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#1
[URL="Call for Stricter ruling around New member or first member posting."]Link here[/URL]
banned#2
adam apart from wiping members butts what else do you want, that thread is a prime example of how stupid some can be and why they get ripped off, the rules are pretty sound, the guidelines are pretty sound, but there are some who you just cant help no matter what yopu add to the rules
#3
far as I can see from that thread,he had all the hallmarks of a scammer,wouldnt post first to high feedback members etc. How is it the mods responsibility if people cant follow simple guidelines??
#4
Fully admire and support your sentiments Adam but we have been down this road so many times before when we have had a wave of scams like recently.

All options have been discussed many times,but there will always be a factor of risk involved,I dont know realistically could be done that would be practical also.

It really is buyer beware at the moment,such a shame more and more scammers are trying it on here as the FS boards are busier then ever

another example ongoing as we speak
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/452226/32gb-ipod-touch-2nd-gen/showthread.php?p=5906603&posted=1#post5906603
#5
I haven't been scammed on here once and have done 100+ deals, the worst I had was I agreed to buy something and requested the seller send first. He agreed and the item never arrived.

If anyone is worried about a sale they should not use paypal gift / BT or other non reversible payment methods. Paypal + fees on cash on collection only. That way they're greatly reducing the chance of losing their money.
#6
RedIron
I haven't been scammed on here once and have done 100+ deals, the worst I had was I agreed to buy something and requested the seller send first. He agreed and the item never arrived.

If anyone is worried about a sale they should not use paypal gift / BT or other non reversible payment methods. Paypal + fees on cash on collection only. That way they're greatly reducing the chance of losing their money.


To be honest if someone was worried about a sale I would say avoid all together, unless cash, pp protection is very limited off ebay and chances are a scammer will have false details and empty the account before having the chance to dispute.
So although it's better than nothing I would say in the case of a scam it would not greatly reduce their chance of loosing their money, best to avoid if in doubt, if that makes sense:)
#7
Seems 4 users lost money because the rules in place failed because they abided by them and used words to get away with it.


So they followed all the rules and guidelines and lost money?
#8
thesaint
So they followed all the rules and guidelines and lost money?


correct:?
banned#9
Seems 4 users lost money because the rules in place failed because they abided by them and used words to get away with it.


Assuming he is a scammer (and it seems likely) then if it were me who had lost money I would be ringing him at 3/4am every morning on his landline for a couple of weeks. If that didn't get my money back, police/small claims.
Shouldn't be too hard with name/address/telephone number surely?

I don't really see what you want the board to do, theres only a couple of almost foolproof ways to get round the problem that I can think of, and that would result in a drastically reduced amount of new members.
banned#10
sassie;5906407
adam apart from wiping members butts what else do you want, that thread is a prime example of how stupid some can be and why they get ripped off, the rules are pretty sound, the guidelines are pretty sound, but there are some who you just cant help no matter what yopu add to the rules

+1 :thumbsup:
#11
They could but again my I ain't explaining myself properly.

It would involve a few programming changes. But basically admins would authrise each listening when certain paramaters are met or not met, nothing to do with the end user.

It was unfortunate that the admins were either away or not online at the time that one happened. As I personally reported it straight after he ignored me which was the usual suspect for me. But if he wasn't able to post becuase an admin had to authorise his post then it would never of happened.

Surely thats nothing to do with baby sitting just helping, it may not be possible with the current system in place but it would be programable.

Anyway just a thought and it probably has been flagged back and fourth and its not down to the admins its down to the makers of the website and whether its cost effective.
#12
It might be cost effective if HUKD charged listing fees & commission, to be honest though that thread falls into the catergory of 'too good to be true' and sadly scammers will always find somebody willing to take a chance if they price something low enough.
#13
Flodd
It might be cost effective if HUKD charged listing fees & commission, to be honest though that thread falls into the catergory of 'too good to be true' and sadly scammers will always find somebody willing to take a chance if they price something low enough.


TBH if they were going to start doing that, I think the FS/T would die a death, half the appeal I reckon is becasue it's free and you get some crazy deals.
For smaller items it would not cost much more to ebay them and larger ones would cost a bit but with a hell of a lot more comprehensive protection. If fees+commission were introduced.
Ebay is a much higher traffic site and because of this things tend to go for a lot higher value, plus you have quite comprehansive cover now.
People are put off by fees, I think if fees and comission were to be applied here, people will want higher prices so will end up needing to go elsewhere if that makes sense.
#14
Adam2050


It was unfortunate that the admins were either away or not online at the time that one happened. As I personally reported it straight after he ignored me which was the usual suspect for me. But if he wasn't able to post becuase an admin had to authorise his post then it would never of happened.



If you are certain that someone is scamming, report the thread and then spam it.
Also write in the thread that you have spammed it, and the reason why.
#15
thesaint
If you are certain that someone is scamming, report the thread and then spam it.
Also write in the thread that you have spammed it, and the reason why.


Saint did the first bit. I don't think admins were around they don't spend there life glued to the machine like the rest of us. :-D

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