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#1
If they've done something wrong, they should be suspended. What happens if it takes 3-4 days to get the item to you, but in that time they break a load more rules?

As long as you've followed the FS guidelines and got their full contact details (landline number etc) there shouldn't be a problem :)
banned#2
the buyer needs to protect themselves by following the guidelines, so shall we do this also with the known scammers, wait till they ripped off 100s of members whilst members wait for their items
[admin]#3
As already advised, you should be obtaining secondary contact details, phone number etc before exchanging funds.
Members breaching forum rules will be suspended at the time of the offence, not at a later date.
banned#4
Following the guide lines means naff and you know it.

If a person lives in Aberdeen and I live in Birmingham what monkeys do the guidelines do? I have been ripped off on Ebay more than once, has buyer protection, full name and address etc, and so what? They withdraw their PayPal funds and ignore all contact. Not worth the small claims court because if the person has bad credit in the first place they will just laugh at you.

So can they not tell the seller they have a temp seller suspension in place and not a full suspension? At least this way the member is still a member of the forum and will not feel so peed off about being kicked off the site?

What I am saying that suspending a member can upset them and some may take it the wrong way, especially if they have a load of cash in the bank. They may just decide to call it a day on the site.

But if they are given a just a warning and a trader suspension for a short while but keep them on the site then that would soften the blow and hopefully never give them any second thought about giving up the site.

Oh and thanks for looking after your members by warning them that if they have not yet paid then do not do so as the member is about to be suspended!!

Not even an email to tell me they have been suspended.

Again, pathetic.
#5
BeemerMad
Following the guide lines means naff and you know it.

If a person lives in Aberdeen and I live in Birmingham what monkeys do the guidelines do? I have been ripped off on Ebay more than once, has buyer protection, full name and address etc, and so what? They withdraw their PayPal funds and ignore all contact. Not worth the small claims court because if the person has bad credit in the first place they will just laugh at you.

So can they not tell the seller they have a temp seller suspension in place and not a full suspension? At least this way the member is still a member of the forum and will not feel so peed off about being kicked off the site?

What I am saying that suspending a member can upset them and some may take it the wrong way, especially if they have a load of cash in the bank. They may just decide to call it a day on the site.

But if they are given a just a warning and a trader suspension for a short while but keep them on the site then that would soften the blow and hopefully never give them any second thought about giving up the site.

Oh and thanks for looking after your members by warning them that if they have not yet paid then do not do so as the member is about to be suspended!!

Not even an email to tell me they have been suspended.

Again, pathetic.


No one is making you buy stuff from here.... if long-distance sales (and possible risks that go with them) cause you such a concern, don't do them :)
banned#6
BeemerMad
Following the guide lines means naff and you know it.

If a person lives in Aberdeen and I live in Birmingham what monkeys do the guidelines do? I have been ripped off on Ebay more than once, has buyer protection, full name and address etc, and so what? They withdraw their PayPal funds and ignore all contact. Not worth the small claims court because if the person has bad credit in the first place they will just laugh at you.

So can they not tell the seller they have a temp seller suspension in place and not a full suspension? At least this way the member is still a member of the forum and will not feel so peed off about being kicked off the site?

What I am saying that suspending a member can upset them and some may take it the wrong way, especially if they have a load of cash in the bank. They may just decide to call it a day on the site.

But if they are given a just a warning and a trader suspension for a short while but keep them on the site then that would soften the blow and hopefully never give them any second thought about giving up the site.

Oh and thanks for looking after your members by warning them that if they have not yet paid then do not do so as the member is about to be suspended!!

Not even an email to tell me they have been suspended.
Again, pathetic.


what do you suggest, the mods look through every thread ofthe suspended member and email everyone, jeeze you dont want much, if people are gona rip you off they gonna rip you off, naff all to do with a suspension, maybe you should look into the said members threads, or check the rules, you may not care about them but it may help you not trade with someone who is gonna get suspended for breaking them
banned#7
Jesus you lot are unreal. Of course no one is making me buy from here, but no one told me they were suspending someone with MY MONEY!!!

