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#1
Possibly this bit:

"Wipeout(Stored on memory card)"

I assume you weren't selling the original whatever it came on, which isn't allowed.
#2
duckmagicuk2
Possibly this bit:

"Wipeout(Stored on memory card)"

I assume you weren't selling the original whatever it came on, which isn't allowed.


Maybe the mod who banned me should do their homework before they start handing out bans:x
http://store.playstation.com/store/index.vm#category/PN.PC.GB-PN.PC.GAME.GB-SC00000000000006/PN.PC.GB-PN.PC.GAME.GB-TAB3
this is a legitimate game downloaded from the PLAYSTATION STORE, All they had to do was ask before I was kick off and with no way to sign back onto the site to explain this until today, Do mods get banned for making bad calls??;-)
#3
SPAMDOG;1762119
Do mods get banned for making bad calls??;-)
:giggle:
#4
SPAMDOG;1762119
Maybe the mod who banned me should do their homework before they start handing out bans:x
http://store.playstation.com/store/index.vm#category/PN.PC.GB-PN.PC.GAME.GB-SC00000000000006/PN.PC.GB-PN.PC.GAME.GB-TAB3
this is a legitimate game downloaded from the PLAYSTATION STORE, All they had to do was ask before I was kick off and with no way to sign back onto the site to explain this until today, Do mods get banned for making bad calls??;-)


Even if you are banned, you can still use the "contact us" link to email admin if you wish to dispute a ban.
#5
Mods Dont Answer To Anyone And Its A Privalige You Or Anyone Is On Here Not A God Given Right Mistakes Happen More Detail Would Have Helped But If A Mod Saw Dissalowed Content So Did We And Thats A Ban
DONT BE DISHEARTEND JUST GET ON WITH IT
#6
raptorcigs
Mods Dont Answer To Anyone And Its A Privalige You Or Anyone Is On Here Not A God Given Right Mistakes Happen More Detail Would Have Helped But If A Mod Saw Dissalowed Content So Did We And Thats A Ban
DONT BE DISHEARTEND JUST GET ON WITH IT

Whoaw, stop capitalising the first letter of every word.
#7
raptorcigs
Mods Dont Answer To Anyone And Its A Privalige You Or Anyone Is On Here Not A God Given Right Mistakes Happen More Detail Would Have Helped But If A Mod Saw Dissalowed Content So Did We And Thats A Ban
DONT BE DISHEARTEND JUST GET ON WITH IT

All they had to do was expire the post, Ask me about the item that they thought was illegal(which isn't) and then reopened the post once they were satisfied rather than goto extreme measures and impose a ban straight away.
#8
HenvY
Whoaw, stop capitalising the first letter of every word.


OK I will
#9
SPAMDOG
All they had to do was expire the post, Ask me about the item that they thought was illegal(which isn't) and then reopened the post once they were satisfied rather than goto extreme measures and impose a ban straight away.


look how many are online could you pm them all who make a mistake?
2 Likes #10
Sorry you don't agree with my decision SPAMDOG. The fact remains you did not have licence to sell the game on.

As already pointed out if you disagreed with the ban you could have used the contact us link with your concerns.
1 Like #11
SPAMDOG
All they had to do was expire the post, Ask me about the item that they thought was illegal(which isn't) and then reopened the post once they were satisfied rather than goto extreme measures and impose a ban straight away.


People here seem to forget that it's a privilege to be allowed to sell here, not a right. 'All the mod had to do was take ages researching what I was doing, then PMing me and waiting around for a response etc, JEEZ'

I think a mistake was made here, but you only got a temp ban, does it really matter all that much? Wouldn't you rather the mods have more time to chase up the real 'bad guys' and take care of the FS/T section so it's a safe place for all...that faff about for hours on every tiny detail, even if that does mean they make the odd mistake?

Once HUKD start charging fees, people have the right to start expecting things imho.
1 Like #12
Actually, col's right in this case. This is taken from the terms and conditions of the Sony download shop which you have linked to above:

Sony Terms and Conditions
7. GENERAL LICENCE

All content and software provided through PSN is licensed non-exclusively to you, your children and children for whom you are legal guardian (collectively "you") solely for your personal, non-commercial use on your PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system or your PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system or any other hardware devices authorised by us, and subject to these Conditions and any relevant Additional Conditions. All intellectual property rights in the content and software provided by or through PSN (collectively defined as "Property"), belong to us and / or our licensors. All use of or access to such Property is subject to these Conditions, any relevant Additional Conditions and all applicable laws.

You must not:

(i) sell, transfer, rent, sublicense, modify, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any portion of the Property (unless permitted by applicable law); or

... etc, etc... click here to read the full terms if you are inclined to do so.
1 Like #13
How many voucher's do we all use Duck on here which we're not supposed to, have no right to use? A lot of voucher's that pop up on here should not, and yet we all use them and the T&C's state that only the intended recipient should use them.......double standard?

