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banned#1
Agreed, there is a need to know. We'll attempt to re-instate this info asap.
#2
can u tell us why as well....haha.....have a shame list!
banned#3
great idea..

I think like our local paper there is a court results section, there could be something like that one here so that there is a clear transparency for those who are buying and selling of who is being naughty
banned#4
glad to see its not how its always going to be, very confusing for people who are in the middle of trades and getting no response, one will then assume they have been scammed etc,etc and i still think aloas account should be linked to the unbanned account along with all feedback, if you cannot do this then their should be a thread locked and updated by mods to show this
banned#5
As someone who has been banned twice since the site went live, I can confirm the entire process is bug ridden.

First time I got banned, I got no info on what I did, what post it refered to, how many points I was given, and how long the ban was for.

Not only that but the infraction system didn't auto-remove the ban - I had to ask the mods who did it manually. At this point i 99% sure all my existing infractions were removed because...

Ban number 2 happened, and again no information on post, rule broken, etc etc. I did however get a message on login to say I was banned for 1 day.

inb4 jokes about me being banned forever etc etc yawn. It's heartening to know the infraction system is as bugridden as the rest of this impossible site.

I'm losing patience now. Admin is a joke, you all know my views on that, but even taking that into account i thought it would have been sorted to some extent by now.

I feel sorry for the mods - who aren't actually to blame.
#6
Good news,any timescale for this please
#7
I thought a ban was permanent & a suspension for an amount of time determined by the severity of the misdemeanour.
banned#8
richp
I thought a ban was permanent & a suspension for an amount of time determined by the severity of the misdemeanour.


I call suspensions bans because they are called bans (or temp bans) on other sites i get banhammered for (pretty much all that Im on)

I've also been perm banned from digitalspy more than 15 times.

also when guv says buddies, he means f buddies.
banned#9
boothy
Good news,any timescale for this please


hopefully faster than the rest of the stuff, as well as feedback, its prime taking on the fs boards for scammers at present, the site all in is a mess but when you have board allowing the exchange of money then you should make sure it is up and running at its best, personally i think the entire board should be locked down till it is running as it should
banned#10
From an administration POV the site is currently unworkable, and if the admin had any morals at all he would have turned FS board off temporarily until the bugs are sorted.

fo.lk is actually a lot more stable than hukd currently.
#11
sassie
boothy
Good news,any timescale for this please


hopefully faster than the rest of the stuff, as well as feedback, its prime taking on the fs boards for scammers at present


This
banned#12
vibeone
From an administration POV the site is currently unworkable, and if the admin had any morals at all he would have turned FS board off temporarily until the bugs are sorted.

fo.lk is actually a lot more stable than hukd currently.



If members follow the trading advice in full, then I can't see any increased risk. There are still some issues outstanding that we are working through to resolve. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long, but users as always should not trade until they personally are 100% satisfied.
banned#13
aScottishBloke



If members follow the trading advice in full, then I can't see any increased risk. There are still some issues outstanding that we are working through to resolve. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long, but users as always should not trade until they personally are 100% satisfied.



pretty shocked by this statement really, getting someone name, address and phone number doesnt stop them being scammed, yes it makes it easier for them to pursue it but doesnt stop being scammed, feedback on the other hand helps, at moment alot of members cannot leave this, so yes this increases it from one member being scammed, to many being scammed, but will leave it there, as i think we never get anywhere when we discuss the fs boards, although after your statement above i dont really see the need for mod intervention anywhere on the fs boards, no need to suspend members or ban then

although i find it strange that a member with 1 negative feedback is banned, why was that then? because they conned a member, because i see lots of members with more than 1 neg

the report button not working half the time, means scammers can remain on the boards for longer, and yes we could spam, but most are clued up enough to expire, but like you say if those members cannot follow the guidelines then thats their risk, something hukd is obviously proud to promote
banned#14
There should be nothing shocking about assuming self responsibility for decisions taken to trade. There have been issues in leaving feedback (it's only one of the measures a member should review when deciding to trade). I personally look back on previous threads/comments, members should do the same.

I don't know the member you refer to, however if there's a clear case of scamming involved, then we will act. However it's not always as clear cut as some may think, in the end it may boil down to difference of opinion, which is another matter indeed.

You know that feedback is a personal view, having a negative might just mean you're unlucky crossing paths with a rather fussy member.

I've said that the status will be applied soon, it's on the list. I can't give any timescale personally, however it should have no bearing on a members decision to trade.

banned#15
i would do anything to help anyone who has been scammed no matter how naive they have been, and will always look out for people on the fs boards, i just dnt think saying what you said cuts it, yes people should check this, that and auntie gertrudes underpants, but they dont and washing it over with the statement "members should take reponsibilty" or "if members followed guidleines" sorta says tough crap to me
banned#16
You're not understanding my point, or turning it into a 'we don't care attitude', which is pretty much belittling the resources dedicated towards making this a safer free environment for members to trade.

You know that's not my approach re don't care, nor is it that of the sites. It's pretty disingenuous to suggest otherwise. All I'm trying to reiterate is the fact that members must take responsibility for their trades. We will, as always, monitor and action as much as we can, with the bulk of our 'reports' coming from concerned members like yourself. We do appreciate the spirit given by members acting in that manner.
banned#17
ASB, look at it this way... if the mods are not needed in FS, why are you there?

Next, since mods are needed even if people stick to the rules, can you honestly say the mods are at 100% of their usefulness with the current tools available to you?

The mods and admin are doing a steve jobs on us with his reality distortion field, but the fact is the site is a complete mess on loads of different systems - and in my view it might be good enough for deals and misc, but maybe fs users should be pointed to fo.lk for the time being.
#18
There isnt really ever going to be a foolproof site re scammers when honest folk are buying.

