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#1
like the r4 and stuff?
banned#2
i saw the one being suspended for asking for it to be loaded with the software (Moonshell or whatever its called) and wondered why
#3
I was under the impression that 'modified' consoles or equipment to modify consoles was not allowed?
#4
yeh and then dudeygeezer got suspended too ? The most recent was ibronx
banned#6
MarzBarz
yeh and then dudeygeezer got suspended too ? The most recent was ibronx


yes ibronxis the one i referred to, this really need to be in feedback for an answer from the team
#7
"No illegal trading of prohibited, classified, fake/counterfeit goods. This includes copyrighted materials and media."

You could argue that mp3's should not be sold on here, as they are capable of playing ilegal downloads....
banned#8
so we are allowed tosell the cartridge but not tell the buyer where to get the software from
[admin]#9
I've moved this to Feedback for now
#10
I think you are allowed to sell the R4 as long as it doesn't have .nds files loaded on it
banned#11
lyzzys321
I think you are allowed to sell the R4 as long as it doesn't have .nds files loaded on it


it seems not


No update in the rules towards this, although last edited by rayman on the 11/08/08 but dont know what has been added or removed as there is no update in the rules thread for this, so dont know what has happend
#12
I think maybe it's got's confusing because the "software" that's being asked to be on the card may actually be the Kernal files which make the R4 run & they are not illegal as they are required for homebrew which is totally legal.

However NDS games are illegal & therefore anyone advertising that they have those files on it or require it will be illegal.

Someone who is new to the R4 may be asking for the software ie the Kernal files & not the NDS files but it may be that it's interpreted that they are requesting the NDS files which is why they are being suspended.
banned#13
so you should be able to sell your nds cart with originaly packaing ect that you got

so i see no probem if your selling a cart that comes with adapter and the homebrew cd as its part of the original box ect but nds file ect is not allowed
#14
i think the mods are confused lol
banned#15
buying a cart is not illegal it only be comes ilegal when you start adding nds roms on to it
#16
lyzzys321
I think you are allowed to sell the R4 as long as it doesn't have .nds files loaded on it


basically that is the rules like you have said, but no where on either of the 2 banned peoples posts do they mention that .nds roms or copyrighted media will be included, just the CD's / files that come with the card that make them work (system files)... but they still got banned...
#17
MarzBarz
basically that is the rules like you have said, but no where on either of the 2 banned peoples posts do they mention that .nds roms or copyrighted media will be included, just the CD's / files that come with the card that make them work (system files)... but they still got banned...


I think one mentioned the words "software loaded on" which could be intrepreted as NDS files but as I said they probably meant the kernal files required for the R4 to work
banned#18
these card have been sold on here for months, i dont think there is any confusion between what the mods are doing, they know the difference between the software and the roms
#19
sassie
these card have been sold on here for months, i dont think there is any confusion between what the mods are doing, they know the difference between the software and the roms


Good point, and eloquently made :thumbsup:

Nice avatar. Did I tell you that already ? :oops:
#20
yeh so why are they suspending people lol they are confused
banned#21
MarzBarz
yeh so why are they suspending people lol they are confused


i will have to pass on that one, but hang in there for a while-ish and you may find out:thumbsup:
#22
hmmm yeh thanks for replying though
#23
Also once a mod replies dont lock the thread saying my question has been answered because i may want to reply to your answer.
#24
I think the problem maybe that because its been in the media about Nintendo's legal action they are being a little careful. The problem seems once again that you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

This made me laugh as its full of rubbish. I see that they do lots of investigation for there articles.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/article4484224.ece
banned#25
well what about the threads asking where to buy, the saints thread how to do what needs doing etc,etc
#26
Exactly maybe the mods have something against the suspended members already.
#27
MarzBarz
Exactly maybe the mods have something against the suspended members already.


Yes they're convicted felons!:-D
banned#28
What is the point of a feedback section, if the points being made are not being answered or clarified?

I'd seen mention previously that "Dudleygeezer" had been suspended for selling something illegal. Having now read the thread mentioned here, its pretty obvious he did no such thing. He even makes it clear that the only media being supplied is the original CD that came with the device, which is effectively just the driver. The item itself has been posted numerous times direct from the supplier in the deals section.

So why is it this thread exists if there is a problem? (And for the record, I see no problem with the thread itself.)

