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I vote how I like. Thanks.
1 Like #2
dcx_badass
I vote how I like. Thanks.


So do I.

I exercise common sense and restraint. If I don't know the value of a product or don't know whether it's available cheaper or not then I simply abstain. What I don't do is vote cold because I don't like it or I think it's expensive even though I know I can't find it cheaper elsewhere.
1 Like #3
it's people moaning because their precious deals get voted cold that will ruin this place.

Edited By: ants97 on Aug 22, 2010 13:21: guyguygdeg
#4
ants97
it's people moaning because their precious deals get voted cold that will ruin this place.


If a deal deserves to be cold then that's just the way it goes. I'm sure if it's genuinely voted cold people wouldn't complain.
#5
Stu

If a deal deserves to be cold then that's just the way it goes. I'm sure if it's genuinely voted cold people wouldn't complain.


yes and 99.9% of cold deals are actually cold deals as are 99.9% of hot deals actually hot deals.

The system works and doesn't need tinkering to make it harder or discouragement to vote a deal cold.
#6
If the op's suggestions were implemented then it would be pointless having a voting system.

Leave things as they are.
#7
Even if it was addressed, and there were strict guidelines on how to vote, do you think people would follow these. It would be incredibly hard to enforce, and people will vote regardless of any guidelines.

Edited By: robappleby89 on Aug 22, 2010 22:59: typo
suspended#8
boothy
If the op's suggestions were implemented then it would be pointless having a voting system.

Leave things as they are.


Stu is just asking for clarification about what constitutes a positive vote on a listed 'deal'; no suggestions have been made as such apart from the suggestion that the description concerning what you are voting on is unclear.

The wording in the site guidelines has recently changed to a less verbose statement, but it is still ambiguous & non-committal.

Stu has stated that points made in previous threads have not been adequately resolved. The fact is that no concerns about voting have been addressed by site representatives as they are probably not trying to commit themselves to a definitive description as they will alienate one group of members in doing so.

As I have mentioned a few times; if the current & accepted system is that members vote how they like regardless of manufacturer, product, price, &/or retailer, or any other attribute then what is the point of voting at all?

The site may as well be a “who likes the product” site with the cheapest prices for products mentioned tagged on to each thread where applicable.

BFN,

fp.
2 Likes #9
That's exactly the point I'm trying to address fanpages.

At the moment people vote on either the product itself or it's price in relation a lesser product rather than the price of the specified product which to be honest makes a mockery of the USP that this website has.

Apple products are a prime example, people for some reason have a unique distaste for anything Apple branded and assume it is over priced. Well that may be so but if the OP has found the absolute cheapest price for that product, regardless of it's manufacturer then until proven differently by the discovery of a better price (for the exact same item) then it is a deal (in the eyes of this forum) - Fact!!
#10
aaah now we get to the bottom of this thread, an apple fanboy takes the hump because a "deal" on a mac book pro get voted cold.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/apple-macbook-pro-15-2-4ghz-mc371b-/741925?page=2



Edited By: ants97 on Aug 22, 2010 16:46: cicbibib
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ants97
aaah now we get to the bottom of this thread, an apple fanboy takes the hump because a "deal" on a mac book pro get voted cold.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/apple-macbook-pro-15-2-4ghz-mc371b-/741925?page=2



Unfortunately, many of these threads trying to raise this topic turn into a similar discussion.

It doesn't make the query about voting any less relevant.

It only demonstrates the issue.

BFN,

fp.
1 Like #12
ants97
aaah now we get to the bottom of this thread, an apple fanboy takes the hump because a "deal" on a mac book pro get voted cold.




I post a serious topic in the discussion area and you have to resort to calling me a fanboi. Is that the limit of your input?? Very valuable and worthwhile.

It's not exactly difficult to ascertain that I like Apple products - Look at the Avatar, you didn't need to rummage around in my previous posts to work that out. I also used Apple in an example I posted above but I guess you were too pleased with your 'find' to read that one.

Your degenerative attitude is another example of exactly what I am asking to be resolved. I have no doubt you'll have voted it cold just for good measure.


