Can someone please tell me where the sense is.............. - HotUKDeals
We use cookie files to improve site functionality and personalisation. By continuing to use HUKD, you accept our cookie and privacy policy.
Get the HUKD app free at Google Play

Search Error

An error occurred when searching, please try again!

Login / Sign UpSubmit

All Comments

(43) Jump to unreadPost a comment
Comments/page:
Page:
#1
sorry that doesnt make sense
banned#2
if there contact details (phone number, email address) are left up with their posts whats the point in saying you cant trade on here :?
#3
sassie are you the new roger cook?
banned#4
jasonrat
sassie are you the new roger cook?


yes, but please keep it to yourself:thumbsup:
#5
ok wont tell anyone
#6
Yeah, I can see the point, and well agree :thumbsup:

Why give free publicity to banned users! send out the totally wrong message.

Mods need to edit out such details if maintaining the post in view/
#7
Hillzat43;1521620
Yeah, I can see the point, and well agree :thumbsup:

Why give free publicity to banned users! send out the totally wrong message.

Mods need to edit out such details if maintaining the post in view/


If you see something you do not think should be there, please report it.
banned#8
emmajk42
If you see something you do not think should be there, please report it.


If someone is banned for trading, surely your not sugesting we still have to report each thread even once banned, it takes two secs for you to click on their name and find posts by:?


Im not sure who you think is gonna report a banned member, well apart from dipsticks like me
#9
sassie
If someone is banned for trading, surely your not sugesting we still have to report each thread even once banned, it takes two secs for you to click on their name and find posts by:?


Im not sure who you think is gonna report a banned member, well apart from dipsticks like me



:giggle: I love reading your posts sassie...makes me chuckle he he :)
#10
sassie;1521830
If someone is banned for trading, surely your not sugesting we still have to report each thread even once banned, it takes two secs for you to click on their name and find posts by


Sassie. You started this thread as we were in the middle of sorting out some posts from a seller. Those posts have since been removed.

I am saying if you see something that shouldn't be there, reports are appreciated.
#11
sassie
If someone is banned for trading, surely your not sugesting we still have to report each thread even once banned, it takes two secs for you to click on their name and find posts by:?


Im not sure who you think is gonna report a banned member, well apart from dipsticks like me


If someone is banned, would you expect the mods to trawl through perhaps 50 threads containg dozens of posts for an e-mail address/ tel number that the banned member (Might have) left? :w00t:
banned#12
emma, this is exactly what happened last time i reported a trader, the posts where left up even after the ban, which shows that you ban and leave it at that until either reminded or reported again, but now i will leave it here, because to be honest i have the exact response from you as was expected:roll:
#13
sassie;1521960
because to be honest i have the exact response from you as was expected:roll:


Why start the thread then? Sassie, you know how we do things. You know we rely on members eyes to help us out in the for sale forum. You guys have more eyes, hundreds, if not thousands, spotting things that we cannot see, no matter how many mods we have trying to help out in there.
banned#14
thesaint
If someone is banned, would you expect the mods to trawl through perhaps 50 threads containg dozens of posts for an e-mail address/ tel number that the banned member left? :w00t:


7 threads for this trader, the other one less (if i recall correct) behave yaself, if it takes me two seconds to do it, why would it take them hours
banned#15
emmajk42
Why start the thread then? Sassie, you know how we do things. You know we rely on members eyes to help us out in the for sale forum. You guys have more eyes, hundreds, if not thousands, spotting things that we cannot see, no matter how many mods we have trying to help out in there.


Yes, great rely on us, i have no issues reporting anything, my point is, when someone has traded on here, left there phone number and email in a post that you remove surely a quick click on username and seeing 4 threads just started advertising the same is pretty easy work
#16
sassie
7 threads for this trader, the other one less (if i recall correct) behave yaself, if it takes me two seconds to do it, why would it take them hours


I am not talking about "This" trader, as I have no idea which one you are referring to.

I thought you were in favour of "One rule for all"? :?

A trader may 'START' 7 threads, but participate in 70.
#17
sassie;1521980
Yes, great rely on us, i have no issues reporting anything, my point is, when someone has traded on here, left there phone number and email in a post that you remove surely a quick click on username and seeing 4 threads just started advertising the same is pretty easy work


Ok, so what if I am working on checking out someone for self-promotion in one window, removing a post for referrals in another window, helping someone add a piccy to their post in another window... I'm not exaggerating here sassie, this is what happens, and what a lot of us do on a daily basis.
banned#18
thesaint
I am not talking about "This" trader, as I have no idea which one you are referring to.

I thought you were in favour of "One rule for all"? :?

A trader may 'START' 7 threads, but participate in 70.


