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#1
OP fully agree,this has been going on for long enough,the person in question contributes nothing to the site,never helps,just trolls constantly

I thought that multiple infractions in a small period of time led to longer and longer suspensions.this cannot be the case as the person in question has been suspended 3 times in two weeks for the same amount of time
1 Like #2
the usual thing is if you do something wrong once, you get a 48hr ban, then a week, then a month and if you continue to do the same thing wrong, you get perma banned.

in this case, none of the above has been applied and yes, I think it is about time mods clarified this issue as it is clearly a case of double standards.
banned#3
He aksed a question - a valid question - within feedback. But since you want to try to make this a Misc thread and make that claim about "Who are we trying to get banned now?", perhaps the mods could clarify if Skusey or you make the most reports to the mods.

My guess is there is no one on this site that comes remotely close to the number you make and the strange satisfaction the words "Suspended" means to you. Quite sad really.
#4
guv
He aksed a question - a valid question - within feedback. But since you want to try to make this a Misc thread and make that claim about "Who are we trying to get banned now?", perhaps the mods could clarify if Skusey or you make the most reports to the mods.

My guess is there is no one on this site that comes remotely close to the number you make and the strange satisfaction the words "Suspended" means to you. Quite sad really.


+ 1 million:thumbsup:
#5
I thought there was limitation on suspensions that eventually resulted in a ban?
#6
guv
He aksed a question - a valid question - within feedback. But since you want to try to make this a Misc thread and make that claim about "Who are we trying to get banned now?", perhaps the mods could clarify if Skusey or you make the most reports to the mods.

My guess is there is no one on this site that comes remotely close to the number you make and the strange satisfaction the words "Suspended" means to you. Quite sad really.



I report when the post causes offence, full stop.
That is why it's there, good comment Guv BTW
#7
Adam2050
I thought there was limitation on suspensions that eventually resulted in a ban?



appears not
#8
Thanks for removing trolling post mods
#9
DudeyGeeza
the usual thing is if you do something wrong once, you get a 48hr ban, then a week, then a month and if you continue to do the same thing wrong, you get perma banned.

in this case, none of the above has been applied and yes, I think it is about time mods clarified this issue as it is clearly a case of double standards.


I always thought this was the case too. Maybe there are different rules for suspensions incurred in Misc.

The advantage of a points system would be better for more frequent but less serious transgressions. For example - mods seem reluctant to infract for incorrectly spamming or expiring - they might be more willing to give someone a point.

The points suggestion is a good idea but at the end of the day it has to be enforced. The suspension escalation is probably equally as good but its not being enforced........the same would probably happen to a points system.
#10
I think if it was a misc suspension rule as gari suggested. Then maybe there just should be a longer time period ban from misc for example if repetative.
#11
If you don't like what a member says that much, put them on ignore. I know who you are talking about, and a lot of what they say is cleverly worded so that it is open to being taken the wrong way (although I do find quite a bit of what they say quite humourous...... I don't take them seriously, but do find some of it funny, regardless). That's just their style of posting, which people should be used to by now.

At the end of the day it's an internet forum, and not really worth the big fuss that some people on here kick up about things.. If it's really come to the point that it bothers you that much, I'd say it was time to log off, shut down your computer and go outside for some fresh air :)
banned#12
midlandscomics;6227458
If you don't like what a member says that much, put them on ignore. I know who you are talking about, and a lot of what they say is cleverly worded so that it is open to being taken the wrong way (although I do find quite a bit of what they say quite humourous...... I don't take them seriously, but do find some of it funny, regardless). That's just their style of posting, which people should be used to by now.

At the end of the day it's an internet forum, and not really worth the big fuss that some people on here kick up about things.. If it's really come to the point that it bothers you that much, I'd say it was time to log off, shut down your computer and go outside for some fresh air :)

+1

although I'd be interested in what is the correct suspension procedure as this 'member' does seem to be 'offline' at least once a week for 24 hours :-D
#13
DudeyGeeza
the usual thing is if you do something wrong once, you get a 48hr ban, then a week, then a month and if you continue to do the same thing wrong, you get perma banned.

in this case, none of the above has been applied and yes, I think it is about time mods clarified this issue as it is clearly a case of double standards.