Edited By: Stu on Aug 22, 2010 16:58: Removed ants97 link
2 Likes #13
there is no issue, it's just members taking the hump and moaning because their deal or something which they love gets voted cold.

they should stop being so precious and accept that maybe jsut maybe their deal/product isn't so great after all.
suspended#14
ants97
there is no issue, it's just members taking the hump and moaning because their deal or something which they love gets voted cold.

they should stop being so precious and accept that maybe jsut maybe their deal/product isn't so great after all.


The thread quoted wasn't Stu's deal.

For what it is worth I have come to dislike Apple products. I cannot wait until my contract with O2 expires so I can ditch my iPhone 3GS.

Stu has a valid point regardless of this.

BFN,

fp.
#15
fanpages
[quote=ants97]

The thread quoted wasn't Stu's deal.

BFN,

fp.



I never said it was, but if you bothered to have a look in the thread you can see how much he loves apple which is the reasoning behind this thread.

It's not because of the fairness of the voting system or percieved lack of, it's because people voted an apple product cold.

He'd have a point if this was the case with every related apple product being voted cold but a quick search would find that is not the case.

So again my point stands, there is nothing wrong with the voting system it's just members taking the hump when a deal gets voted cold.
#16
ants97
there is no issue, it's just members taking the hump and moaning because their deal or something which they love gets voted cold.

they should stop being so precious and accept that maybe jsut maybe their deal/product isn't so great after all.


As you've already been made aware, again no doubt because you couldn't wait to stick the knife in, you didn't read the post properly - It isn't my deal at all but it is a hot deal and I voted accordingly.

It's not about being precious, it's the voice of reason.

You do seem to have quite a short memory I must say -

http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/apple-genius-bar/622681

update for the 2 hardy souls that graced the thread. couldn't have been nicer, after a little wait got seen and was promptly given a new touch with minimum fuss. hats off to apple.


So you were given a brand new device in exchange for one that had been given to you. So in effect you were given a a brand new warranty replacement on a secondhand device, all over the counter and without having to send it off and wait weeks for it to be repaired and sent back. Not bad CS in my eyes and some people would think it comforting and worth paying that little bit extra for.

Anyway lets not turn this into another World vs Apple thread and keep it on topic.
suspended 1 Like #17
I did look in the thread. I read it completely & commented at the end before replying to you.

You have a viewpoint; yes. So does Stu. I shared Stu's irrespective of the love of Apple products.

I think the voting system needs clarification.

BFN,

fp.
1 Like #18
It seems to me we have a member quite justifiably asking for clarification on an issue that does raise concerns as to the effectiveness of the site and i can see no harm in that, there would appear to be a lot of children who can type but not think, basically this is a price comparison issue so if i wanted car insurance a hot deal on house insurance would be of no use to me even if it was a hot deal, likewise if i want an Apple computer i am only interested in Apple deals, if i just wanted a computer of a certain specification then that is a different matter and all makes would then be considered purely on price
#19
I've no idea what relevance my excellent experience at the apple store has to this thread other than to show how much of an apple nut the op is and can't take it because 1 apple product just happened to be voted cold.
#20
ants97
I've no idea what relevance my excellent experience at the apple store has to this thread other than to show how much of an apple nut the op is


Why would my level of favour for the Apple product have any bearing on whether or not you had a good Apple experience??

ants97
can't take it because 1 apple product just happened to be voted cold.


This just further goes to show your narrow mindedness and to be honest lack of value in this discussion. Regardless of whether or not I am an 'Apple Nut', it was you who sought to indicate and point out that I had raised this thread simply based on my earlier discussions in an Apple thread.

This thread is a general suggestion/question about thread voting in general and not an attempt at ensuring every Apple deal gets voted hot. Yes i have used Apple products as illustrations but only because they tend to be the most abused out of everything and make good examples.

So get over yourself, this is not about Apple it's about the misuse of the voting system.

Oh and I am glad you enjoyed your Apple experience (_;)
#21
I am against the OPs proposal that voting should be based purely on price for an identical product, however I have to agree with him that it would be useful to have more clarification from the admins precisely because people like him whine when deals they believe to be hot are voted cold. They fall back on quoting imaginary rules. An explicit statement from those in authority would hopefully put an end to this nonsense.

It probably doesn't matter that much as most people will continue voting as they see fit but some new or naive people may be coerced into voting differently which is not a good thing. Also it just irritates me to read all the whining.

