the value of the order ffs.
banned#16
filler item or not why cant it be in the title, at least then we know we have to spend more to get it for that price or pay P&P, same as all other merchants deals, the scales may be £3 but add postage they are over £8 so yeah great if you need a £3 item to top up your order, but not so great if you just want a £3 pair of scales
[admin]#17
Who said it shouldn't be in the title? Post it in the title. Pick your fights sassie otherwise it gets to easy to tune out.
banned 1 Like #18
Admin
Who said it shouldn't be in the title? Post it in the title. Pick your fights sassie otherwise it gets to easy to tune out.

edi :roll:

P.s gave up fighting in the playground when i left infants school, if you really dont want comments, suggestions and critism then maybe dont bother with the board
#19
Admin
Who said it shouldn't be in the title? Post it in the title. Pick your fights sassie otherwise it gets to easy to tune out.

Confusion MAY have arisen as different people had been talking about the OP's & the titles. I read your post & didn't see a catagoric statement that from now on you would be asking for/wanted P&P charges to be included in the TITLE & not just included in the OP(although it does say that it should be listed as normal which would generally include P&P in the title if applicable I guess?) & maybe it's the content of my post that Sassie's commenting on?
[helper]#20
Admin
Ok here's what I think the best policy is for Amazon deals:

If it's a normal item under £15 and p&p applies then yes that p&p cost should be listed as normal although a comment about getting a filler item and thus shipping free for the same overall cost is recommended.

If it's a really cheap item and meant as an item to top-up for free shipping then it can be listed without p&p as long as it's listing is as a cheap topup item.

I think that makes sense?


Only problem with this is when is an item regarded as a cheap filler? £5 or £6 or £7 or less? Lets say you draw the line at £3 - what if the item is £3.10? That would have to be listed with postage costs. I just think this would be confusing.

Be easier to say all Amazon deals include postage in the title but can also give the before postage costs ie Remote Control Car Amazon £3 (plus £5 postage)......
banned 1 Like #21
Dont worry about it C32, from admins post im obviously seen as a rouble maker, from now on i shall just take from this site and enjoy the company of friends i have made here, whenever i have reported anything or had to pm a mod that maybe has missed something i have always had a polite thankful pm back, and have always felt i helped out a little and maybe stoppped just one member being ripped off etc, etc, but from now on i shall do as others have done and not bother, off to wash me hair now ;-)
#22
Would it not be easier to do the title as " Item from Amazon - Price - + Postage.
They maybe a lil sentence in the post saying uf you spend £15 - or whatever it is you get free delievery?
[admin]#23
P.s gave up fighting in the playground when i left infants school, if you really dont want comments, suggestions and critism then maybe dont bother with the board


I just meant squeeky wheel gets the grease... but if it gets some grease and keeps squeeking then it soon becomes background noise.
#24
:? :? :? :? :?
[admin]#25
Confusion MAY have arisen as different people had been talking about the OP's & the titles. I read your post & didn't see a catagoric statement that from now on you would be asking for/wanted P&P charges to be included in the TITLE & not just included in the OP(although it does say that it should be listed as normal which would generally include P&P in the title if applicable I guess?) & maybe it's the content of my post that Sassie's commenting on?


I wrote that p&p should be "listed as normal". Personally I don't think that means it has to be listed in the title but that the p&p should be considered to be part of the final price listed. I didn't say the p&p couldn't be listed separately in the title and if someone wants to list it separately with a sum final that's up to them just as it is on any other deal.

Hopefully that's clear now. What makes a filler item I don't know but I think the logical amount is the max price or less of Amazon shipping (so if you are that close you might as well buy the item and get free shipping).

The main point is that if the final price should be the final price but that it is useful to mention that spending £x on a filler item will get you that item (or shippign) for "free".
#26
Admin
What makes a filler item I don't know but I think the logical amount is the max price or less of Amazon shipping (so if you are that close you might as well buy the item and get free shipping).