It's been clarified in earlier threads in "feedback", it comes up whenever a thread wanting a member banned is submitted.

gari189
Its very rare that they do this - I'm only aware of 2 - Hustler and Harvie316


Glad you edited that, as it wasn't true. :thumbsup:
There have been plenty of name changes on HUKD :thumbsup:
#14
thesaint
Glad you edited that, as it wasn't true. :thumbsup:


It is true but I felt it was off-topic and unfair to bring it into this thread.....
#15
midlandscomics
If you don't like what a member says that much, put them on ignore. I know who you are talking about, and a lot of what they say is cleverly worded so that it is open to being taken the wrong way (although I do find quite a bit of what they say quite humourous...... I don't take them seriously, but do find some of it funny, regardless). That's just their style of posting, which people should be used to by now.

At the end of the day it's an internet forum, and not really worth the big fuss that some people on here kick up about things.. If it's really come to the point that it bothers you that much, I'd say it was time to log off, shut down your computer and go outside for some fresh air :)


its not about putting someone on ignore,its about the fact that a member is clearly posting offensive content hence the regular suspensions,surely posting constant offensive content as is happening(again evidenced by suspensions) should be dealt with by a harsher punishment as the member is not learning from his mistakes
#16
thesaint
It's been clarified in earlier threads in "feedback", it comes up whenever a thread wanting a member banned is submitted.


Weather clarified in another thread or not, the stance made by the moderator team is too variable, hence the need for this thread. It's not about banning a specific person, it relates to a wider issue, that there is obvious differences in the way cirtain moderators deal with cirtain forum members. Whatever those reasons are, the rules should be the same accross the board and enforced to the letter each time.
#17
thesaint
It's been clarified in earlier threads in "feedback", it comes up whenever a thread wanting a member banned is submitted.



Glad you edited that, as it wasn't true. :thumbsup:
There have been plenty of name changes on HUKD :thumbsup:


please stop trying to incite negative responses in this thread

your earlier posts were deleted by mods for the same reason
#18
boothy
its not about putting someone on ignore,its about the fact that a member is clearly posting offensive content hence the regular suspensions,surely posting constant offensive content as is happening(again evidenced by suspensions) should be dealt with by a harsher punishment as the member is not learning from his mistakes


Each to their own really. I suppose it depends on how easily offended you are. I can honestly say that said member has never posted anything that has offended me (when I've seen them post in a thread). At the same time it probably would take a lot for someone to post something on that internet that bothered me unless aimed directly at me.

I agree that if someone isn't learning from being suspended that they should be suspended for longer the next time, but I suppose it's at the mods' discretion as to how serious the 'offence' was. If someone gives their opinion on something, no matter how controversial (you've got to remember that however much you feel that this person is trolling, there's no way of proving that it's not how they really feel on a subject) I don't think that always deserves a suspension just because people disagree with them.
#19
DudeyGeeza
. It's not about banning a specific person,


From the opening post.

One member on here is suspended nearly every week for trolling which, in my opinion is thoroughly deserved but he/she/it thrives on it and comes back bigger and braver the next time (usually after a 24hr suspension).


Seems to be about a specific member to me.

DudeyGeeza
Weather clarified in another thread or not, the stance made by the moderator team is too variable, hence the need for this thread. it relates to a wider issue, that there is obvious differences in the way cirtain moderators deal with cirtain forum members. Whatever those reasons are, the rules should be the same accross the board and enforced to the letter each time.


Asking for absolute rules would lead to many more claims by members for discretion, and unfair decisions. when a member was banned for trolling last year, there was uproar, and I see her name being brought up every week as if an injustice had been done.

The mods are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Letting the lunatics run the asylum is never a step in the right direction.
#20
midlandscomics
Each to their own really. I suppose it depends on how easily offended you are. I can honestly say that said member has never posted anything that has offended me (when I've seen them post in a thread). At the same time it probably would take a lot for someone to post something on that internet that bothered me unless aimed directly at me.