Anyway, in the meantime perhaps everyone who feels tempted to dictate their own rules could just abstain from doing so?
#22
Stu

Why would my level of favour for the Apple product have any bearing on whether or not you had a good Apple experience??



This just further goes to show your narrow mindedness and to be honest lack of value in this discussion. Regardless of whether or not I am an 'Apple Nut', it was you who sought to indicate and point out that I had raised this thread simply based on my earlier discussions in an Apple thread.

This thread is a general suggestion/question about thread voting in general and not an attempt at ensuring every Apple deal gets voted hot. Yes i have used Apple products as illustrations but only because they tend to be the most abused out of everything and make good examples.

So get over yourself, this is not about Apple it's about the misuse of the voting system.

Oh and I am glad you enjoyed your Apple experience (_;)


I've still no idea why you brought my great experience at an apple store into a thread about voting hot or cold.

I brought up your argument in the mac thread to highlight just about every one of these voting cold moaning threads starts off becuase the op's deal or in this case love for a particular product gets voted cold and they can't handle it.

You can try and hide behind some sort flimsy excusted about voting in general but the sole reason you started this thread is because you beloved mac book got voted cold.

Oh and as I've already mentioned a quick search for apple products on here shows that not every apple related item gets voted cold.

Again there is no issue, the voting system works fine and shouldn't be messed around with because of a few members who don't like it when something is voted cold.
suspended#23
ants97
...Again there is no issue, the voting system works fine and shouldn't be messed around with because of a few members who don't like it when something is voted cold.


There is no issue in your opinion. Fortunately, you are not the only member, and your opinion is not the only viewpoint, of this site.

I acknowledge you consider the current system works as you believe it is intended to do so.

We are endeavouring to see some input from the site representatives to confirm without any doubt what is intended to be the criteria for voting a deal thread "hot".

If I never list a deal again I would still like to know so I can vote accordingly on other deals.

BFN,

fp.
#24
fp why on earth would you want to know what criteria you have to base your hot or cold vote on. Surely you have your own opinion what makes a deal hot or cold and don't need those behind the scenes here to tell you why you should be voting either way.
1 Like #25
Let's not forget that within a certain thread regarding an apple product, one particular member explicitly cited:

"a large number of mis-informed, narrow minded, Apple haters had voted it cold"

A few posts later, the very same member stated

"Of course it is everyones free choice to vote as they wish".

What is your position on this incongruity, Stu?

Given that a vote is a free choice and is purely subjective, is is quite evident that the vast majority of us understand the definition of vote and for that reason, there is no need for rules or other members to insult us on the definition of this word. Shall we restrict votes on Apple products to those who are familiar with Apple products (or fanboys, as many put it)? In the thread in question, the majority clearly found the product to be of poor value despite it possibly being the lowest priced of its kind. Now, a certain member wishes the rules to be altered to something akin to check http://www.froogle.co.uk or check http://www.pricerunner.co.uk and if you cannot find the exact same product, vote hot. Let's apply this very same set of rules to every single product here and if we analyse each product by plotting them on a histogram we would see strange results. Of course, there is no need for a graph to make this evident, just use reasoning and people should vote how they wish to. Furthermore, if a product's value is based on whether it is the cheapest on the market, do we base this on a specific price comparison site for reference? Do we base this on what Stu tells use or do we base it on how we perceive the value of the product to be? Shall we have a vote on this?

As for OP's lamenting their posts are voted cold, I find that lamentable in itself. There are other ways to boost one's ego than to constantly whine, lament, moan, grumble and complain such as getting out more and understanding that the World does not revolve around themselves.





Edited By: ElliottC on Aug 22, 2010 22:32: .
#26
Yes.... and maybe we should all sign legal binding statements before we vote - and be open to prosecution if we voted cold on a deal and it turns out that it was unfounded..........
People are, and always should be, free to vote how they please without being constantly told 'how to vote' by self appointed HUKD vote police.
If you don't like the way your deals/comments are recieved (to the point that you get irritated about it and post a whole thread on the rights/wrongs of voting) then perhaps you should save yourself the stress and not bother posting at all and just use the site for finding a good deal - which it regularly does for me.
As for your saying 'I welcome your thoughts and views' it would seem that is only true until someone disagrees with you - at which point you become increasingly agitated by peoples comments and less than 'welcoming' - just look at the exchange between you and ants97 ending in 'This just further goes to show your narrow mindedness and to be honest lack of value in this discussion' if you really welcome peoples comments perhaps you should be a little less judgemental of peoples opinions.