If someone gets to 70 threads as a trader advertising then chuffin good luck to them as it must mean im on holiday
banned#19
emmajk42
Ok, so what if I am working on checking out someone for self-promotion in one window, removing a post for referrals in another window, helping someone add a piccy to their post in another window... I'm not exaggerating here sassie, this is what happens, and what a lot of us do on a daily basis.


yes, and that doesnt just go for the mods emma
#20
sassie
If someone gets to 70 threads as a trader advertising then chuffin good luck to them as it must mean im on holiday


So you've changed your mind and will now be reporting them? :thinking:
banned#21
thesaint
So you've changed your mind and will now be reporting them? :thinking:


changed my mind about what?

thesaint, have you applied for the mods position in the for sale board? My guess would be a yes
#22
sassie
changed my mind about what?


Sorry, I thought by saying "Where's the sense..." you were saying that there is no point in us reporting posts because of the reasons you have given above. Apologies to you if you didn't mean that.

sassie

thesaint, have you applied for the mods position in the for sale board?


I can't remember the exact details, but I have Zero experience in online moderation or trading sites, I think that this kind of puts me at a disadvantage don't you think?

sassie

My guess would be a yes


Your guess would be a poor one. :)
banned#23
thesaint
Sorry, I thought by saying "Where's the sense..." you were saying that there is no point in us reporting posts because of the reasons you have given above. Apologies to you if you didn't mean that.

[COLOR="Red"]My point is apart form a dipsticks like me, who is going to repost a banned member? Members assume when a member has been banned that moderation has been done, for heavens sake most actually think the mods read every post on every thread[/COLOR]

I can't remember the exact details, but I have Zero experience in online moderation or trading sites, I think that this kind of puts me at a disadvantage don't you think?

[COLOR="red"]We all start somewhere, if nobody goes for it you will be the best candidate they have - lol[/COLOR]

Your guess would be a poor one. :)

[COLOR="red"]Never been to up on this guess work mallarky[/COLOR]:oops:
[admin]#24
I've only been doing this for a month, and I've been totally surprised at how much work goes into this job.

As a member, you can spend time on two or three posts, asking questions, reporting etc- as a mod, we're answering and acting upon the numerous reports, checking for duplicates and removing literally hundreds of spam threads- all of which involve a message being sent to the OP so we don't get moaned at for deleting threads without warning.

Then there's SP- again, you can't do this as you don't have access to the info- the amount of people who Self Promote, and try their best to cover their tracks- it can take a while to establish a definite link between the person and the merchant, but we often manage to remove self promoting posts before members even get the chance to see them.

Then we have members who don't add a picture, or a price, or a retailer to their thread- or they put in a broken link, or they put in the wrong section- they all need fixing up.. then we have the arguments that occur every time a blu-ray/HD-DVD PS3/360 etc etc thread gets started, all need monitoring...... What I'm trying to say is that when you're a member, you can look over threads, read them entirely, report a post, make a comment... when you're moderating you're doing five, six, seven tasks all at the same time- we can't be everywhere all of the time which is what the report button is for.

And the reason we lock dodgy FS threads and ban the member is so that we have a reference on the site for if that member makes any similar future posts. If we removed the thread altogether, there would be no history there, and scammers could offend time and time again.
banned#25
JB im not doubting for one minute what your job entails, what i am saying is when you ban a member for trading, and that post that is reported for adding a phone number and email address in, then if you are going to leave it up there aint much point in either you nor i wasting our time doing anything! And yes im sure your doing 8 things at once, but surely its better to do 4 things at once and get them right than doing 8 things and having to keep going back cause it aint getting done right, maybe mods should be given their own board to deal with, and that board should be their priority
#26
juliet_bravo
I've only been doing this for a month, and I've been totally surprised at how much work goes into this job.


You lost all respect from me as soon as you said this. :-D

Congrats on getting the position of a moderator, I don't "Do" congratulation threads, so this is the 1st oppurtunity for me to say this. :)
[admin]#27
I am guessing you're referring to the Jag listing? I removed the phone number and email address this morning when I checked my inbox. As you already know, we're recruiting a FS/t mod. We all have different duties, but we're not all online all of the time, so we can't leave each forum to run itself whilst the rest of the team are offline.
banned#28
juliet_bravo
I am guessing you're referring to the Jag listing? I removed the phone number and email address this morning when I checked my inbox. As you already know, we're recruiting a FS/t mod. We all have different duties, but we're not all online all of the time, so we can't leave each forum to run itself whilst the rest of the team are offline.


No, not unless they came back. This isnt the first time its happened and to be honest half the time i just think what a waste of time, a member takes the time to report something then it should be dealt with as soon as it is picked up, not half dealt with so more members have to report it again, we get nothing for our part in helping, the most we could expect is for our time not to have been wasted
#29
we get nothing for our part in helping

What do you want?
banned#30
emmajk42
What do you want?


think the few words after answer that done you:roll:
#31
Just to add my few pence on the subject...i can actually see both sides of the coin. I can definetly see it from the moderators point of view - there are about 10 new posts a minute on this forum, moderating that amount is just a crazy amount of work. I know because I have moderated/helped out in one or two much smaller forums, and the amount of effort just doing say 1 new post an hour and actually giving a response was difficult, let alone 10 new posts a minute.

