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#1
I have been noticing this too.
The last two vouchers I put up have been voted cold by a couple of people, but no reason has been given. They weren't fantastic, 5% off pixmanias car section, and a free mp3 case, but would be useful to some people. And they haven't been posted before, and better vouchers haven't been available.
It just seems some people just don't like saving money =/
#2
this is a common post - i personally think it would be a good idea for people who vote cold to give a valid reason - good on them if they can find a deal cheaper than what we have posted - thats what we are here for - but to vote cold for no reason is not what the ethos of hukd is about

maybe some day admin will do something about it
#3
There are loads of threads about cold voting. Why not have a read of one of them?

Cold votes
banned#4
Yup.....far too many people with stupid reasons....

If its the cheapest, its hot end of....

Unfortunately its some of the more 'established' members doing it too
banned#5
Agreed...there are a lot of Cold voting posts out there....unfortunately no one has listened
#6
trytrytryagain;2421612
Why not 1 member,1 degree (and not 9)?

A member with 9 should better than to vote cold for the wrong reason...:thumbsup:
banned#7
ctuk;2421625
A member with 9 should better than to vote cold for the wrong reason...:thumbsup:

100% Agree.....unfortunately there are a few out there who do.....can't see this ever changing
#8
ctuk
A member with 9 should better than to vote cold for the wrong reason...:thumbsup:


There is no "Wrong" reason for voting cold.
#9
To be honest i stopped posting deals cos people were voting them cold and no reasons even though no prices could be found cheaper elsewhere - basically makes it all pointless really
banned#10
I absolutely agree but as usual it will fall upon deaf admin ears who do not seem to listen
#11
thesaint;2421639
There is no "Wrong" reason for voting cold.

Voting cold on a ps3 game because I'm a xbox fan is a wrong reason
banned#12
come on admin..what about an answer to the thread then.
#13
thesaint
There is no "Wrong" reason for voting cold.


So its ok for me to vote a deal cold because (examples) my ex girlfriends dad works there so its cold. Or the nearest store is >1 mile away?

Of course there are wrong reasons for voting cold, this site has an etiquette which i would like to think the majority of people would follow.

And it does seem to be 'old school' HUKD posters that are some of the worst culprits. Perhaps they should not abuse their 'power' of heat and just not vote if they personally do not like something.

BFM
#14
ctuk
Voting cold on a ps3 game because I'm a xbox fan is a wrong reason


In your opinion(and mine), but point to me where it says that this is wrong in the opinion of HUKD.

podd2000
I absolutely agree but as usual it will fall upon deaf admin ears who do not seem to listen


podd2000
come on admin..what about an answer to the thread then.


Admin has said many times, if he explained in every thread that is created in Feedback about cold voting, he wouldn't get anything done.

People need to read previous threads instead of creating new ones and wondering why they don't get a reponse.
banned#15
thesaint
In your opinion(and mine), but point to me where it says that this is wrong in the opinion of HUKD.





Admin has said many times, if he explained in every thread that is created in Feedback about cold voting, he wouldn't get anything done.

People need to read previous threads instead of creating new ones and wondering why they don't get a reponse.


Ok then if there as been so many thread on this topic why dont admin do something about it and take coments of the posters on board.
#16
i haven't got too much of a problem with the cold votes, for me its more about the nasty comments some people leave,
#17
podd2000
Ok then if there as been so many thread on this topic why dont admin do something about it and take coments of the posters on board.


Who said he has not explained himself numerous times before?
It's his site.
#18
podd2000;2421722
Ok then if there as been so many thread on this topic why dont admin do something about it and take coments of the posters on board.

Serial cold voters face a ban.
#19
Surely if there are so many posts on it (and i havent looked through them all yet) then why is (seemingly) nothing being done about it? I can understand the internet takes a back seat to real life but in order to get the most out of this site changes could be made.

I do not wish to come across as antagonistic i just get frustrated when valid deals are ruined with no reason why. I wish the best for ALL HUKD'ers, i do NOT believe that is the view of some.

BFM
banned#20
half my deals are voted cold, but in retorspect I think half the times people have good reasons for voting cold they might not be good with words or just dont feel the need to explain themselves (BTW 70-80% of my votes are nromally hot )
I dont think Admin really needs to step in, just went through the link given by The Saint and yes he has explained himself, unless if it really becomes a severe case.
Having said that I do think that if you have voted a deal cold and you see the temperature really falling like anything it would be nice to leave a line or two to give a headsup to the person who has put that deal on
banned#21
Good example of people cold voting for stupid reasons
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206995
#22
ODB_69;2423342
Good example of people cold voting for stupid reasons
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206995

just voted hot :thumbsup:
banned#23
ctuk;2423484
just voted hot :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:Cheers bud....