Edited By: G0OSE on Aug 22, 2010 23:42: edit
#27
G0OSE
without being constantly told 'how to vote' by self appointed HUKD vote police
I think I will just start playing this in my head whenever they do this.
suspended 1 Like #28
ants97
fp why on earth would you want to know what criteria you have to base your hot or cold vote on. Surely you have your own opinion what makes a deal hot or cold and don't need those behind the scenes here to tell you why you should be voting either way.


Sorry, I think you are missing my point. I have been accused of typing too much in another thread today, but here I have tried to be as concise as possible to try & put across my viewpoint. This reply may also be considered too long to comprehend as well, so I apologise in advance…

I am not asking to be informed what my opinion is.
I am asking to be told what elements of a “deal” listing can be used for voting it "hot" or "cold".

Before my discussion in the "Sony HS1 - 1TB Home Media Server - Only £179.89 - R.R.P £399 @ Micro Anvika!" thread in May this year I thought a "hot" deal was one where a product could not be found cheaper anywhere else in the UK at that point in time (or a product may have been more expensive than elsewhere but other incentives may have made it more attractive; e.g. cashback after 3 months that offset the initial outlay).

However, that thread informed me that others vote on other aspects of the listing; the retailer, the delivery time, the colour, the size, or the fact the product didn't suit their requirements for whatever mundane reason.

If the criteria to consider a deal "hot" or not, can literally be anything, then the voting system, to me, does not relate to a "deal" in terms of best price (by definition).

If it was/is the site owner's intention (either recently, or from the time this site began) that a "hot" vote does not just relate to a "best price" then I have been mistaken in the purpose of the voting system since I became a member.

For example, previously I may have voted Xbox 360 games "hot" if they were the best price in the UK at that point in time (regardless of the retailer, or any other factor), but another member may have been blinkered in their mindset that only PS3 consoles should exist in the world & have voted negatively just because the product listed was not for their gaming system of choice.

My vote, therefore, was cancelled-out if another member voted in this way.

I may never have considered buying the product (the Xbox 360 game title), but if I had knowledge that it was the best price available in the UK at that time I thought I was helping other members by raising the profile of the listing to alert them to this fact.

If I followed the example of some other members, what I should have been doing instead of voting “hot” was to vote “cold” to try to knock the listing from not only the first page of 'deals' but from all the other pages because it was a product I was never likely to buy & I was trying to influence others not to buy it either.

It seems that I may be in the minority by wanting to help other members.

I would therefore like to be informed if the best way to help other members is to effectively ‘hide’ or ‘block’ products they may be interested in by voting any product “cold” that I feel is not in their best interests.

If that is the case, then this site becomes an “I Like This Product” site. The term “Deal” is obviously not the same to me as to the majority.

BFN,

fp.
2 Likes #29
Very well said fp and exactly the point I've been trying to make all day.

When I look at a product I try to ascertain if it is a good price, and before I considered voting it cold I would first look to see if it was available more cheaply elsewhere. If I plainly have no idea about the product or it's virtues the simplest and safest option is to abstain.

By virtue of the name of this website, 'HotUKDeals' it infers to me that it would be a resource for Hot Deals, normally from the UK or for the UK market. However I, like you, seem to have it all wrong and in fact it appears the website ought to be named 'MostLikedProductUK' or something.

I am certainly not trying to influence the way a person votes, or indeed take away anyones right to free speech and choice. I merely wish to have clarification of the intent of the Admin/Moderators in what actually is the perceived way the HUKD voting system should operate.

It has become abundantly clear today that there are two very definite schools of thought and until everyone is working to achieve the same aim we will never be sure of the real value of this website and the deals it offers.
#30

I thought a "hot" deal was one where a product could not be found cheaper anywhere else in the UK at that point in time

So where does the varying levels of heat come into it? I mean, do we use a binary system whereby a 1 means the product cannot be found any cheaper and 0 means it can? Or applying degrees of heat means the hotter an item is voted, the more that it cannot be found cheaper on the market - which is nonsensical. Either it is cheapest on the market or it isn't and how do we pass judgement in that respect?