What i do love about this thread, is so far, 3 mods have replied, and yet so many folks wait for replies usually......
#14
It's an odd one with downloads. If you have a game, then we're quite happy for you to sell it but obviously with a download it's hard to draw a line... selling an iPod with songs on it because they were downloaded from iTunes, etc...?
#15
duckmagicuk2
Actually, col's right in this case. This is taken from the terms and conditions of the Sony download shop which you have linked to above:


I can admit when i'm wrong but I still dissagree with the way this was handled, A simple email to explain what they thought was wrong with this post would have helped, The post could have been changed it's not as if I put "PSP/fimware rolled back for sale with a disk full of pirated games" it was a genuine mistake, The item could have been deleted from the card even thought I think this is wrong because I had paid for it(how many people delete their music stored on their MP3 players prior to selling them?) But I guess it so easy to click banned rather than expire or to send a email till things are sorted out.
#16
duckmagicuk2
Actually, col's right in this case. This is taken from the terms and conditions of the Sony download shop which you have linked to above:


So does this mean you will be banning the sale of software on the FS/FT forum? :?

The reason I ask is, a lot of software states in it's small print that you are not allowed to re-sell it, because when you buy software, you buy the license to use it, not the software itself.

e.g. From the manual for "Lumines II":

"FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. Unauthorised copying, adaptation, rental, lending, distribution, extraction re-sale, arcade use, [etc. cut for brevity] are prohibited"
#17
Beware of the ban stick
http://www.myextralife.com/wow/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/ban_stick_fem.jpg

Just admit you were wrong rather than quoting the small print of the wipeout terms and conditions. As mentioned already nearly every bit of software etc says not for commercial resale on it.
1 Like #18
Titchimp
Just admit you were wrong rather than quoting the small print of the wipeout terms and conditions. As mentioned already nearly every bit of software etc says not for commercial resale on it.


That would be the point. It was a Mod who quoted the fine print, hence my question!
#19
nightswimmer;1763139
That would be the point. It was a Mod who quoted the fine print, hence my question!


We share the same point ;-)
#20
Titchimp
We share the same point ;-)


Ah I see. :thumbsup: Sorry, I thought you were aiming your point at the wrong person. :oops:
[admin]#21
I think you guys need to relax.

Have a good night :)

Edit: Didn't mean that to be snarky. But honestly when you are all willing to pay £5/listing so that paid staff will carefully go everything and kiss up to keep you happy (and the £5 coming in) then that's when they will do so. In the meantime I think you should be happy that we care enough about the fs/ft forum to have someone attempting to enforce rules in there and spending a lot of time doing so. It's not exactly a fulfilling position is it? Not a lot of people saying thanks out there. If you're going to list 'downloaded' software you should probably expect that the normal reaction is not "oh I guess it must be fully licensed legitimate software where he is passing on his license".

Edit 2: Just to add to this. It is very important to get feedback and places we can improve the site. However sometimes I feel like there is also an entertainment aspect to this forum (with the 'why was I banned', 'where did my post go', 'the mods are nazis') that gets a bit tiring. There needs to be some understanding on both sides and if mods feel like all they do is have people jump down their throat on any miss-step it makes people defensive rather than open.
#22
It doesnt matter what forum you go to the moderators will always come across as Nazis, thats the joy of being a moderator :w00t:
#23
Titchimp
It doesnt matter what forum you go to the moderators will always come across as Nazis, thats the joy of being a moderator :w00t:


Nah, we're caring people. :-(
#24
duckmagicuk2;1763428
Nah, we're caring people. :-(


Come across as Nazis ;-)

I know your not a Nazi, honestly i do :whistling:
#25
Admin
I think you guys need to relax.

Have a good night :)

Edit: Didn't mean that to be snarky. But honestly when you are all willing to pay £5/listing so that paid staff will carefully go everything and kiss up to keep you happy (and the £5 coming in) then that's when they will do so. In the meantime I think you should be happy that we care enough about the fs/ft forum to have someone attempting to enforce rules in there and spending a lot of time doing so. It's not exactly a fulfilling position is it? Not a lot of people saying thanks out there. If you're going to list 'downloaded' software you should probably expect that the normal reaction is not "oh I guess it must be fully licensed legitimate software where he is passing on his license".

Edit 2: Just to add to this. It is very important to get feedback and places we can improve the site. However sometimes I feel like there is also an entertainment aspect to this forum (with the 'why was I banned', 'where did my post go', 'the mods are nazis') that gets a bit tiring. There needs to be some understanding on both sides and if mods feel like all they do is have people jump down their throat on any miss-step it makes people defensive rather than open.


