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#1
Thought they were ok? sure there were some deals yesterday from ebuyer?
#2
it does say do not post (like boffer)
banned#3
ebuyer are ok to list as far as i know
#4
in house politics
#5
I just went to check on on of my old posts and found it spammed.

Thanks for the replies all.
#6
That explains why my post has disappeared, have to admit intrigued to know what happened
#7
pls ignore
#8
admin is probably blaming ebuyer equipment for the dodgy emoticons
#9
Currently, we have made the decision not to allow ebuyer deals on the forums, due to constant self-promotion which is a breach of the HUKD code of conduct.
#10
emmajk42
Currently, we have made the decision not to allow ebuyer deals on the forums, due to constant self-promotion which is a breach of the HUKD code of conduct.


That's a big surprise actually..they must have been quite good at it!
#11
So Ebuyer staff are posting here?

Sorry for sounding dull lol. :)
#12
fair enough, thanks for letting us know :)
#13
jameslon;4992836
pls ignore

^^^^ ebuyer staff? :geek:
#14
ctuk
fair enough, thanks for letting us know :)


+1
#15
Removed off topic posts, this has been moved to the feedback forum so please keep your comments on topic.
1 Like #16
Madness.
1 Like #17
I always thought eBuyer deals were allowed as well? :?
#18
StevenA2000_uk
I always thought eBuyer deals were allowed as well? :?


Please refer to the previous comment by emmajk42. This decision was made in the last day or so.

emmajk42
Currently, we have made the decision not to allow ebuyer deals on the forums, due to constant self-promotion which is a breach of the HUKD code of conduct.
banned#19
surely you should just be banning the member and not the company. Madness!
banned#20
lumoruk;4994509
surely you should just be banning the member and not the company. Madness!

+1

probably stopped as hukd arent getting any commission from them lol
#21
absolute joke. even with their staff uploading deals, the content for HUKD was probably still better than some of the horrendous deals appearing from legit users ... I'm not defending the actions of ebuyer here, but they've got quality deals on a lot of the time, and its stupid not having them on the site ...
[helper]#22
Does seem a very odd decision especially when lots of deals from one or two suppliers (eg CDdiscount) always seem to get posted by the Mods.............
banned#23
Wow... Obivously I know its hard to get things even and fair at all times.

Its fair enough to ban the rubbishy little spam firms, and other companies with dubious practises

BUT EBUYER?

I'd love to know what percentage of deals on this site come from ebuyer.

The mods should be banning the members involved - not banning the company.

Where does it end?

For me this is as bad as banning PC World, currys, comet etc.

Keep going like this and hotukdeals will become pointless - since half the web is banned.

I take it the shameful self-promotion of cDiscount is allowed because Paul gets some dollar from them?

Pathetic, hypocritical decision.

rant over, but very unhappy!
banned#24
bod emrys
I completely understand the need for a zero tolerance attitude to self promotion, it is what makes this site work. But why can't the offending posters be banned and hukd stop new members from posting ebuyer deals without them going through moderation.
How can hukd be trusted to truely find you the best deal when deals from major retailers like ebuyer are banned?

It can't.

but its pretty obvious HUKDs are making money from cDiscount, and I guess will take every opportunity to ban other retailers in similar markets.

There have been decisions made here that I've agreed with, and some I've disagreed with, but this is absolutely shocking.

The mods may deny cDiscount pay any money etc, or are allowed to self promote - but no one can deny they BLATANTLY get favourable terms on HUKDs for whatever reason.
[admin] 1 Like #25
If we catch a merchant spamming we get in touch and warn them not to do it again. If it keeps happening then we stop all deals for them.

As you can imagine it is difficult to be able to definitely prove a merchant is spamming. In the case that we do we cut off all deals as we do not know which are legitimate and which are not. It's one of those cases where we have to be particularly harsh so we don't just end up catching the stupid posters.

It is essential to the survival of HUKD that members can trust deals are genuinely posted by other members and not by merchants. This is why we have always been so strict on enforcing this point.
[admin]#26
vibeone - I get a bit tired with making this argument because it is very easy to show it's not true. Go through the last couple days of deals and then come back with a ratio of how many we are able to make money on.

If we were banning ebuyer because they do not support HUKD then why have they been on here for years?
banned#27
Admin
If we catch a merchant spamming we get in touch and warn them not to do it again. If it keeps happening then we stop all deals for them.

As you can imagine it is difficult to be able to definitely prove a merchant is spamming. In the case that we do we cut off all deals as we do not know which are legitimate and which are not. It's one of those cases where we have to be particularly harsh so we don't just end up catching the stupid posters.

It is essential to the survival of HUKD that members can trust deals are genuinely posted by other members and not by merchants. This is why we have always been so strict on enforcing this point.

Do you fancy giving us a quick comment on cdiscount then? Theres been a few times their 'reps' have crossed over from helping out, into self promo as I can see.