If it was/is the site owner's intention (either recently, or from the time this site began) that a "hot" vote does not just relate to a "best price" then I have been mistaken in the purpose of the voting system since I became a member.

I did not realise this site is a price comparison site. For best price, I would go to a price comparison site. It may not actually be the best price (but a best price known to that site) but would provide a good enough indication of achieving one of the lowest prices I may be able to find.


It seems that I may be in the minority by wanting to help other members.

Another one who hasn't grasped the English language or likes to twist words. The minority stems from others not agreeing with your voting actions - not from a want to help others! Try helping yourself instead by not misconstruing what has been said and by not twisting your words. Trying to help while not agreeing with others' voting actions may well be your intentions but when arguing a case or defending a case, don't try to deflect the issue at hand.
1 Like #31
fanpages
ants97
fp why on earth would you want to know what criteria you have to base your hot or cold vote on. Surely you have your own opinion what makes a deal hot or cold and don't need those behind the scenes here to tell you why you should be voting either way.
Sorry, I think you are missing my point. I have been accused of typing too much in another thread today, but here I have tried to be as concise as possible to try & put across my viewpoint. This reply may also be considered too long to comprehend as well, so I apologise in advance…I am not asking to be informed what my opinion is.I am asking to be told what elements of a “deal” listing can be used for voting it "hot" or "cold".Before my discussion in the "Sony HS1 - 1TB Home Media Server - Only £179.89 - R.R.P £399 @ Micro Anvika!" thread in May this year I thought a "hot" deal was one where a product could not be found cheaper anywhere else in the UK at that point in time (or a product may have been more expensive than elsewhere but other incentives may have made it more attractive; e.g. cashback after 3 months that offset the initial outlay).However, that thread informed me that others vote on other aspects of the listing; the retailer, the delivery time, the colour, the size, or the fact the product didn't suit their requirements for whatever mundane reason.If the criteria to consider a deal "hot" or not, can literally be anything, then the voting system, to me, does not relate to a "deal" in terms of best price (by definition).If it was/is the site owner's intention (either recently, or from the time this site began) that a "hot" vote does not just relate to a "best price" then I have been mistaken in the purpose of the voting system since I became a member.For example, previously I may have voted Xbox 360 games "hot" if they were the best price in the UK at that point in time (regardless of the retailer, or any other factor), but another member may have been blinkered in their mindset that only PS3 consoles should exist in the world & have voted negatively just because the product listed was not for their gaming system of choice.My vote, therefore, was cancelled-out if another member voted in this way.I may never have considered buying the product (the Xbox 360 game title), but if I had knowledge that it was the best price available in the UK at that time I thought I was helping other members by raising the profile of the listing to alert them to this fact.If I followed the example of some other members, what I should have been doing instead of voting “hot” was to vote “cold” to try to knock the listing from not only the first page of 'deals' but from all the other pages because it was a product I was never likely to buy & I was trying to influence others not to buy it either.It seems that I may be in the minority by wanting to help other members.I would therefore like to be informed if the best way to help other members is to effectively ‘hide’ or ‘block’ products they may be interested in by voting any product “cold” that I feel is not in their best interests.If that is the case, then this site becomes an “I Like This Product” site. The term “Deal” is obviously not the same to me as to the majority.BFN,fp.
Totally agree.
#32
Stu
Very well said fp and exactly the point I've been trying to make all day.When I look at a product I try to ascertain if it is a good price, and before I considered voting it cold I would first look to see if it was available more cheaply elsewhere. If I plainly have no idea about the product or it's virtues the simplest and safest option is to abstain.By virtue of the name of this website, 'HotUKDeals' it infers to me that it would be a resource for Hot Deals, normally from the UK or for the UK market. However I, like you, seem to have it all wrong and in fact it appears the website ought to be named 'MostLikedProductUK' or something.I am certainly not trying to influence the way a person votes, or indeed take away anyones right to free speech and choice. I merely wish to have clarification of the intent of the Admin/Moderators in what actually is the perceived way the HUKD voting system should operate.It has become abundantly clear today that there are two very definite schools of thought and until everyone is working to achieve the same aim we will never be sure of the real value of this website and the deals it offers.