I think everyone is just wanting alittle clarification and alittle more understanding from both sides here, On one hand it was licensed material that I had posted but on the other all games/software have this agreement printed on them so what was the difference in this case, It was a honest mistake on my part which could have been easily sorted rather than the extreme measures that were taken, If this is such a grey area there should be more information clearly stated on the rules about this otherwise all copyrighted/licensed material should be banned, If the mods don't want people jumping down their throats then maybe they should explain better to people what they have done wrong and give them a chance to explain/change whatever they have done, Better judgement would have been good in my case I believe - You can clearly see that this was a genuine mistake it was one game that was paid for, Don't you think that if I had illegal copies I would have had more games listed and stored on my memory card??
#26
Admin
Edit: Didn't mean that to be snarky. But honestly when you are all willing to pay £5/listing so that paid staff will carefully go everything and kiss up to keep you happy (and the £5 coming in) then that's when they will do so. In the meantime I think you should be happy that we care enough about the fs/ft forum to have someone attempting to enforce rules in there and spending a lot of time doing so. It's not exactly a fulfilling position is it? Not a lot of people saying thanks out there. If you're going to list 'downloaded' software you should probably expect that the normal reaction is not "oh I guess it must be fully licensed legitimate software where he is passing on his license".


Nice rant! :thumbsup:

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have always thanked the Mods for their work and always appreciate their efforts. I also have no problem with the Mods occasionally getting things wrong, etc. :) (Not trying to creep - just clarifying my position.:oops: ).

Edit 2: Just to add to this. It is very important to get feedback and places we can improve the site. However sometimes I feel like there is also an entertainment aspect to this forum (with the 'why was I banned', 'where did my post go', 'the mods are nazis') that gets a bit tiring. There needs to be some understanding on both sides and if mods feel like all they do is have people jump down their throat on any miss-step it makes people defensive rather than open.


That's true and I can understand where you are coming from, but at the same time, as a user of the site, when you see things happen that are inconsistent or don't make any sense, it's natural to want clarification of the rules/situation, especially when it's something that has got you, or may get you banned.
1 Like #27
SPAMDOG
It was a honest mistake on my part which could have been easily sorted rather than the extreme measures that were taken,


You were banned for 24 hours? Let's not make a drama out of it.
#28
I've seen loads of people selling PS3s with games they've downloaded from the Playstation Store on them... how come these are allowed, but Spamdog's wasn't?
#29
guv
Well if I didn't know better, I would think you were breaking the forum code of conduct.

III. Trolling, Trolls:


* Trolls are people who for no reason want to disrupt a forum topic by constantly posting out of context posts, derogatory comments, throwing insults, making personal attacks and deliberately inciting a negative response from other members. This is called trolling; in public forums and won't be tolerated here.


Now you would never do that in any of your posts would you Saint? Heaven forbid the thought even crossing my mind.


This thread is in "Feedback", let's keep it on topic. :)
#30
thesaint
You were banned for 24 hours? Let's not make a drama out of it.

Not making a drama:p just want some clear answers about this topic and obviously from the amount of replys this is a subject that needs addressing but thanks for the constructive critisism.
#31
jonnyq
I was thinking why don't we have some sort of mediation section - cut off from the public forums, so only mods and that person/persons can view and post in the thread - you could allow the person to maybe request another member to see the situation and act as support if necessary

this would eliminate any possible 'entertainment' value and it would be more open than just sending a pm

it would be on the understanding that it was not discussed with other members on the forums

plus - i don't think this has happened here and i'm not suggesting anyone here would - you wouldn't get members provoking others or making a bigger deal because it isn't open to everyone

I can see where your coming from but I think this thread has been a good thing, I now see things from both sides of the argument and theres no hard feelings to any of the mods espicially "col" as long as people are putting across their points of view in a good way without slagging each other off then I don't see any need to hide things/censor especially if in the long run it helps to clear the rules about posting certain items.
#32
You only got a 24 hour ban, I got a forever ban when I switched isp. Luckily google cache got me to the front page where I was able to message the admin to contest the ban. As long as you are back, all's good. People make a judgement call, sometimes they get it wrong, they are only human.
[admin]#33
Hey guys,

I was using the £5 as an example - we're not planning on doing that. I think the fs/ft is an important part of the community and we're committed to making it work but I was just expressing that it's also not like we're making money on it where we can afford to carefully and intensively go through everything. So in a way part of what makes that forum work is the help from all the members and the spirit of the community.

I just think it's important for everyone to come at any issues from an attempt at understanding rather than drawing a line and getting worked up about it. As I said when it feels like members are just waiting for a miss-step so they can jump on a mod it does make an environment where the mods can feel defensive and that there isn't a common ground. I'd kind of like mods and members to be on the same relationship level where everyone feels like they are working towards the same thing.
#34
Can you please define "miss-step"? Was this a mistake by the seller, or the mod? It *is* that black and white an issue since were the same, or similar situation to occur, we NEED some kinda clarity........
[admin]#35
The base issue is pretty clear - no selling of copied software. The problem was miscommunication where it was presumed that the software on the card was not a legal copy whereas it was. At least that's how I understand it.
#36
As I have already told SPAMDOG if I was made aware in the FS thread the game was legitimate no ban would have been issued :)
#37
col
As I have already told SPAMDOG if I was made aware in the FS thread the game was legitimate no ban would have been issued :)


Thanks for the clarrification. :)
#38
Haha just noticed the tags on my post, Very clever like it LOL:-D
#39
lol!!!
#40
SPAMDOG
Haha just noticed the tags on my post, Very clever like it LOL:-D



Surley thats out of order no?

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