Can we please have the rules/guidelines on Voting made more clear??
Hi Mods/Admin
Please, please for the good of this site can we have some better guidelines on the use/abuse of the cold voting system?
I have read a few of the topics in the FB section and I can see it has been discussed many times before however it doesn't seem to have been adequately resolved.
The Help Topic eludes to the fact that Cold votes should be constructive but it doesn't quite clarify the correct rational behind the system.
It really bugs me when people vote cold for no apparent reason and often because they have a dislike of the product/service/retailer in question.
My appreciation of the voting system is that it should be restricted to direct comparison of the product or service in question.
For example if I posted up a deal for a 40" Samsung LCD TV I wouldn't expect it to be voted cold because you can buy an XYZ brand 40" LCD TV in Tesco/Sainsbury/Adsa etc for less money.
However if I posted a deal for the TV and an eagle eyed HUKD member spotted a better deal for 'exactly' the same item elsewhere and posted it then quite rightly my deal should be voted cold. If however my deal on the TV was the absolute cheapest example of that specific item then it by definition is surely a hot deal.
It matters not if you like the product, need the product or generally dislike the genre(Apple ;-) ) of product, if it's the cheapest available place to buy that product it's a deal!!
This misuse of the system is ruining this place and is causing arguments and tension between members who feel strongly in either direction.
I welcome your thoughts and views.
All Comments (106)
Jump to unreadLockedSo do I.
I exercise common sense and restraint. If I don't know the value of a product or don't know whether it's available cheaper or not then I simply abstain. What I don't do is vote cold because I don't like it or I think it's expensive even though I know I can't find it cheaper elsewhere.
Edited By: ants97 on Aug 22, 2010 13:21: guyguygdeg
If a deal deserves to be cold then that's just the way it goes. I'm sure if it's genuinely voted cold people wouldn't complain.
If a deal deserves to be cold then that's just the way it goes. I'm sure if it's genuinely voted cold people wouldn't complain.
yes and 99.9% of cold deals are actually cold deals as are 99.9% of hot deals actually hot deals.
The system works and doesn't need tinkering to make it harder or discouragement to vote a deal cold.
Leave things as they are.
Edited By: robappleby89 on Aug 22, 2010 22:59: typo
Leave things as they are.
Stu is just asking for clarification about what constitutes a positive vote on a listed 'deal'; no suggestions have been made as such apart from the suggestion that the description concerning what you are voting on is unclear.
The wording in the site guidelines has recently changed to a less verbose statement, but it is still ambiguous & non-committal.
Stu has stated that points made in previous threads have not been adequately resolved. The fact is that no concerns about voting have been addressed by site representatives as they are probably not trying to commit themselves to a definitive description as they will alienate one group of members in doing so.
As I have mentioned a few times; if the current & accepted system is that members vote how they like regardless of manufacturer, product, price, &/or retailer, or any other attribute then what is the point of voting at all?
The site may as well be a “who likes the product” site with the cheapest prices for products mentioned tagged on to each thread where applicable.
BFN,
fp.
At the moment people vote on either the product itself or it's price in relation a lesser product rather than the price of the specified product which to be honest makes a mockery of the USP that this website has.
Apple products are a prime example, people for some reason have a unique distaste for anything Apple branded and assume it is over priced. Well that may be so but if the OP has found the absolute cheapest price for that product, regardless of it's manufacturer then until proven differently by the discovery of a better price (for the exact same item) then it is a deal (in the eyes of this forum) - Fact!!
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/apple-macbook-pro-15-2-4ghz-mc371b-/741925?page=2
Edited By: ants97 on Aug 22, 2010 16:46: cicbibib
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/apple-macbook-pro-15-2-4ghz-mc371b-/741925?page=2
Unfortunately, many of these threads trying to raise this topic turn into a similar discussion.
It doesn't make the query about voting any less relevant.
It only demonstrates the issue.
BFN,
fp.
I post a serious topic in the discussion area and you have to resort to calling me a fanboi. Is that the limit of your input?? Very valuable and worthwhile.
It's not exactly difficult to ascertain that I like Apple products - Look at the Avatar, you didn't need to rummage around in my previous posts to work that out. I also used Apple in an example I posted above but I guess you were too pleased with your 'find' to read that one.
Your degenerative attitude is another example of exactly what I am asking to be resolved. I have no doubt you'll have voted it cold just for good measure.
Edited By: Stu on Aug 22, 2010 16:58: Removed ants97 link
they should stop being so precious and accept that maybe jsut maybe their deal/product isn't so great after all.
they should stop being so precious and accept that maybe jsut maybe their deal/product isn't so great after all.
The thread quoted wasn't Stu's deal.
For what it is worth I have come to dislike Apple products. I cannot wait until my contract with O2 expires so I can ditch my iPhone 3GS.
Stu has a valid point regardless of this.
BFN,
fp.
The thread quoted wasn't Stu's deal.
BFN,
fp.
I never said it was, but if you bothered to have a look in the thread you can see how much he loves apple which is the reasoning behind this thread.
It's not because of the fairness of the voting system or percieved lack of, it's because people voted an apple product cold.
He'd have a point if this was the case with every related apple product being voted cold but a quick search would find that is not the case.
So again my point stands, there is nothing wrong with the voting system it's just members taking the hump when a deal gets voted cold.
they should stop being so precious and accept that maybe jsut maybe their deal/product isn't so great after all.
As you've already been made aware, again no doubt because you couldn't wait to stick the knife in, you didn't read the post properly - It isn't my deal at all but it is a hot deal and I voted accordingly.
It's not about being precious, it's the voice of reason.
You do seem to have quite a short memory I must say -
http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/apple-genius-bar/622681
So you were given a brand new device in exchange for one that had been given to you. So in effect you were given a a brand new warranty replacement on a secondhand device, all over the counter and without having to send it off and wait weeks for it to be repaired and sent back. Not bad CS in my eyes and some people would think it comforting and worth paying that little bit extra for.
Anyway lets not turn this into another World vs Apple thread and keep it on topic.
You have a viewpoint; yes. So does Stu. I shared Stu's irrespective of the love of Apple products.
I think the voting system needs clarification.
BFN,
fp.
Why would my level of favour for the Apple product have any bearing on whether or not you had a good Apple experience??
This just further goes to show your narrow mindedness and to be honest lack of value in this discussion. Regardless of whether or not I am an 'Apple Nut', it was you who sought to indicate and point out that I had raised this thread simply based on my earlier discussions in an Apple thread.
This thread is a general suggestion/question about thread voting in general and not an attempt at ensuring every Apple deal gets voted hot. Yes i have used Apple products as illustrations but only because they tend to be the most abused out of everything and make good examples.
So get over yourself, this is not about Apple it's about the misuse of the voting system.
Oh and I am glad you enjoyed your Apple experience (_;)