It is ok to suspend someone and sod the person who has just paid them!! Thanks a lot!!

Why can't they just suspend them from trading until the buyer has informed the mods of safe delivery of the item? You clearly in this case are not looking after my best interests.

And again, why no message or warning from the mods? Totally wrong way to run a forum!!
#8
BeemerMad
Jesus you lot are unreal. Of course no one is making me buy from here, but no one told me they were suspending someone with MY MONEY!!!

It is ok to suspend someone and sod the person who has just paid them!! Thanks a lot!!

Why can't they just suspend them from trading until the buyer has informed the mods of safe delivery of the item? You clearly in this case are not looking after my best interests.

And again, why no message or warning from the mods? Totally wrong way to run a forum!!


If you got all the details from the seller , ie postal address, landline number etc you wouldn't have to worry whether they have been suspended surely? :whistling:
banned#9
sassie
what do you suggest, the mods look through every thread ofthe suspended member and email everyone, jeeze you dont want much, if people are gona rip you off they gonna rip you off, naff all to do with a suspension, maybe you should look into the said members threads, or check the rules, you may not care about them but it may help you not trade with someone who is gonna get suspended for breaking them


Look through said thread? The member had 70+ feedback, how the heck do I know they are going to get suspended?

Also why not warn me?

And why the heck would the mods have to trail through a thread?

Only one item for sale and obviously the final few posts are the clincher.

And anyway, if it were a long thread, why shoudl a mod not go through it? that is what they are there for, flipping heck what are you on?
#10
If u had followed the guidelines you'd have other means of contacting the seller to sort it out, have a joke about the mods suspending them etc, and there wouldn't be a problem..
#11
so you sent £137 without getting any other details?
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/481915/apple-iphone-8gb-2g-unlocked/

high feedback or not I would have got all the details

Why is there suspicion that you may have been scammed anyway,transaction only happened last night

Its not the mods responsibility,all trades are at your own risk,if you want protection use ebay
banned#12
esq3585
If you got all the details from the seller , ie postal address, landline number etc you wouldn't have to worry whether they have been suspended surely? :whistling:


Read the thread please, that means nothing, what I am on about is the incentive for a member to do a runner with a lot of money BECAUSE they have been suspended.

That is my main point here, it does not matter what details I have on them, the point most members will not do a runner and I am certain my sale will be fine, BUT my point it some mebers WILL get peed off for being booted AND do a runner with the money.

it can and will happen if it does not get sorted.

And again, you are all dodging a main point (you can tell site fans a mile off), why did I not get a warning not to pay the person or even told about the suspension?
[mod]#13
BeemerMad
..... Why can't they just suspend them from trading until the buyer has informed the mods of safe delivery of the item?


Once a sale has been agreed you are allowed to contact the buyer through the external details you would have obtained as previously highlighted (eg give them a call etc):

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/482308/do-you-think-this-is-encouraging-pe/showpost.php?p=6314966&postcount=9

We can only advise members as to the correct sales process, but if they do not follow the guidelines & fail to obtain contact details then unfortunately they will need to wait until the relevant suspension has ended before contacting their seller via PM. Once a rule has been breached we also update the relevant sales thread & would advise buyers to check there as well until sales are completed.
banned#14
BeemerMad
Look through said thread? The member had 70+ feedback, how the heck do I know they are going to get suspended?

Also why not warn me?

And why the heck would the mods have to trail through a thread?

Only one item for sale and obviously the final few posts are the clincher.

And anyway, if it were a long thread, why shoudl a mod not go through it? that is what they are there for, flipping heck what are you on?


Oh so we are just referring to your deal, just this member, not anyone esle, you want the rules changed just for you and who you trade with? Memebers on here can have more than one for sale thread running, they could have deals going on in 20 threads, 30 threads, if you had known the rules you would not have paid as you where clearly informed by t0mm he was profiteering, the rules also clearly state you cannot use hukd to profiteer, take reponsibility for yourself rather than trying to blame everyone else
#15
BeemerMad
Look through said thread? The member had 70+ feedback, how the heck do I know they are going to get suspended?