Has to be the most up and down deal ever...started hot, then cold, then hot, cold, hot.....ridiculous....all because people don't like her!
#24
voted hot for you too, try and get it back to warm at least :)

BFM
#25
In my opinion, the thread is not being voted on correctly, but I believe this is an abuse of the voting system to encourage hot votes via "Feedback".
banned#26
thesaint;2423917
In my opinion, the thread is not being voted on correctly, but I believe this is an abuse of the voting system to encourage hot votes via Feedback".




I never asked for anyone to vote it hot..that was never the point....I don't really care if it gets voted hot or not...I do care though that people are voting wrongly!


I think you know full well thats not my intention and are yet again having a dig....

Feel free Saint to vote cold....I'm sure you have already...I genuinely don't care about hot/cold voting but I do when its done wrong or for petty differences....
#27
ODB_69
I never asked for anyone to vote it hot..that was never the point....I don't really care if it gets voted hot or not...


I never said that you asked for it to be voted hot, would you say "Cheers :thumbsup:" to someone that posted in this thread that they voted your deal cold?

ODB_69
I do care though that people are voting wrongly!


In your opinion

ODB_69

I think you know full well thats not my intention and are yet again having a dig....


I can't ever remember questioning anything you have said without you questioning me 1st, could you provide a link?

ODB_69

Feel free Saint to vote cold....I'm sure you have already...I genuinely don't care about hot/cold voting but I do when its done wrong or for petty differences....


How sure are you?, or is that another assumption?
#28
Dont turn this thread into an excuse to have a go, there is no need. The wholepoint is to have a whinge about the state of some peoples voting. It perhaps could do with being highlighted how to make a good judgement of a deal, and that it has nothing to do with anything other than the damn price being the lowest about. Thats it, nothing else.

I beleive that, as seems to be the case, if a lot of people are highlighting this (in my opinion, dangerous word huh) problem with HUKD then it will get fixed at some stage. Again, i really think the admin and site runners are doing an excellent job, and for the most part so are we posters. Perhaps we should just think a little before we vote.

BFM
#29
BurningFeetMan
and that it has nothing to do with anything other than the damn price being the lowest about. Thats it, nothing else.


Again, can you point this out to me anywhere?
[mod]#30
I never get this argument.............as long as the post helps 1 person then it was worthwhile whether it was -1000 or +1000.

Also, good deals always even themselves in the end.

I think the main problem is that people here are putting too much importance on getting a hot deal and rep and that is 99% of the motivation for many people posting. It should be to help others and not for bragging rights.
#31
thesaint
Again, can you point this out to me anywhere?


What exactly would you like me to point out to you?
2 Likes #32
Syzable
I never get this argument.............as long as the post helps 1 person then it was worthwhile whether it was -1000 or +1000.

Also, good deals always even themselves in the end.

I think the main problem is that people here are putting too much importance on getting a hot deal and rep and that is 99% of the motivation for many people posting. It should be to help others and not for bragging rights.


Whilst reluctant to get caught up in this debate again ( http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/141536/some-feedback-please-on-posting-dea/ ) I have to partially disagree with you Sy.

I think it's natural that anyone who posts a deal wants to see it do well. I don't see anything wrong with that, it's like having pride in your work in my eyes.

I also don't think people mind if they post a deal and it gets voted cold providing there is a genuine reason for it. Again I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling a bit miffed if you've taken the effort to post a deal and then it get's slammed but nobody bothers to tell you why.

As for the debate that deals always even themselves out I'm not so sure that happens all the time. The site moves so quickly now I believe deals get buried very quickly and those that get cold voted get buried even quicker.
I know through experimenting that if I post a deal early am it will be voted cold very quickly and is likely to disappear very quickly also. If I post the same deal later on then I stand a better chance of the deal surviving longer.

This is specifically true of deals that are not run of the mill, deals that have limited appeal if you like.

As for your last paragraph I totally agree it should not be down to bragging rights or rep or whatever. Like you say If I can help 1 person then that's good.
I still don't see that serial cold voters or cold voting should be allowed to carry on though whatever and I honestly do think this puts a lot of people off posting deals. I really do think it's a natural reaction to feel aggrieved.

Of course all the above is just my honest opinion but it does seem more and more members are becoming aware of the problem.
I don't know if Admin or the Mods keep any hard facts on this, I know cold voting is monitored but it would be interesting to know to what extent.
It would also be interesting to know just how much posting of deals has increased or decreased since the site change.