It seems pretty obvious its been a missunderstanding. Is it really that difficult to admit a mistake? And if it wasn't a mistake, will there be similar suspensions for threads about the NDS?
#29
I think they now know they made a mistake but dont wana own up 2 it.
#30
GAVINLEWISHUKD;2761379
I think the problem maybe that because its been in the media about Nintendo's legal action they are being a little careful. The problem seems once again that you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

This made me laugh as its full of rubbish. I see that they do lots of investigation for there articles.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/article4484224.ece


Sorry everyone for the late reply from us and to ibrox_hunk whose thread was closed with infraction given.

With the information from the above link and thanks GAVINLEWISHUKD for that, it does appear at this moment in time it's okay to list these for sale or as wanted items.

So apologies to anyone affected by the delay in answering and if it caused you to receive any infractions, which will be removed right now or as soon as possible.
#31
Of course if anyone lists a card and offers games with them, it will be seen as illegal or copied media and removed.
#32
nobody listen copied media with them though? where was it listed?
banned#33
rayman
Sorry everyone for the late reply from us and to ibrox_hunk whose thread was closed with infraction given.

With the information from the above link and thanks GAVINLEWISHUKD for that, it does appear at this moment in time it's okay to list these for sale or as wanted items.

So apologies to anyone affected by the delay in answering and if it caused you to receive any infractions, which will be removed right now or as soon as possible.


Thanks for the response Rayman.

So was the dudleygeezer listing and suspension also a mistake?

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/227648/fs-ft-supercard-ds-one-sdhc-like-r4
#34
I heard that DudeyGeeza actually reported his own thread as he added the Rumble, internet and GBA games to the wrong listing and wanted it moved to his EZFlash thread as that is the features of the EZFlash. But
reporting his own thread got him banned lmao.
#35
guv;2764423
Thanks for the response Rayman.

So was the dudleygeezer listing and suspension also a mistake?

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/227648/fs-ft-supercard-ds-one-sdhc-like-r4
As answered below, illegal or copied medai was being offered in that thread, so the suspension stands.

MarzBarz;2764450
I heard that DudeyGeeza actually reported his own thread as he added the Rumble, internet and GBA games to the wrong listing and wanted it moved to his EZFlash thread as that is the features of the EZFlash. But
reporting his own thread got him banned lmao.
Regardless of who reported it it, copied media being offered has always been a no no and long standing members should know this.
#36
rayman
Sorry everyone for the late reply from us and to ibrox_hunk whose thread was closed with infraction given.

With the information from the above link and thanks GAVINLEWISHUKD for that, it does appear at this moment in time it's okay to list these for sale or as wanted items.

So apologies to anyone affected by the delay in answering and if it caused you to receive any infractions, which will be removed right now or as soon as possible.


Thanks for the reply, just be clear then.... it is ok for the Kernal files for the R4 cards to run to be included in any sale or request but not for games to be included is this correct?
#37
Look rayman NO PIRACY SOFTWARE WAS INCLUDED. Ive had to say this about 100 times now. Seriously nothing is illegal in dudeygeezers thread.

He listed the features of the ezflash thats all.

Just to repeat this so you understand clearly the ezflash justs adds support for all those FEATURES to the DS not that any GBA games were included in anyway, people with one can put gba games on it just like they can put DS games on an R4 or similar.
banned#38
MarzBarz
Look rayman NO PIRACY SOFTWARE WAS INCLUDED. Ive had to say this about 100 times now. Seriously nothing is illegal in dudeygeezers thread.

He listed the features of the ezflash thats all.

Just to repeat this so you understand clearly the ezflash justs adds support for all those FEATURES to the DS not that any GBA games were included in anyway, people with one can put gba games on it just like they can put DS games on an R4 or similar.


Yeh I can see its a missunderstanding as well, unless posts were deleted, which of course could be the case. If nothing has been removed though, then he has actually posted inside the now clarified rules.
#39
na nufin was deleted
#40
It's not illegal to sell the cartridge with system software (Moonshell, PDADS, etc). Anyone, dudeygeeza included, selling an R4 or EZFlash cart with system software inc. is not selling pirated software. Hell, amazon even sell this stuff!
The fact that it is capable of playing nds files, and dudey stated as much, is irrelevent. It's like me selling a PC and stating that porn can be viewed on it's massive TFT screen lol It is down to the buyer what he chooses to do with it, not the seller. Just an opinion.

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