Twice I have purchased more expensive items from here.....one being a camcorder, and the other an UGG handbag, and I asked both of them to email me a pic of them holding their passports and something showing their address!!!!! Yeah perhaps a bit OTT but if the seller is honest then they do understand buyers reservations.

In saying all of that - the only time I had any problems was for a sale of less than £20 - but I contacted police as others also initially lost out - and as I had all her contact details (inc verification on her home phone number due to calling her) it was all very easy.................refund given.
#19
sassie
i would do anything to help anyone who has been scammed no matter how naive they have been, and will always look out for people on the fs boards, i just dnt think saying what you said cuts it, yes people should check this, that and auntie gertrudes underpants, but they dont and washing it over with the statement "members should take reponsibilty" or "if members followed guidleines" sorta says tough crap to me


In a way Sassie - it is "tough crap" if they didnt follow the rules. Even if the rules werent in place surely common sense kicks in ............Am going to send money to someone I dont know - I have never met them - so make sure I get the basic of details and check them out ie. HOME telephone number (I never ever buy from someone who only gives me a mobile number)......and for more expensive items at least get a picture of them holding their passport............or bus pass!!!!!
#20
Twice I have purchased more expensive items from here.....one being a camcorder, and the other an UGG handbag, and I asked both of them to email me a pic of them holding their passports and something showing their address!!!!! Yeah perhaps a bit OTT but if the seller is honest then they do understand buyers reservations.


That doesn't really stop them scamming you. I'd ask for payment on receipt of item
#21
whilst we're talking about the fs/ft trade forum when/if the edit function is ever fixed will there be a time stamp visible on the thread to show when a post has been edited?

Whilst it's not much of a problem the now as most of the time you can't actually edit posts I'd imagine not having a visible time would cause all sorts of grief.
1 Like #22
I think Banned or Suspended members should have their avvy changed to the below:

http://atlas.cooltext.com/rendered/cooltext464802389.png

http://aphrodite.cooltext.com/rendered/cooltext464802536.png
banned#23
I hope to god you dont think those are good?
#24
vibeone
I hope to god you dont think those are good?


Not at all...got them from cooltext.com, but tried with a fiery/flamey/hot theme.
At least you can't miss 'em!
#25
I got suspended twice in two minutes, once for apparantly having a multi (which im completely clueless about), and another for apparantly insulting somewhere (this is more probably, but i don't remember really posting much lately.

I've tried 'Contact Us' and PM'ing the responsible mod, but im getting no where.
banned#26
matt3454
I got suspended twice in two minutes, once for apparantly having a multi (which im completely clueless about), and another for apparantly insulting somewhere (this is more probably, but i don't remember really posting much lately.

I've tried 'Contact Us' and PM'ing the responsible mod, but im getting no where.


You're being disingenuous. I answered your PM upon receipt at 2.30am, but really I'm not always able to answer PM's so fast at 4.50am.

Regardless, use the Contact Us facilitly, however please do give some consideration into the fact that you have a multi or can appreciate why we may have come to that conclusion.
banned#27
INB4 matt3454 moans about something and gets proved wrong again.
#28
vibeone
INB4 matt3454 moans about something and gets proved wrong again.


inb4 you make a useful comment ....oh wait.

The problem with this ban for multi is that I haven't created one in well over a year. The last one I created was to replace this username (matt3454 is a pretty shoddy name to be fair), but this new one is nothing to do with me,

Also, I tried 'Contact Us', but got no response.
#29
matt3454
vibeone
INB4 matt3454 moans about something and gets proved wrong again.
inb4 you make a useful comment ....oh wait.The problem with this ban for multi is that I haven't created one in well over a year. The last one I created was to replace this username (matt3454 is a pretty shoddy name to be fair), but this new one is nothing to do with me,Also, I tried 'Contact Us', but got no response.

I have also been banned mistakenly for multi-accounts. My supposedly other account was my flatmates.
I tried the 'Contact Us' several times with no respose, and had to wait before the suspension was lifted so i could contact them directly to get my infraction points removed.
#30
I still don't know why I got banned for having a multi (when i didn't), and still don't know why i got a 3 day infraction for insulting someone (don't remember doing that). Still haven't heard a peep from the contact us thing.
banned#31
Yes, but also corrected our system glitch.
#32
Well that's clear!!
banned#33
in B4 members copy image and use it for game play

On a more serious not its good to see, and hopefully soon to follow will be something on multiples, restrictions, etc,etc
banned#34
sassie
in B4 members copy image and use it for game play


What?

Something big is coming...
banned#35
I'm guessing the avi change above actually wasn't a joke?
banned#36
guv
I'm guessing the avi change above actually wasn't a joke?


huh?
#37
surely this is just gonna lead to people user the "banned" avatars as their normal avatars so we wont actually know if someone is truly banned/suspended.

Is it going to be put in their main profile? Or maybe have a line through their badges or something, that way no one can edit their avatar to look suspended you would know by someones badges. Red for suspended black for banned, or something to that effect?
banned#38
sassie
in B4 members copy image and use it for game play


damn you were in B4
banned#39
well i suppose it just goes to show why feedback is a waste of time these days, we push for things to help members have a better trading experience and then this happens, complete waste, or maybe give those that like those avatars permanent ones
banned 1 Like #40
sassie
or maybe give those that like those avatars permanent ones


You're so mean sassie, I thought you were nice. No longer shall I be your friend!

I only done it to point out their flaws, then I came across this thread and laughed.

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