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banned#1
they are already supposed to post it incl postage, and when mods see them without they do add these in to the title
#2
sassie;1680229
they are already supposed to post it incl postage, and when mods see them without they do add these in to the title


I've never seen them do that! :?

Didn't happen here: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/154179/robbie-williams-cd-rudebox-1-96-ama/

Here: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/154178/3-cds-for-10-inc-girls-aloud-chemis/

Here: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/153393/sandisk-microsd-2gb-3in1-adapter-6-/

Here: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/153308/splashy-the-whale-game-nice-filler-/

Here: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/153120/oz-hbo-season-1-dvd-9-97-p-p-amazon/ (says +P&P in the title, so why not include it in the item price??)

I could go on. (and I do!)
#3
sassie
they are already supposed to post it incl postage, and when mods see them without they do add these in to the title


One mod was guilty of it even after I pointed out that the postage was almost double the price of the item: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/150351/star-shaper-bw400a-19kg-dumbbell-tr/

I have to say that the Ebuyer ones particularly annoy me, especially when someone lists an item for a few quid and then says "Free Delivery over £49.99!"... :p
#5
thesaint;1680546
Have you reported them?


No, because I've only seen them tonight. Plus that's not what the report button is for.

This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts.


:)
#6
BristolDeal
Plus that's not what the report button is for.


I have questioned the report button before, and emma has said that the message that says:

This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts.


Is a generic one that she doesn't think can be changed, and is fine to report other things. :)
#7
Well I wouldn't waste the mods time with threads that are half dead anyway. If it was made a general rule about the pricing of Amazon items, I wouldn't need to report them at all...!
#8
I disagree actually..it may be the rule but I disagree with it (Im allowed because were in the feedback thread).

The difference between a hot deal and a nothing deal, especially for CDs, DVDs and so forth is about £1. So if every single amazon deal includes postage, all it means is that most people will just have to remmeber how much it costs for postage and deduct it.

I don't know about anyone else, but for myself, I always try to make up orders of £15...I never buy a single item for say £3 or whatever.

Whereas other shops, such as Ebuyer...the difference between a hot deal and a none hot deal is usually much more than a £1. More in the region of say £5...


Though I must admit I can see the other side of the coin too..if your not one of those who stores up purchases...then having a deal included without the postage could be very annoying...
#9
The difference between a hot deal and a nothing deal, especially for CDs, DVDs and so forth is about £1. So if every single amazon deal includes postage, all it means is that most people will just have to remmeber how much it costs for postage and deduct it.


I don't understand what you're saying...
#10
Let me clarify......

1) If the price of postage is included in the price when you post it up &
2)And most people won't be paying the postage (or at least I assume most don't because there are so many threads about amazon fillers to make it up to £15)

It follows that most people, whenever they scan the amazon threads will just have to memorise the amount for the P&P of amazon for a DVD or a book. eg £1.45.

So when you write up: Die hard [email protected] at Amazon.co.uk

I assume most people would then think, £7.00-£1.45 = £5.55

So they know the true price of what they are paying for.


Does anyone else follow that? Or does that make no sense whatsoever?

Thats just my opinion though, and I am not afraid to say I have been wrong before!
#11
Whoa!! Weird sense of deja-vu here...
#12
Well maybe this thread will get some answerrs - that other one made things as clear as mud!
#13
Last time we brought this up, Admin said:

Admin
If it's a normal item under £15 and p&p applies then yes that p&p cost should be listed as normal although a comment about getting a filler item and thus shipping free for the same overall cost is recommended.

If it's a really cheap item and meant as an item to top-up for free shipping then it can be listed without p&p as long as it's listing is as a cheap topup item.

I think that makes sense?


So I'd say if an item is very low priced, it's OK to list the price without postage as long as you put that it's a filler item in the title...

Obviously, something that's £7 isn't a filler item... and henceforth it should be listed with postage.

In my opinion the best way to do this is to say the price "£x.xx" then add "+ £x.xx delivery". If you have space you could even add in the title "(Free P&P over £15)".
#14
Well that's all very well, but it's still multiple rules isn't it, and therefore open to confusion. How about "Anything under £15 has to be listed with postage costs." and then there's no misinterpretation? :roll:
banned#15
read here, it is as clear as piggin mess that the price should be delivered, do not expect a straight answer from any of the team, as each blah, de blah, de blah is done on merit - lol In other words its made to suit

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/130779/

Here is where you add the:
Title: example: £50 Off HUKD Computer - £100 Delivered [ Please be sure to include any delivery costs - the price and retailer name are usually included!
#16
Title: example: £50 Off HUKD Computer - £100 Delivered [ Please be sure to include any delivery costs - the price and retailer name are [SIZE=5]usually [/SIZE]included!
banned#17
then why say please be sure? On second houghts dont answer that as it will be some long winded way that will end up with no real answer anyway
banned#18
Price: Use just digits here: eg : 100. Be sure to include deliverey charges where applicable as well.