I agree that if someone isn't learning from being suspended that they should be suspended for longer the next time, but I suppose it's at the mods' discretion as to how serious the 'offence' was. If someone gives their opinion on something, no matter how controversial (you've got to remember that however much you feel that this person is trolling, there's no way of proving that it's not how they really feel on a subject) I don't think that always deserves a suspension just because people disagree with them.



agree,and wasn't having a pop at you in anyway:)

just wanted to clarify what we were talking about:thumbsup:
#21
boothy
agree,and wasn't having a pop at you in anyway:)

just wanted to clarify what we were talking about:thumbsup:


Nah it's cool, didn't think you were anyway :thumbsup: As I put above, I'm not easily offended :lol:
#22
another witch hunt i see

there are a number of members who troll the site in various ways and guises which are not all so transparent as the member you appear to be refering to.

its a forum so just get on with it .......... the reponses to trolling posts are as bad as the 1's made in the first place and its the same people whinging about it constantly which are just as bad imo as it fuels the fire and causes uneccesasry grief with petty vendettas.. so take a step back and have a look at what you are whinging about and make a choice to not respond ie ignore and the problem will take care of itself.....otherwise i think there would be a few other members not expecting to be banned included in this if it were to be actioned in the way described in the op
banned#23
skusey
Thanks for removing trolling post mods


Seems he didnt learn!!!!!!

thesaint
It's been clarified in earlier threads in "feedback", it comes up whenever a thread wanting a member banned is submitted.


FFS he wants clarification on how the system works. Is there a limit to the number of times one person can be suspended? Does being suspended every week tell the mods something?

Except you want to turn this into a "Misc thread" - like you ALWAYS do. Funny that. Did you not learn by your previous reply in this thread that's already been removed for trolling?



thesaint
From the opening post.
Seems to be about a specific member to me.


It might well be true that noticing that a specific member spends more time suspended than being allowed to post prompted this post. However, its NOT about that person. Its clarification from the mods on how the rules work.

Asking for absolute rules would lead to many more claims by members for discretion, and unfair decisions. when a member was banned for trolling last year, there was uproar, and I see her name being brought up every week as if an injustice had been done.

The mods are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Letting the lunatics run the asylum is never a step in the right direction.


That's pretty much why you'll never be a mod.

BTW - I wouldn't wish for the person in question to be banned. He can be annoying and obviously does things to provoke. There are a few I couldn't say that about though.
banned#24
casparwhite
another witch hunt i see

there are a number of members who troll the site in various ways and guises which are not all so transparent as the member you appear to be refering to.

its a forum so just get on with it .......... the reponses to trolling posts are as bad as the 1's made in the first place and its the same people whinging about it constantly which are just as bad imo as it fuels the fire and causes uneccesasry grief with petty vendettas.. so take a step back and have a look at what you are whinging about and make a choice to not respond ie ignore and the problem will take care of itself.....otherwise i think there would be a few other members not expecting to be banned included in this if it were to be actioned in the way described in the op


totally agree, and have been party to this myself
#25
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2408653&postcount=2

28-06-2008, 01:04
emmajk42 says:

Not really.... as it is based on your previous conduct. This is the general pattern, but mods can give out any punishment at all, basing it on the severity of the offence.

1.1st offence: Warning (Yellow card)
2.2nd offence:1 day suspension
3.3rd offence: 3 day suspension
4.4th offence: 5 day suspension
5.5th offence: 2 week suspension
6.6th offence: 1 month suspension

Has this changed??

It seems to me that there has been a definite change in the ways that sanctions are applied and the ways that the mods interpret the rules. Where the rules say 'ban' e.g. for spammimg then that is not applied as far as I know. Where I had the impression that it was any offence that carried infractions and added up, now it seems to be repetition of offences and even that seems to be applied randomly.

I know that mods have discretion and I know that to be too prescriptive would require a code of conduct far too long and not all situations can be covered but in my opinion it is time for some clarification.

