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#1
[admin]#2
If the price is available to everyone then list it at that.

A voucher that is multi-use no personal restrictions can be used to bring down the listed price.

If a voucher is one-time use then it shouldn't be in the listed price but can be mentioned after it.
#3
Thanks for the speedy response. :) So as the restrictions were not clear with that particular voucher, then it shouldn't really have been used, I guess.
banned#4
its a fair point actually

how many deals from Play have included that 5%m voucher, which ccan only be used once by each person

can be misleading
[admin]#5
Considering most vouchers are multi-use I actually think the other way on that case BristolDeal. There was no reason to presume it wasn't.

I think the Play 5% one should not be used to list a price with unless the non voucher price is listed first.
#6
Shame this isn't extended to amazon items that are less than £15, therefore you have to buy more items to qualify for free postage.
There was once upon a time a chat about this, and the decision then was to use the phrase, filler item......
#7
Admin;1992567
Considering most vouchers are multi-use I actually think the other way on that case BristolDeal. There was no reason to presume it wasn't.

I think the Play 5% one should not be used to list a price with unless the non voucher price is listed first.


Personally, I don't agree with that at all. In my experience most vouchers, especially for sites in TheHut's chain, are single-use only. There was just as much reason to assume it was single use. So as none of us knew, you're saying it was okay to take the chance of posting inaccurate information and prices?

You set down a nice clear, concise rule in your first post and then confused the issue all over again in the next. Are you surprised people don't know what to do? Except of course that this 'addendum' is in your employee's favour, and your loyatly to them means they won't be shown to be in the wrong, which is understandable. :)
#8
boydent999;1992991
Shame this isn't extended to amazon items that are less than £15, therefore you have to buy more items to qualify for free postage.
There was once upon a time a chat about this, and the decision then was to use the phrase, filler item......


There were some typically vague rules set down about that as well, but as they were clear as mud, needless to say the situation never changed.
[admin]#9
Go to the vouchers and compile stats that show the majority are one time use and then let's talk. Otherwise let's keep any personal agenda out of this thanks.

My experience is entirely the other way with listed codes but I'm happy to be proved wrong.
#10
Admin;1993065
Go to the vouchers and compile stats that show the majority are one time use and then let's talk. Otherwise let's keep any personal agenda out of this thanks.

My experience is entirely the other way with listed codes but I'm happy to be proved wrong.
......and the Amazon comment?
[admin]#11
I agree totally with your comment about Amazon and I've posted about it before. If it's a small couple pound filler item then it should be posted as such - otherwise it should have delivery price.

The point is people shouldn't see a price and then find out a checkout they are getting screwed for more. That defeats the point of the site in a lot of ways and I personally find it very annoying.
#12
Thanks for that,so, if i see an item, for less than £15 on here, and it's priced at actual amazon price, say, £7 in the title, ie before delivery costs, can i spam/expire/report it please, and summat will be done? :)
Like you say, £2 or less should be filler, £2.01 should be £2.01, PLUS delivery then?
I found it annoying too, but i find too many things annoying :giggle:
#13
boydent999;1993096
Thanks for that,so, if i see an item, for less than £15 on here, and it's priced at actual amazon price, say, £7 in the title, ie before delivery costs, can i spam/expire/report it please, and summat will be done? :)


You can try... :whistling:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/171461/sony-5-pack-minidv-premium-tapes-he/
[admin]#14
I don't know at what point something becomes a filler but I'd say at £7 it's not a filler it's an item. I would suggest not expiring it but rather reporting in and posting in the thread so that (a) a mod can fix the price and (b) other members see what the consensus is so they think of it in the future.
#15
Admin;1993065
Go to the vouchers and compile stats that show the majority are one time use and then let's talk. Otherwise let's keep any personal agenda out of this thanks.

My experience is entirely the other way with listed codes but I'm happy to be proved wrong.


Well my experience with using codes from TheHut and related companies is that they're always single use. So I guess it's your experience versus mine. Neither of us is backing our opinions up with any evidence, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. :)
#16
Ok, Paul, that's fine by me.
£7 was an arbitary figure, an example, not one i thought to long/hard about, sorry
I'll not expire, but do as asked
Commenting on the thread young BristolDeal linked to mind, does look a bit complicated.
Nowt personal Edi but Nightswimmer was right (it seems?) to comment on it not being £11.22 not as the OP and title said, £7.99
It's not easy this, i can see that, but some rules would really help Paul.
Sorry, i know you don't do "rules", guidelines then :) but some are needed
banned#17
I believe it was my gobby self that brought the amazon things up many months ago, and yes it was as clear as mud then - lol It really isnt worth brining it back up now, some will see £4 items as fillers, some wont, depends who has posted and who gets the report, but i personally belive all items should say in the title plus p&p then they can add to the post about vouchers, free postage etc,etc
#18
No, you being gobby? Good job i am sat down :giggle:
Well, like you say, some will see £4 as filler, some won't, so perhaps some guidelines (Paul) will help :)
When is a filler item, not a filler item?
All titles *should* include postage i believe and would crusade, amazon, anywhere
[admin]#19
Well we can just make £7 the arbitrary thing for Amazon and say anything below should say filler item and put the postage in brackets?