Also why not warn me?

And why the heck would the mods have to trail through a thread?

[COLOR="Red"]Only one item[/COLOR] for sale and obviously the final few posts are the clincher.

And anyway, if it were a long thread, why shoudl a mod not go through it? that is what they are there for, flipping heck what are you on?


What if they'd got other threads open, with 10s of items sold in each one. Do you think mods should then have to trawl through these to contact each buyer :?

Scams happen, and I'd say buy the amount of threads in FS on here only a tiny, tiny percentage turn out pear-shaped (probably no more or no less than any other site). It's a risk you take when buying off the internet, but I think you're going OTT in this instance.
banned#16
Again, your too busy to send a message but your on the case of spammers and stuff straight away.

You clearly do not care about your members, it would have taken all of 30 seconds to message me with a warning, these rules need sorting out big time.

And again I keep repeating, it does not matter about contact details, the point is if a member gets peed off from being suspended and want to do a runner they will do it anyway, so the point of the mater is suspending members before they complete a transaction could be the main cause of one of your members losing their hard earned.

You obviously are not looking at it from this point of view.
#17
So what your whinning at is the fact the member is suspended due to breaking the rules and you have bought an item from them?

Hes a good honest user.
banned#18
sassie
Oh so we are just referring to your deal, just this member, not anyone esle, you want the rules changed just for you and who you trade with? Memebers on here can have more than one for sale thread running, they could have deals going on in 20 threads, 30 threads, if you had known the rules you would not have paid as you where clearly informed by t0mm he was profiteering, the rules also clearly state you cannot use hukd to profiteer, take reponsibility for yourself rather than trying to blame everyone else


I paid before that!!!
#19
BeemerMad
Again, your too busy to send a message but your on the case of spammers and stuff straight away.

You clearly do not care about your members, it would have taken all of 30 seconds to message me with a warning, these rules need sorting out big time.

And again I keep repeating, it does not matter about contact details, the point is if a member gets peed off from being suspended and want to do a runner they will do it anyway, so the point of the mater is suspending members before they complete a transaction could be the main cause of one of your members losing their hard earned.

You obviously are not looking at it from this point of view.


Stop Moaning,admit you are wrong,take responsibility for your actions and move on.

you are doing yourself no favours at all,I have dealt with minione and he is fine
#20
BeemerMad
Again, your too busy to send a message but your on the case of spammers and stuff straight away.

You clearly do not care about your members, it would have taken all of 30 seconds to message me with a warning, these rules need sorting out big time.

And again I keep repeating, it does not matter about contact details, [COLOR="Red"]the point is if a member gets peed off from being suspended and want to do a runner they will do it anyway[/COLOR], so the point of the mater is suspending members before they complete a transaction could be the main cause of one of your members losing their hard earned.

You obviously are not looking at it from this point of view.


No.... if a member wants to scam you, they will do it anyway, regardless of a suspension. The member in question has 70 positive feedback...doesn't that tell you something :?
banned#21
midlandscomics
No.... if a member wants to scam you, they will do it anyway, regardless of a suspension. The member in question has 70 positive feedback...doesn't that tell you something :?


Yes I keep saying that I should be ok as I trust them

But my point is the RULE!!

Flipping heck you lot are so blinded by this site that you can't see it.

If a person gets suspended with someones money then it CAN trigger them to do a runner from an otherwise perfect sale.

Some people may just take the suspension the wrong way, and while they have the buyers money they could decide to naff off.
banned#22
BeemerMad
I paid before that!!!


you are not going to get anywhere, members get suspended all the time on the fs boards for breaches of rules, it doesnt turn good sellers into scammers cause they got suspended, i understand you feeling a little nervy but ranting and raving on here will not change the rules. Most of the rules are good ones, yes some seem a little tight, but they are tight because members have asked them to be, it is a free part of the board, no fees to pay, so you cannot expect mods to spend 100% of their time pming members about members suspensions, believbe it or not you and minn are not the only two members who deal on the fs boards
#23
Your username is quite appropriate in this case beemermad.
Bet you didn't think you would get mad over a sale from a trusted member when you first chose that name, calm down and stop moaning.
#24
BeemerMad
Yes I keep saying that I should be ok as I trust them

But my point is the RULE!!