Were these 2 sentences well said?

"a large number of mis-informed, narrow minded, Apple haters had voted it cold"

"Of course it is everyones free choice to vote as they wish".


To the person who quoted them, very well said! That very person has actually applied BOTH schools of thought.

Edited By: ElliottC on Aug 23, 2010 00:49: .
suspended#33
ElliottC
So where does the varying levels of heat come into it? I mean, do we use a binary system whereby a 1 means the product cannot be found any cheaper and 0 means it can? Or applying degrees of heat means the hotter an item is voted, the more that it cannot be found cheaper on the market - which is nonsensical. Either it is cheapest on the market or it isn't and how do we pass judgement in that respect?


By "varying levels" do you mean the section of the "Help" page that I have placed in bold below?

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/help ]

How Voting Works


The HUKD temperature gauge (the little red and blue arrow next to each deal) is used by members to show their opinion on the deals, competitions, vouchers and freebies on HUKD. Members vote "hot" for those offers that seem pretty special. Enough hot votes and the deal will go front page.

Deals which don't quite hit the mark tend to be voted cold - remember if you're voting a deal cold, it's in the interest of the community to leave a constructive comment within the thread.

If you're a new member, you may notice that the temperature only changes by a very small amount when you vote - this is completely normal and the amount will increase once you've become an established member of the site.

Posting hot deals yourself has the biggest impact on your vote power, and helping out other members will also give you a boost. So vote fairly, be constructive and helpful and by doing so, you'll establish yourself as an important part of our community.


BFN,

fp.

Edited By: fanpages on Aug 23, 2010 00:54: Added bold formatting
#34
ElliottC


Were these 2 sentences well said?

"a large number of mis-informed, narrow minded, Apple haters had voted it cold"


So can you explain to me, as I seem to be missing the point, why wasn't the recent MacBook Pro deal a hot deal. Just to clear it up for me, if you wouldn't mind.
#35
Stu
ElliottC
Were these 2 sentences well said?"a large number of mis-informed, narrow minded, Apple haters had voted it cold"
So can you explain to me, as I seem to be missing the point, why wasn't the recent MacBook Pro deal a hot deal. Just to clear it up for me, if you wouldn't mind.

Another one deflecting the issuae at hand? Where's the second sentence? you know, the one that will answer your question?

The recent MacBook deal wasn't hot because most voted it cold. Hope that clears things up. You know, vote as in people exercised their rights and judgement based on the post.

Good grief!

Edited By: ElliottC on Aug 23, 2010 00:58: .
suspended#36
fanpages

If it was/is the site owner's intention (either recently, or from the time this site began) that a "hot" vote does not just relate to a "best price" then I have been mistaken in the purpose of the voting system since I became a member.


ElliottC

I did not realise this site is a price comparison site. For best price, I would go to a price comparison site. It may not actually be the best price (but a best price known to that site) but would provide a good enough indication of achieving one of the lowest prices I may be able to find.


The use of price comparison sites complements HotUKDeals.com deal listings.

BFN,

fp.
suspended#37
fanpages

It seems that I may be in the minority by wanting to help other members.


ElliottC

Another one who hasn't grasped the English language or likes to twist words. The minority stems from others not agreeing with your voting actions - not from a want to help others! Try helping yourself instead by not misconstruing what has been said and by not twisting your words. Trying to help while not agreeing with others' voting actions may well be your intentions but when arguing a case or defending a case, don't try to deflect the issue at hand.


I was stating my own reasons for wanting to clarify the way a "hot" vote is cast.
If I consider voting deals higher to the "first page" by adding a "hot" vote is helping my fellow HotUKDeals community members then that is my prerogative to do so.

You may not agree, but it does not make my opinion any less valid than your own.

I believe my grasp of English to be adequate, thank you.

BFN,

fp.
#38
ElliottC
Stu
ElliottC
Were these 2 sentences well said? "a large number of mis-informed, narrow minded, Apple haters had voted it cold"
So can you explain to me, as I seem to be missing the point, why wasn't the recent MacBook Pro deal a hot deal. Just to clear it up for me, if you wouldn't mind.