I think it's important that we are clear on this yes.
banned#20
Admin
Well we can just make £7 the arbitrary thing for Amazon and say anything below should say filler item and put the postage in brackets?

I think it's important that we are clear on this yes.


that is rediculous, how can a £6-99 item be a filler
#21
Maybe the answer is to say "£x.xx + Postage (£x.xx or free above £15)" in the title if there's room? Or as much of that as possible?
#22
Admin;1993359
Well we can just make £7 the arbitrary thing for Amazon and say anything below should say filler item and put the postage in brackets?

I think it's important that we are clear on this yes.
Ok, and if summat is £7, but has say, £3.50 postage, it should be listed as:

Item X, Amazon, £7 (+£3.5p+p)

Simple as that? :) that would be great
#23
boydent999;1993318

Commenting on the thread young BristolDeal linked to mind, does look a bit complicated.
Nowt personal Edi but Nightswimmer was right (it seems?) to comment on it not being £11.22 not as the OP and title said, £7.99


It certainly was pointed out by nightswimmer, clearly, politely and correctly. But did the item price or thread title ever get changed? Nope. This is exactly what I'm talking about! :)
banned#24
duckmagicuk2
Maybe the answer is to say "£x.xx + Postage (£x.xx or free above £15)" in the title if there's room? Or as much of that as possible?


i thought that was the conclusion we sorta came to last time :?
[admin]#25
I did say arbitrary.... but to reason it I would say anything that is less than half to get to minimum shipping would be a filler :D

It's kind of silly overall really though and it may be best to just say they should have the price entered as the full price as normal and just break out the p&p in the title if you want to show the item itself is cheap. (EDIT: as above)

Also putting 'amazonfill' or something in the tags would help to find all those kinds of items.
#26
Yeah, makes sense, even as high, if not, might be best as £7.49 Paul, since X2 does not make it £15, but [email protected] would be.......that seems best to me at least.
£7.49 or below is a filler and should be posted as:
Item X, Amazon, £7.49 (plus £3.50 p+p)
Above £7.49 should STILL be posted mind with p+p in the title though
#27
The simple fact is, though, that if an item is under £15 (or £14.94 or whatever it is they allow) then you pay postage on it. So any thread started regarding a single item under £15 should have the postage price included. Am I the only one to whom that makes much more sense?
#28
No, i agree BristolDeal, i think there is 2 chats here, plus the now O/T'ed original post.
If less than £7.49 (£7 for Admin lol) then it should have the word filler ideally for me in the title as well as the word postage
If less than £14.99 it should have the postage, in brackets in the title
banned#29
BristolDeal
The simple fact is, though, that if an item is under £15 (or £14.94 or whatever it is they allow) then you pay postage on it. So any thread started regarding a single item under £15 should have the postage price included. Am I the only one to whom that makes much more sense?


no your not the only one, it makes sense to me too, last time it came up the team said everyone knows amazon is free postage over £15 so it doesnt really need posting or summat like that, but i,like you, think postage should be added if it is £15
#30
Oh don't worry, boydent, the other chat is over now anyway, haha!

Amazon postage costs can often make the difference between it being a good or a bad deal, so they're really important IMO. Oh! for the day when Amazon do free postage...
#31
Surely a filler would be anything between £0 and the actual price of the postage without the item?

i.e. it's pretty much a "free" item as your order would be the same price with or without it...
banned#32
duckmagicuk2
Surely a filler would be anything between £0 and the actual price of the postage without the item?

i.e. it's pretty much a "free" item as your order would be the same price with or without it...


it isnt free cause you paid for it, you either pay the postage or pay for the item - lol


slight lyoff topic ducky but do you know the trade in address for cpw
#33
Filler items, i dunno, i think what i prescribed was fairly easy to understand, implement and most of all, moderate.
Postage has to be included, if it is gonna get you at the checkout for an item that appears to be a bargain til you checkout.
#34
No more further thoughts then?
I'd sooner this wasn't ignored as other chats/feedback have done, and i take some responsibility for those, but we seem to be quite close here :)
#35
Admin
I don't know at what point something becomes a filler but I'd say at £7 it's not a filler it's an item. I would suggest not expiring it but rather reporting in and posting in the thread so that (a) a mod can fix the price and (b) other members see what the consensus is so they think of it in the future.



Thanks Admin. So what do you suggest we do when it it a Mod that made the thread and they totally ignore this policy, even when you point out the rules and your previous comments on the subject? e.g. Like here
#36
Bump.
[admin]#37
I think as said it should include the postage. Other sites offer free delivery and deserve to be recognised for that - never mind reducing confusion.

That deal is Expired nightswimmer.
#38
Admin
That deal is Expired nightswimmer.


:?

OK, a question for you that isn't about an Expired deal.

Please can you confirm that what you have said in this thread as well as the other rules and guidelines for the forum apply equally to posts made by the Moderators of this forum as they do to the normal users?
[admin]#39
nightswimmer
Please can you confirm that what you have said in this thread as well as the other rules and guidelines for the forum apply equally to posts made by the Moderators of this forum as they do to the normal users?


Of course they do.
#40
Admin
Of course they do.


Thank you.

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