so if there is a delivery charge then include it, or does that actually mean something else too, and to think these links are supposed to help newcomers:roll:
#19
Admin - If it's a really cheap item and meant as an item to top-up for free shipping then it can be listed without p&p


I made this point last time and it kind of fell on dead ears but this sort of thing does actually happen. Say a DVD is available from lets say Amazon for £2.80 + delivery and from Blah-WOW for £3.69 delivered, and its over a fiver everywhere else so these are good deals.

One of them is posted as a deal, doesn't really matter which but lets say the Amazon one. Its posted as "Oceans Sixteen only £2.80 @ Amazon", and being popular film gains heat quickly.

Someone else posts "But its only £3.49 delivered at Blah-Wow, works out 50p less.." and decides to post their own deal - "Oceans Sixteen only £3.49 delivered @ Blah-WOW".

The problem then is what happens when people see them both in the list. You would hope that people will see both, perhaps look in the thread and if voting base their votes on the merits of both (neither is clearly better than the other). However, I'm fairly sure from seeing similar things before, what happens is many people see the 'lower price' at Amazon and vote that deal hot and the other cold.

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Lets not forget there is an underlying issue here to do with the ethics of the site and its impartiality - it looks bad if the site favours one particular retailer and obviously people will then question if this is for financial reasons etc. There's already the special Amazon deals section, and the Amazon voucher giveaways etc so the site clearly benefits from Amazon deals a lot. Surely in the actual users-submitted deals part itself it should be a case of 'rule for one, rule for all'.
banned#20
jah128


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Lets not forget there is an underlying issue here to do with the ethics of the site and its impartiality - it looks bad if the site favours one particular retailer and obviously people will then question if this is for financial reasons etc. There's already the special Amazon deals section, and the Amazon voucher giveaways etc so the site clearly benefits from Amazon deals a lot. Surely in the actual users-submitted deals part itself it should be a case of 'rule for one, rule for all'.


i think you have hit the nail straight on the head there
#21
jah128
Lets not forget there is an underlying issue here to do with the ethics of the site and its impartiality - it looks bad if the site favours one particular retailer and obviously people will then question if this is for financial reasons etc. There's already the special Amazon deals section, and the Amazon voucher giveaways etc so the site clearly benefits from Amazon deals a lot. Surely in the actual users-submitted deals part itself it should be a case of 'rule for one, rule for all'.


Not the case at all. The Amazon tool was made to HELP users as a way of finding mis-prices and the like which Amazon are quite famous for, being such a huge site. At the time it was made, no one else was offering price checkers for Amazon at all. It could have been done for Argos or Play for example, but they already existed. You'll also notice that the tool is fairly discretely at the bottom of the page now. If a lot of money was made from it then it'd be pushed in your face all of the time like certain other biased sites do. :)

And Amazon vouchers are, quite simply, easy to buy and with them offering such a wide range of goods they're fairly popular too. If you look at the Corporate site on Amazon you'll notice that it's fairly easy to buy large quantities of vouchers as codes to email out... and many sites use Amazon vouchers as giveaways for this reason.
#22
Okay - I'm happy to believe both those points, but the site still clearly does benefit from Amazon deals (they go through a paying referer, correct?), there is still financial incentive to the site for people to click through Amazon deals?

I'm not saying that this site is biased to Amazon due to financial reasons, I'm just saying by making exceptions and other things as noted above you certainly don't do much to make it clear that you [HUKD] are not...
#23
jah128
Okay - I'm happy to believe both those points, but the site still clearly does benefit from Amazon deals (they go through a paying referer, correct?), there is still financial incentive to the site for people to click through Amazon deals?


No more than any other retailer. :)
#24
duckmagicuk2
No more than any other retailer. :)


Really? Thats not the way I thought it worked. Don't some give you nothing at all?
#25
jah128
Really? Thats not the way I thought it worked. Don't some give you nothing at all?


Well, yes. :)

To be honest, it doesn't affect any decisions or posts at all. A few BIG retailers have asked us to remove codes or we'll be banned from getting any ad revenue and we've said "OK, we'll keep the codes". At the end of the day, the best deal for the consumer is always our top priority - no matter what retailer it is.

:thumbsup:
#26
But anyway, back to the original point - I'm pleased to see a few other members today have picked up on this and made comments in Amazon deals about including postage prices. Kudos! :)
#27
People post this in Deals whether they be for Amazon or any other retailer.

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