On the same lines, I still cannot get my head around the infraction rather than ban for a person setting up multi IDs and the multi accounts being banned. If rules are being 'changed' by the everyday practice of mods then the code should also be changed and transparent.
#26
casparwhite
another witch hunt i see

there are a number of members who troll the site in various ways and guises which are not all so transparent as the member you appear to be refering to.

its a forum so just get on with it .......... the reponses to trolling posts are as bad as the 1's made in the first place and its the same people whinging about it constantly which are just as bad imo as it fuels the fire and causes uneccesasry grief with petty vendettas.. so take a step back and have a look at what you are whinging about and make a choice to not respond ie ignore and the problem will take care of itself.....otherwise i think there would be a few other members not expecting to be banned included in this if it were to be actioned in the way described in the op


please read my question again, then come back:thumbsup:
#27


Thanks Chesso, thats the answer I wanted:thumbsup:
banned#28
skusey
Thanks Chesso, thats the answer I wanted:thumbsup:


Not sure if it has tbh.

It only went up to 6 !!!!!
#29
guv
Not sure if it has tbh.

It only went up to 6 !!!!!


agree, but at least it helps
#30
skusey
Thanks Chesso, thats the answer I wanted:thumbsup:


:thumbsup:
I've added a few of my thoughts now ^^ :thinking:
banned#31
NOTE PENALTIES FOR BREACHING THESE RULES

The following is a rough guide, but it is within the moderators’ discretion to make decisions based on individual circumstances. Some offences may result in an immediate suspension, including but not limited to the following:
1.Trading by PM or 'Private Message' only
2.Offering or requesting pirated/copyright material
3.Posting links to the same item being sold elsewhere (e.g. on eBay)
4.Ignoring moderators requests for information
5.Persistent bumping after warning from a moderator
6.Repeatedly posting or creating new threads for the same items
7.Relisting before seven days have passed from the date a thread for the same items is closed
8.Trades not fully entered into after acceptance in thread
Such offences can lead to the following site-wide suspensions:
1.1st offence: 0 point infraction warning (Yellow card) or one point infraction (Red card)
2.2nd offence: 2 point infraction resulting in a 1 day suspension
3.3rd offence: 4 point infraction resulting in a 3 day suspension
4.4th offence: 6 point infraction resulting in a 5 day suspension
5.5th offence: 8 point infraction resulting in a 2 week suspension
6.6th offence: 10 point infraction resulting in a 1 month suspension
7.7th offence: 12 point infraction resulting in a full or permanent ban


7th offence in the fs rule is full or permanent ban, not sure what the difference is, but this is only for fs board offences
banned#32
chesso
On the same lines, I still cannot get my head around the infraction rather than ban for a person setting up multi IDs and the multi accounts being banned. If rules are being 'changed' by the everyday practice of mods then the code should also be changed and transparent.


That seems to be a weird one.

You can be banned for requesting another member vote on a deal, but multiple accounts are a mere slap on the wrist.

Is it any wonder there appear to be more and more posters with minimal post count, but seem to know the score quite well?

PS is there something you need to tell us Chesso... or is it..........**********
#33
midlandscomics
If you don't like what a member says that much, put them on ignore. I know who you are talking about, and a lot of what they say is cleverly worded so that it is open to being taken the wrong way (although I do find quite a bit of what they say quite humourous...... I don't take them seriously, but do find some of it funny, regardless). That's just their style of posting, which people should be used to by now.

At the end of the day it's an internet forum, and not really worth the big fuss that some people on here kick up about things.. If it's really come to the point that it bothers you that much, I'd say it was time to log off, shut down your computer and go outside for some fresh air :)


Could not agree more and tbh, I think it's half the reason misc is dead now, unless you are nicey nicey and agree with eveyones point of view, it's frowned upon. There is just no dynamic anymore. Too much in fighting, "trolls" vs "troll hunters" , nicey, nicey and those in the middle who CBA. There is just no middle ground there are some people I am sure who report posts just because it's someone they don't like rather than take the post itself at face value. People seem to go out of their way to be offended, it's bonkers.

Having a difference opinion against the majority or being able to debate issues, or not being cuddly/flirty or whatever, does not make you a troll.
I mean just a theory here, could mods maybe a bit more lenient with some people, for example I have seen posts and cry of troll, when the person has made NO personal attacks, or shown no personal vendetta, a simple difference of opinion, or controversial point of view, or none of the above and you see........"reported".