Flipping heck you lot are so blinded by this site that you can't see it.

If a person gets suspended with someones money then it CAN trigger them to do a runner from an otherwise perfect sale.

Some people may just take the suspension the wrong way, and while they have the buyers money they could decide to naff off.


How does it instantly trigger them to do a runner? Means there going to come back. Think someones living in cloud ebay land.

People get banned on here and do a runner with money there called scammers.

You need to look at what your buying theres nothing wrong with the rule.

You trust this guy theres no reason to even start this thread.

Tbh you sound like an old ID.

The user in question is fine you know that we know that.

If you are uncertain of the sale dont go through with it an report to a mod. Suspension means jack, and effects no one but the person in question. If you have paid and exchanged details in future you could ring the guy instead of spouting a whine thread at your own mistakes.:whistling:
#25
BeemerMad
Yes I keep saying that I should be ok as I trust them

But my point is the RULE!!

Flipping heck you lot are so blinded by this site that you can't see it.

If a person gets suspended with someones money then it CAN trigger them to do a runner from an otherwise perfect sale.

Some people may just take the suspension the wrong way, and while they have the buyers money they could decide to naff off.


What if the same member was suspended for something they said/did in 'misc' or 'deals'. Should the mods then have to work back through their active FS threads and contact any buyers? What about threads from three for weeks ago, where perhaps buyers haven't posted to confirm receipt of an item? Should they contact them on the off chance too?
banned#26
sassie
Oh so we are just referring to your deal, just this member, not anyone esle, you want the rules changed just for you and who you trade with? Memebers on here can have more than one for sale thread running, they could have deals going on in 20 threads, 30 threads, if you had known the rules you would not have paid as you where clearly informed by t0mm he was profiteering, the rules also clearly state you cannot use hukd to profiteer, take reponsibility for yourself rather than trying to blame everyone else


No Sassie you are putting words into people mouths with that one.

Since when do I want the rules changing for me?

I want the rules looking into for future instances like this. As I stated before, I am happy with my buyer, it may have gone off track a little, but I did say what if it were someone else and a mever of only a couple of months with 3 or 4 feedback, they could easily take the suspension the wrong way and walk away with the money from what otherwise would have been a perfectly good sale.

I am not here looking for trouble and to get attacked by fan boys and girls. I am pointing out a flaw in the system and how it can actually cause a genuine good sale to turn sour.
#27
midlandscomics
What if the same member was suspended for something they said/did in 'misc' or 'deals'. Should the mods then have to work back through their active FS threads and contact any buyers? What about threads from three for weeks ago, where perhaps buyers haven't posted to confirm receipt of an item? Should they contact them on the off chance too?


As you can see from the responses also none agrees with you and most of these are people who use the forums actively.
#28
BeemerMad
No Sassie you are putting words into people mouths with that one.

Since when do I want the rules changing for me?

I want the rules looking into for future instances like this. As I stated before, I am happy with my buyer, it may have gone off track a little, but I did say what if it were someone else and a mever of only a couple of months with 3 or 4 feedback, they could easily take the suspension the wrong way and walk away with the money from what otherwise would have been a perfectly good sale.

I am not here looking for trouble and to get attacked by fan boys and girls. I am pointing out a flaw in the system and how it can actually cause a genuine good sale to turn sour.


Its not a flawed system.

Nothing more the mods can do. You exchange details or you don't.

You decide to go with the sale or don't.

You decide to report the thread if iffy or don't.

Seems there all your choices.
#29
BeemerMad
No Sassie you are putting words into people mouths with that one.

Since when do I want the rules changing for me?