BTW, I don't have a problem with your post Admin, but It is also essential to the survival of HUKD that people can find the best deals - and banning a major retailer means that is currently not easy to do.

I'll go elsewhere for ebuyer deals now - I have no choice. I'll stay on HUKDs as well obviously - but where does it end?

What happens if Currys got caught? Dixons? Comet? Next? Tesco?
banned#28
Admin
vibeone - I get a bit tired with making this argument because it is very easy to show it's not true. Go through the last couple days of deals and then come back with a ratio of how many we are able to make money on.

If we were banning ebuyer because they do not support HUKD then why have they been on here for years?

I wasn't suggesting you banned them because you don't make money. I stand by my comment that you make money from cdiscount. I just think cdiscount self promo via hotukdeals is far worse and completely ignored. Why?

BTW, I probably am saying silly things at times - but (perhaps sadly), I'm pretty angry that you've banned one of my favourite sites. This isn't boffer or some other silly play-at-selling firm - its ebuyer. ebuyer deals get posted here, and rated hot all the time. It's a massive decision you've made here, and I think its been made wrongly.
[admin]#29
They've all been caught vibeone. Every merchant you list above we have caught spamming. I think we did have to ban dsgi for a while too.

Generally merchants back off once they know there are implications. That's why we have to have a pretty serious implication if they continue doing it.

RE cdiscount - We have caught them in the past and warned them off - they made sure that everyone in the company knew not to do it again. If you think they are still at it please send us an email with your suspicions and info and we will chase it down.

No merchant is exempted from the self-promo rule period. It doesn't matter if they support HUKD monetarily or not.
[admin]#30
bod emyrs
Thank you for the answer. Can I just ask if, in cases like this, a merchant is banned permenantly, for a specific length of time or until you see fit to reinstate them?


Once we're comfortable it won't happen again then they will be active again.
banned#31
Admin
They've all been caught vibeone. Every merchant you list above we have caught spamming. I think we did have to ban dsgi for a while too.

Generally merchants back off once they know there are implications. That's why we have to have a pretty serious implication if they continue doing it.

RE cdiscount - We have caught them in the past and warned them off - they made sure that everyone in the company knew not to do it again. If you think they are still at it please send us an email with your suspicions and info and we will chase it down.

No merchant is exempted from the self-promo rule period. It doesn't matter if they support HUKD monetarily or not.


Fair enough. I've got no answer to that, and thank you for your reply.

I still think this is a bad decision for us users - but hopefully by my understanding it will only be very short term.
#32
Whats wrong with self-promotion? Cold deals will get cold, hot deals will win through in the end...
[admin]#33
Jakg

Whats wrong with self-promotion? Cold deals will get cold, hot deals will win through in the end...


Nothing wrong with it if a site wanted to be filled with ads from merchants rather than recommendations from members. HUKD is the latter.

To me it's also kind of like saying, "What's wrong with email spam? Delete the emails you don't want to read."
#34
Jakg;4996323
Whats wrong with self-promotion? Cold deals will get cold, hot deals will win through in the end...

the site would turn into a free advertising board.
[helper]#35
Many thanks for your responses Admin.........
#36
ctuk
the site would turn into a free advertising board.


Would turn into?
#37
Admin
They've all been caught vibeone. Every merchant you list above we have caught spamming. I think we did have to ban dsgi for a while too.

Generally merchants back off once they know there are implications. That's why we have to have a pretty serious implication if they continue doing it.

RE cdiscount - We have caught them in the past and warned them off - they made sure that everyone in the company knew not to do it again. If you think they are still at it please send us an email with your suspicions and info and we will chase it down.

No merchant is exempted from the self-promo rule period. It doesn't matter if they support HUKD monetarily or not.


Thanks for that explanation about self promotion admin! One of the attractions of this site is it generally looks out for the interests of the ordinary Joe Bloggs in the street. For that HUKD gets the thumbs up from me. :thumbsup:
#38
I can see HUKD point of view on this, as members we have to stand by this decision!

Ebuyer is one of my favourite sites and i spend a lot of money there when i find good products at good prices, that doesn't mean that i want their people spamming HUKD with crap offers, I want HUKD members letting me know where the best deals are.

Hard decision to make for a good site admin, but i for one am always on HUKD side of the fence.
#39
Seems a poor decision on Ebuyer's behalf, I can understand why relatively unknown merchants self promote on this site but Ebuyer are well known and there's been plenty of deals posted for them presumably without their self promotion. I hope they sort themselves out.

John
#40
What I still dont get is that the mods know about cDiscount offers before anybody else so I would guess cDiscount are contacting them with offers. Should the mods get banned?

What if ebuyer email me their offers and I post them as they come live how many will it be before I get banned?
So I can see why cDiscount stand out like a sore thumb.

So ebuyer if your watching I'll post your deals if you sort me a date with the lovely girl who does you videos!?:thumbsup:
Just joking Admin.:-D

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