Another one deflecting the issuae at hand? Where's the second sentence? you know, the one that will answer your question?

The recent MacBook deal wasn't hot because most voted it cold. Hope that clears things up. You know, vote as in people exercised their rights and judgement based on the post.

Good grief!


Good grief indeed, I fear you may be starting to feel a similar frustration to myself.

I have not at all deflected the issue at hand but in fact proved my point once more.

The second sentence wasn't needed in my question and hence I omitted it, The second sentence is still in place in your original post for all to see. I simply gave the membership the freedom to choose if they wanted to see it again.

The MBP deal was voted cold for the simple reason that people did not compare the deal with an offer for the same product elsewhere. Had they done so they would have soon realised that to the best of my knowledge, and I assume anyone else's as they didn't post to the contrary, that it was in fact the cheapest price for that model of MBP - Anywhere!!. So whichever way you wish to dress it up it's a Hot Deal. Sadly I suspect much like yourself people simply thought they could buy a laptop for less and that's the end of it.

Edited By: Stu on Aug 23, 2010 01:13: Quote Text Alignment
#39
fanpages
If I followed the example of some other members, what I should have been doing instead of voting “hot” was to vote “cold” to try to knock the listing from not only the first page of 'deals' but from all the other pages because it was a product I was never likely to buy & I was trying to influence others not to buy it either.It seems that I may be in the minority by wanting to help other members.I would therefore like to be informed if the best way to help other members is to effectively ‘hide’ or ‘block’ products they may be interested in by voting any product “cold” that I feel is not in their best interests.If that is the case, then this site becomes an “I Like This Product” site. The term “Deal” is obviously not the same to me as to the majority.BFN,fp.

You may or may not realise it but your comments are coming across as both insulting and condescending whether intentional or not by implying that most members of this site strive to be unhelpful while you on your own are one of the 'lone' helpful ones. That's just clearly nonsense otherwise the site just wouldn't be able to function at all.

I don't think it's that useful for the site to function purely as a price aggregrator as there are far faster automated systems out there I could use if that's all I wanted. However the benefit of this site is that it's not just about price and I think it's reaosnable that people should be considering more factors when voting on a deal. A good example is the WindowsCE netbook deals which have cropped up a few times and just about all hitting ice cold very quickly. In each case, these machines have been the cheapest out there however people have voted them down because the PCs themselves are genuinely rubbish, designed to fool people into thinking they're gettin a netbook for a little less money. As long as people offer a reasonable explanation why they've voted it cold I think they should continue to do so, similarly in deals where someone has posted a link to an alternative product which is better in every way (such as replacing an outgoing product or the deal being for a first-gen product which has a more mature and cheaper successor).

What I would say is that the voting tends to be too negative on premium products (although I wouldn't include Apple in that for various reasons, mainly that their deals get an easy ride here) and genuinely good deals are voted down because people believe a vastly inferior and cheaper product does the job just as well. PC graphics cards are an obvious example, while they offer very high performance they do so at a price premium which some people are prepared to pay, it's fair enough to post a good deal on a 5850 within a 5870 thread (without voting the deal cold) but the brigade of 'cold because you can buy a graphics card for £50' posters are not helpful or beneficial. Similarly top end camera equipment gets a real bashing again with people making inadequate comparisons such as comparing Nikon's flagship professional spec 70-200mm telephoto lens to the lowest end budget 55-200mm lens and not only voting the deal cold but filling the thread with pages of garbage as well. I would expect that type of behaviour to stop but can't see it ever happening nor do I think it's possible for mods to police it either as there's no way they can have the in depth expertise in every field to judge the deals.

John
#40
Ultimately, most people don't like to be told how to vote. For some, it's like a red rag to a bull. I know some otherwise quite reasonable people who become all righteous at the thought of someone else suggesting how they should behave in a situation.

This thread is really a storm in a teacup. For those who actually believe in helping others, let us continue to vote in an actual helpful way. The world is demonstrably awash with random elements who have no other purpose than just trying to be obtuse and difficult. It doesn't get me down in real life, and it doesn't get me down on the forums either.

It's just noise you learn to filter out and get on with it.

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