Having said that, I can also see it from Sassie's point of view, whereby posts are being reported and if after a while nothing seems to get done about it, then it is disheartening. Not because we don't realise that the mods are giving up their freetime and are doing as much as they can to help out, just that for those who care about a community, when they report a post they are not doing it to be a snitch or whatever, but to help the community. So if your trying to help and it "appears" that your not being taken seriously, its hurtful. Hence Sassie's complaint.
(Even though intellectually she may realise they will get round it and shes not being ignored).


The answer? Well if the mod's time is getting taken up doing things like changing avatars and so forth, can I suggest that you guys create a Frequently Asked Questions sticky at the top of each section.

eg. How to upload your avatar.
How to change your photo.
How to subscribe to a thread
Rules of posting etc.

(I know I know, who has time to do such a thing, well I am sure many of the members would be happy to help out - hell make a competition out of it you want. The person who can make the best FAQ ....then you can take the best bits out of each of them).
#32
As a suggestion only.... so don't hurt me :?
Since 'For Sale/Trades' run at a very much lesser volume level than the normal deals, couldn't such postings be subject to Mod approval before the posting become live? thus any such violations are nipped in the bud, I believe the delay from submission to posting is of little consequence to the genuine member. :thumbsup:
#33
Why don't you get Sassie in as the for sale/trade mod? She'd do a fab job!
#34
Hillzat43
As a suggestion only.... so don't hurt me :?
Since 'For Sale/Trades' run at a very much lesser volume level than the normal deals, couldn't such postings be subject to Mod approval before the posting become live? thus any such violations are nipped in the bud, I believe the delay from submission to posting is of little consequence to the genuine member. :thumbsup:


Are you suggesting the mods approve every post?

There are thundreds/thousands every day.
banned#35
thesaint
Are you suggesting the mods approve every post?

There are thundreds/thousands every day.


on the for sale board, i dont think so
#36
as thesaint says, it would be impossible to mod all posts, hence a post threshold seems the only realistic solution. 500 posts before allowed to see the for sale forum?
#37
sadiebabes;1524635
Why don't you get Sassie in as the for sale/trade mod? She'd do a fab job!


Seconded! She's passionate about it; with that fire in her belly, it would be a real labour of love for her :thumbsup:
#38
Hillzat43;1524630
Since 'For Sale/Trades' run at a very much lesser volume level than the normal deals,


Approx 85 new threads in the for sale section in the last 24 hours. That's quite a lot. Just to compare, approx 200 "deals" + "vouchers" submitted, so definitely not as busy as that :)
#39
bazzaric
as thesaint says, it would be impossible to mod all posts, hence a post threshold seems the only realistic solution. 500 posts before allowed to see the for sale forum?


Trouble is Bazz that there will be some damned good people out there who don't post that much but suddenly find themselves with a camera or whatever to sell.
And to be honest you're probably only going to invite potential scammers to spam.

Been said before but there is no totally safe way and the more intricate the system the better the scam and scammer.

Best way for me would be some form of seller verification but I'm not sure whether that puts HUKD into all sorts of legal problems and it would be very labour intensive.
The system is already in place for people to part verify sellers but people are lazy or complacent and don't use it.

The seller template is a very good idea as it forces uniformity and allows easier moderation.

I don't like anything to do with Paypal as a seller but don't mind using them as a buyer. It annoys me when people keep advocating Paypal as an answer without doing their research.

Lastly I think that Zero Tolerance should be used on the FS/FT Forum. If a rule is broken by either Seller or Buyer then they should be dealt with firmly and fairly with possibly an appeal system to catch any mistakes made.
Just need to make all the rules and penalties for breaking them completely transparent and sensible and then have the correct manpower to implement them.
#40
hottoshop

Lastly I think that Zero Tolerance should be used on the FS/FT Forum. If a rule is broken by either Seller or Buyer then they should be dealt with firmly and fairly with possibly an appeal system to catch any mistakes made.
Just need to make all the rules and penalties for breaking them completely transparent and sensible and then have the correct manpower to implement them.


Thats the best advice...I think it has however been mentioned somewhere by Admin that he doesn't feel it will increase spamming having a post limit to see the FS/FT forum. It would be the quality and quantity of the posts before someone is 'considered' access to the forum

And just as a side note Sassie, your not the only one reporting lots of posts in the various forums. I know I do it, and a number of others too. Personally however, I do feel anything I report is sorted within a few minutes/half an hour max, but that's probably because you reported it before me :thumbsup:

Post a Comment

You don't need an account to leave a comment. Just enter your email address. We'll keep it private.

...OR log in with your social account

...OR comment using your social account

Thanks for your comment! Keep it up!
We just need to have a quick look and it will be live soon.
The community is happy to hear your opinion! Keep contributing!