Maybe if there is a large enough group of people reporting the same people again and again, which I have seen a mod say somewhre, it's alway the same people infighting, the mods may just act to appease the masses but really start to wonder why the same group of people go out of their way to be offended? It may seem like harassing to the mods if they are seeing the same old clicky fingers against the same members, hence some leniency, maybe, just a thought.
#34
tinkerbell28
Could not agree more and tbh, I think it's half the reason misc is dead now, unless you are nicey nicey and agree with eveyones point of view, it's frowned upon. There is just no dynamic anymore. Too much in fighting, "trolls" vs "troll hunters" , nicey, nicey and those in the middle who CBA. There is just no middle ground there are some people I am sure who report posts just because it's someone they don't like rather than take the post itself at face value. People seem to go out of their way to be offended, it's bonkers.

Having a difference opinion against the majority or being able to debate issues, or not being cuddly/flirty or whatever, does not make you a troll.
I mean just a theory here, could mods maybe a bit more lenient with some people, for example I have seen posts and cry of troll, when the person has made NO personal attacks, or shown no personal vendetta, a simple difference of opinion, or controversial point of view, or none of the above and you see........"reported".

Maybe if there is a large enough group of people reporting the same people again and again, which I have seen a mod say somewhre, it's alway the same people infighting, the mods may just act to appease the masses but really start to wonder why the same group of people go out of their way to be offended? It may seem like harassing to the mods if they are seeing the same old clicky fingers against the same members, hence some leniency, maybe, just a thought.

Can you stick to the point? This thread is about the escalation of suspensions which isn't being enforced. Now if you want to start a general discussion about troll threads there are plenty in feedback to voice your opinion in (most of which all the arguments have been discussed over and over).
#35
gari189
Can you stick to the point? This thread is about the escalation of suspensions which isn't being enforced. Now if you want to start a general discussion about troll threads there are plenty in feedback to voice your opinion in (most of which all the arguments have been discussed over and over).


I was sticking to the point, that maybe if it's the same people, reporting the same people time and time again, (which it probably is) it may look like a vendetta, so the mods maybe showing leniency, just a theory but quite a plausible one . What offends one person, may not offend another, so if it's only a certain group of people being "offended" that may explain why the "punishment" does not seem to follow others, it's mod discretion it it not?
#36
tinkerbell28
it may look like a vendetta, so the mods maybe showing leniency, just a theory but quite a plausible one .

I completely agree with you on that point........and there is also leniency shown to those who spam threads that don't merit spamming

However shouldn't the mods show consistency? Why have one rule for some and another rule for all others?
#37
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/473053/clever-trolling-allowed/

yet again this topic raises its ugly head in a slightly different variant.

so to appease skusey and wrap this thread up could a mod explain why filth isn't banned permantly?
banned#38
gari189
I completely agree with you on that point...........but then shouldn't the mods show consistency? Why have one rule for one and another rule for all others?


in my three years on here there are very, very few posts in misc i have ever reported, im talking a handful so if members are continualy reporting posts in misc maybe its the reporters activities that need looking into rather than the reported posts
#39
gari189
I completely agree with you on that point........and there is also leniency shown to those who spam threads that don't merit spamming

However shouldn't the mods show consistency? Why have one rule for some and another rule for all others?


Yes I agree consistency would be helpful but it's impossible when you are talking about "trolling" and people being suspended as they were reported for offending others.
If it's the same people being "offended" and reporting, you would take a step back and think hold on why is no one else reporting this, or do this set group just want this person suspended.

Although we sit at a computer, we are all people, who will have feelings and opinions, people are capable of winding others up, bullying, etc and that's why mod discretion is important, not to take every report just at face value, but they need to take account of reports over time, who is involved etc, to see if a pattern of a vendetta or bullying imerges, so as long as you have mod discretion, you won't have consistency as they have access to more info than we do.

ants97
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/473053/clever-trolling-allowed/

yet again this topic raises its ugly head in a slightly different variant.

so to appease skusey and wrap this thread up could a mod explain why filth isn't banned permantly?


That's the thread I was looking for, ta:thumbsup: So it has already been said, this is basically just one big infight between a certain group and as a mod says it's the SAME people every time.
#40
skusey
please read my question again, then come back:thumbsup:


i have and all i can see is another witch hunt as stated before.....worded slightly different

same members, same crap:roll:

trolling in a differnt way imo

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