I want the rules looking into for future instances like this. As I stated before, I am happy with my buyer, it may have gone off track a little, but I did say what if it were someone else and [COLOR="Red"]a mever of only a couple of months with 3 or 4 feedback[/COLOR], they could easily take the suspension the wrong way and walk away with the money from what otherwise would have been a perfectly good sale.

I am not here looking for trouble and to get attacked by fan boys and girls. I am pointing out a flaw in the system and how it can actually cause a genuine good sale to turn sour.


Would you be happy to buy an item for over £100 from a member with that sort of feedback?

What really makes me laugh is that you are moaning about the potential of being scammed, but were more than happy to pay by Paypal Gift which offers no buyer protection at all.
banned#30
BeemerMad
No Sassie you are putting words into people mouths with that one.

Since when do I want the rules changing for me?

I want the rules looking into for future instances like this. As I stated before, I am happy with my buyer, it may have gone off track a little, but I did say what if it were someone else and a mever of only a couple of months with 3 or 4 feedback, they could easily take the suspension the wrong way and walk away with the money from what otherwise would have been a perfectly good sale.

I am not here looking for trouble and to get attacked by fan boys and girls. I am pointing out a flaw in the system and how it can actually cause a genuine good sale to turn sour.


I think that repsonse and some above clearly show you are looking for a fight, sorry i'm not interested, you have been a member here for a few months, and seen nothing about what goes i=on in the fs boards, i have not seen one member on here turn from a good seller to a bad one because of a suspension, but feel free to link me to one that has
banned#31
iv bought from minione before, all went well, i see your point in op section, but the fs/ft rules/guidelines are there, for you to get the appropriate details,
banned#32
I was not on about good sellers, again you are putting words into my mouth.

I am confident about my transaction, Minione is a long established member, but again you miss my point and target anything else.

My point being this can backfire on newer sellers with low feedback, they could take the suspension the wrong way and never return.

Anyway, I have brought up the rule, if they look into it then they do, if not nothing I can do about it.

Thanks for the feedback all.
banned#33
BeemerMad
I was not on about good sellers, again you are putting words into my mouth.

I am confident about my transaction, Minione is a long established member, but again you miss my point and target anything else.

My point being this can backfire on newer sellers with low feedback, they could take the suspension the wrong way and never return.


which could happen without a suspension, like i say link me to a seller, any seller, that has scammed someone due to a suspension
#34
OP is definitely a multi id,agree with adam
banned#35
BeemerMad;6315385
Yes I keep saying that I should be ok as I trust them

But my point is the RULE!!

Flipping heck you lot are so blinded by this site that you can't see it.

If a person gets suspended with someones money then it CAN trigger them to do a runner from an otherwise perfect sale.

Some people may just take the suspension the wrong way, and while they have the buyers money they could decide to naff off.

but thats why you get all there contact info ie phone number landline email home addy etc :? incase the member gets suspended/banned/not on the site then you have the other details that were provided to get in touch with that seller.
#36
BeemerMad
I was not on about good sellers, again you are putting words into my mouth.

I am confident about my transaction, Minione is a long established member, but again you miss my point and target anything else.

My point being this can backfire on newer sellers with low feedback, they could take the suspension the wrong way and never return.

Anyway, I have brought up the rule, if they look into it then they do, if not nothing I can do about it.

Thanks for the feedback all.


Why are new users any different from long standing. If they don't know the difference between a ban and a suspension then they shouldn't be in there, harsh but true. Or they should read the forum properly before using, as you are meant to with the rules.:whistling:
#37
sassie
pmsl at rubberducky1, naff all to do with a suspension


Nor is that username in use. They don't remove banned members.
banned#39
Adam2050;6315640
Nor is that username in use. They don't remove banned members.

you withdrew from the thread, i dealed in it, got my money back tho, metal gear solid 4 ps3
#40
dj_urban
you withdrew from the thread, i dealed in it, got my money back tho, metal gear solid 4 ps3


I remember the thread. Why is the username not coming up.

Strange. Must of spelt wrong.

Yeh thats a banned user who was iffy from the start.

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