Spot on:thumbsup:
#27
Check this out, someone who has only posted a handfull of deals got it spot on. :roll:
[COLOR=red] [/COLOR][COLOR=#94954f][COLOR=red]Logitech Traveller Bluetooth Headset @ £8.22 Delivered[/COLOR] [/COLOR]
[admin]#28
boydent999 - I'm saying whether someone wants to write "item £10" or "item £8 + £2 shipping" or "item £10 (inc £2 shipping)" is up to them. The first option is probably simplest though.
#29
i never bother about the postage costs - just order more than £15

and if you dont want to spend that much - you dont have to, just buy the item you want, add a preorder item not out for a few months or whatever, then once your item is sent cancel the order = no postage.

of course this only works if you are buying at least one item from amazon jersey, as they send everything seperate.
#30
dinosteveus
Check this out, someone who has only posted a handfull of deals got it spot on. :roll:
[COLOR=red] [/COLOR][COLOR=#94954f][COLOR=red]Logitech Traveller Bluetooth Headset @ £8.22 Delivered[/COLOR] [/COLOR]

Not sure wheter you're taking the P or not lol. Would certainly have been better if the ex postage price had been included in either the title or the OP (preferably both) as well imho:thumbsup:
#31
Shengis
Not sure wheter you're taking the P or not lol. Would certainly have been better if the ex postage price had been included in either the title or the OP (preferably both) as well imho:thumbsup:

NO I WAS NOT TAKING THE PI$$. :x
I just think if a newbie can include the P&P then there is no reason why everybody can't do it for Amazon deals below £15
#32
dinosteveus
NO I WAS NOT TAKING THE PI$$. :x
I just think if a newbie can include the P&P then there is no reason why everybody can't do it for Amazon deals below £15

Ease up Steve...think Shenni was just pointing out that he'd rather have a clear breakdown ie. "X is £5 @ Amazon" & then either "= £8 delivered" or "plus £3 postage"....
#33
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Ease up Steve...think Shenni was just pointing out that he'd rather have a clear breakdown ie. "X is £5 @ Amazon" & then either "= £8 delivered" or "plus £3 postage"....

Ooooooops :oops:
Fair point about the breakdown I 'spose.:roll:
#34
Dino, you can never be sure on here mate;-)

But as Charlie said :

Piece of **** £5 @ Amazon (£6.24 inc.)

As an example...

That way the ex p&p price would attract people looking for fillers, and the inc price is good for everybody else who just wants to spend and spend...
#35
Shengis
Dino, you can never be sure on here mate;-)

But as Charlie said :

Piece of **** £5 @ Amazon (£6.24 inc.)

As an example...


I agree :-(
Your example makes it clear, but what is **** ?:? :giggle: :giggle:
#36
dinosteveus
I agree :-(
Your example makes it clear, but what is **** ?:? :giggle: :giggle:

What do Amazon sell that would've fallen foul of the swear filter??!?
#37
dinosteveus
but what is **** ?:? :giggle: :giggle:

The majority of Amazons stock:giggle:

Another niggle is people who don't include ANY pricing info in the title. I rarely look at the front page, preferring to scan the forum for new posts. I know you can get the price by hovering the mouse over the title but it's still an annoyance:thinking:
#38
At very least can it not be made a rule that even for very cheap filler item price is listed in title as "Item XXX at Amazon, £8 + del".

Don't think the value of the item matters at all, if its something that costs £3 at Amazon but is, for example, available elsewhere for £3.65 delivered, is the deal Amazon definately the best? Clearly not. But if they were posted as "XXX DVD £3 @ Amazon" and "XXX DVD £3.65 @ Other retailer" you can guarantee the former would garner more interest. If the rule isn't the same for all retailers you will, perhaps unwittingly, cause an unfair bias towards Amazon...
#39
Admin
Who said it shouldn't be in the title? Post it in the title. Pick your fights sassie otherwise it gets to easy to tune out.


Is there any need for this agression?...especially from Admin
banned#40
iglimpse
Is there any need for this agression?...especially from Admin

you cant say that about admin hes like a god!

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