Regards :)
1 Like #33
Thank you hottoshop for taking the time to explain this in a different, far more diplomatic, way than i did :)

I am glad that others do agree with the point of my original post (and yes i apologise, it has been covered before many times) and i hope that Admin will one day address the issue. For the mean time i think we should all take that little extra time to post every time we vote hot or cold, it would make HUKD a more informative place to be :)

BFM
#34
I wonder if it would help if deals were given a baseline temperature of zero or one degrees. No real reason for deals to be considered sub-zero - people are less likely to be upset if there deal is not hot than if it is cold.
#35
Well one of mine was getting so cold at -378 I had to expire it. just seemed to me that people were missing the point. The item could not be had brand new anywhere else cheaper but since they didnt like something (ie the type of music, the price in general, the related film, me - who knows) ot went cold and it just snowballed. There were a few that gave it heat cos they understood the concept of it. In my opinion if the product is not something somebody wants then just dont vote on it. Give it cold if you can get it cheaper (and then it would be helpful to say where) then the item can be expired. No big deal but no point posting for some clowns to just go on and make everything cold regardless which is what is happening i think. If people see things cold they tend to skip by those items.
#36
A good deal will get voted hot a not so hot deal will get voted cold (most of the time ) so just get over it and move on. So what if its voted cold its only a vote how can you try to tell people how to vote its not Zimbabwe its hduk.
#37
waterloo
A good deal will get voted hot a not so hot deal will get voted cold (most of the time ) so just get over it and move on. So what if its voted cold its only a vote how can you try to tell people how to vote its not Zimbabwe its hduk.


But the whole point is to get a representation of how good the deal is for the item. If its not happening why have the whole voting thing at all?
#38
Sorry but i have to vote your argument COLD.
banned#39
hottoshop
Whilst reluctant to get caught up in this debate again ( http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/141536/some-feedback-please-on-posting-dea/ ) I have to partially disagree with you Sy.

I think it's natural that anyone who posts a deal wants to see it do well. I don't see anything wrong with that, it's like having pride in your work in my eyes.

I also don't think people mind if they post a deal and it gets voted cold providing there is a genuine reason for it. Again I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling a bit miffed if you've taken the effort to post a deal and then it get's slammed but nobody bothers to tell you why.

As for the debate that deals always even themselves out I'm not so sure that happens all the time. The site moves so quickly now I believe deals get buried very quickly and those that get cold voted get buried even quicker.
I know through experimenting that if I post a deal early am it will be voted cold very quickly and is likely to disappear very quickly also. If I post the same deal later on then I stand a better chance of the deal surviving longer.

This is specifically true of deals that are not run of the mill, deals that have limited appeal if you like.

As for your last paragraph I totally agree it should not be down to bragging rights or rep or whatever. Like you say If I can help 1 person then that's good.
I still don't see that serial cold voters or cold voting should be allowed to carry on though whatever and I honestly do think this puts a lot of people off posting deals. I really do think it's a natural reaction to feel aggrieved.

Of course all the above is just my honest opinion but it does seem more and more members are becoming aware of the problem.
I don't know if Admin or the Mods keep any hard facts on this, I know cold voting is monitored but it would be interesting to know to what extent.
It would also be interesting to know just how much posting of deals has increased or decreased since the site change.

Regards :)




The best answer that I have read so far !!!

cheers mate
[mod] 1 Like #40
hottoshop;2426744


I think it's natural that anyone who posts a deal wants to see it do well. I don't see anything wrong with that, it's like having pride in your work in my eyes.

I also don't think people mind if they post a deal and it gets voted cold providing there is a genuine reason for it. Again I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling a bit miffed if you've taken the effort to post a deal and then it get's slammed but nobody bothers to tell you why.

Regards :)


Good reply.......we are rarities...........we're not arguing or insulting each other. :lol:

The only part i disagree on is that with a lot of deals (not all) the effort is not there like it used to be............there are not as many genuine bargains as there were a couple of years ago as what tends to happen now is someone will post a deal or voucher and then people are just rehashing the same deal as their own rather than posting in the same thread to keep the original one alive. Also, a lot of the deals that are posted i don't vote on myself as they are just things i've received in e-mails myself earlier in the day/evening.

Also there are so many duplicates now.......i'm sure more so than ever before.

Whilst i agree that in some cases a cold vote reason should be given, in others, if the OP had spent a small amount of time researching the deal they would have found that it's cheaper elsewhere or that it had already been posted. Most of us (myself included) have posted dupes but in some cases it's obvious they haven't bothered to look.

I think it's far worse the people who cold vote purely because they hate Tesco, Littlewoods etc than those who cold vote because they don't find the product good value for money. I'm of the belief that just because the item is £5-10 cheaper at X compared to Y doesn't always make it a good deal as there are more factors than that such as quality of the item etc. :)

But again this is just my opinion........it's good to debate. :)

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