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#1
If its a fake 'branded' memory card then yes it would clearly be counterfeit, against the rules and illegal to sell...
banned#2
well are fake goods illegal?
1 Like #3
sassie;1923270
well are fake goods illegal?


Generally speaking yes...
banned#4
jah128
Generally speaking yes...


yes i thought it was sorta self explanetory (spelt something like that) - lol
#5
:lol: I thought you were probably being sarcastic/asking the obvious but it doesn't carry that well in text...
banned#6
jah128
:lol: I thought you were probably being sarcastic/asking the obvious but it doesn't carry that well in text...


well i thought the op was asking the obvious, so thought i would follow suit;-)
#7
sassie
well i thought the op was asking the obvious, so thought i would follow suit;-)


Anything is obvious if you know the answer.
banned#8
thesaint
Anything is obvious if you know the answer.


the answer is in your post, you qouted it - lol

the mods been upsetting you again
#9
sassie
the answer is in your post, you qouted it - lol

the mods been upsetting you again


The answer may be in my post. The law is not as clear cut as you think.

Some things are legal to possess, but illegal to sell.
Some things are illegal to possess, and illegal to sell.
Some things are legal to buy, but illegal to use etc etc

I am asking what HUKD deems the sale of counterfeit goods as.
banned#10
thesaint
The answer may be in my post. The law is not as clear cut as you think.

Some things are legal to possess, but illegal to sell.
Some things are illegal to possess, and illegal to sell.
Some things are legal to buy, but illegal to use etc etc

I am asking what HUKD deems the sale of counterfeit goods as.


well as your talking about trading i think your post answera itself again - lol
#11
thesaint
The answer may be in my post. The law is not as clear cut as you think.

Some things are legal to possess, but illegal to sell.
Some things are illegal to possess, and illegal to sell.
Some things are legal to buy, but illegal to use etc etc

I am asking what HUKD deems the sale of counterfeit goods as.


Not sure if this true or an urban myth, but I've seen it mentioned a number of times on eBay message boards that it is illegal to send fake goods through the post, so even if they can sell them, they won't be able to ship them. :thumbsup:
#12
nightswimmer
Not sure if this true or an urban myth, but I've seen it mentioned a number of times on eBay message boards that it is illegal to send fake goods through the post, so even if they can sell them, they won't be able to ship them. :thumbsup:


I am trying to find out what HUKD's take on it is.
I do not see adverts on Ebay stating that they are fakes, so although most of them are fakes(IMO) they do seem to prevent the blatant advertisement of them.
[admin]#13
What is a fake memory card?
banned#14
Admin
What is a fake memory card?


a non genuine one - lol

like a sony 16mb ps2 card, that sony have never even released let alone sold, not sure about others, just one example, although sony do sell 8mb ones and even some of these are packaged and exactly the same yet still fake
[admin]#15
Ok so it's trademark infringement right?
banned#16
Admin
Ok so it's trademark infringement right?


yes it is, it goes for anything really, fake cards, fake boots, fake apple ipods etc,etc, although their was some confusion on here over some sunglasses if i recall not too long ago

although im not sure what thesaint is referring to, he has obviously seen something on here, from all the threads i have seen selling fake goods, whether stated as fake or trying to sell as genuine when fake have been locked, although in this case i think they should be removed rather than locked
#17
Admin
Ok so it's trademark infringement right?


Yes it is.
I believe that these cards should be bought/sold on fleabay, as they seem quite happy to turn a blind eye.

On HUKD there are plenty of people selling/offering "Sony" memory cards that are not "Sony" memory cards.

They are stating that they are not "Sony", and people are happy enough to buy them.
#18
Admin;1925035
Ok so it's trademark infringement right?


There are memory cards which claim to be made by a specific manufacturer (eg Sony) using their branding and logos. These are mass produced in generally chinese factories and are very widespread at the moment, especially on ebay, and often a faulty/poor quality/not the stated capacity. So yes, it trademark infringement and all the other laws associated with counterfeit goods which are being broken...

If anyone is knowingly selling counterfeit goods on here they should be banned (not just a warning - its a serious criminal offence) and the thread should not be removed as seems to be the practice at the moment - it should be locked with a clear reason given by the mods and a warning that such practices will not be tolerated...
#19
...and a message somewhere somehow to let everyone know at a glance (without having to look at profiles if possible) that the particular member has tried to sell fake goods before.
banned#20
jah128
There are memory cards which claim to be made by a specific manufacturer (eg Sony) using their branding and logos. These are mass produced in generally chinese factories and are very widespread at the moment, especially on ebay, and often a faulty/poor quality/not the stated capacity. So yes, it trademark infringement and all the other laws associated with counterfeit goods which are being broken...

If anyone is knowingly selling counterfeit goods on here they should be banned (not just a warning - its a serious criminal offence) and the thread should not be removed as seems to be the practice at the moment - it should be locked with a clear reason given by the mods and a warning that such practices will not be tolerated...


advertising counterfeit/fake goods is as illegal as selling them
#21
sassie;1925907
advertising counterfeit/fake goods is as illegal as selling them


Yeah thats a good point but to just pull the thread and leave no evidence for the user is a problem - soming think SimonGs suggestion would be good. To just pull the thread and not leave any history of it that is available to regular users is clearly unfair if the OP can continue to use the fs forum...
banned#22
jah128
Yeah thats a good point but to just pull the thread and leave no evidence for the user is a problem - soming think SimonGs suggestion would be good. To just pull the thread and not leave any history of it that is available to regular users is clearly unfair if the OP can continue to use the fs forum...


if they gonna ban them, as suggested, there will be no real need to leave their posts, or do you mean suspend them. Maybe remove the openng post but just add ass anote to say rying to sell counterfeit goods
#23
I don't think they should be allowed at all, apart from the copyright infringement issue as mentioned above the counterfeit memory cards tend to be slow, more prone to failure and not offering the proper capacity. While I appreciate some are better than others you can't really differentiate between them.

John
#24
sassie;1926008
if they gonna ban them, as suggested, there will be no real need to leave their posts, or do you mean suspend them. Maybe remove the openng post but just add ass anote to say rying to sell counterfeit goods


agreed and agreed - as long as they are not suspended (and allowed to trade again) with no reference left.... which unfortunately happens at the moment sometimes :roll:
#25
Won't this just lead to people selling fake ones as genuine?

At least in the cases that thesaint mentioned, people are aware of what they are buying.

I don't mean to justify the sale of illegal items on this site, just pointing out a consequence of implementing this rule.
banned#26
bod emrys
Won't this just lead to people selling fake ones as genuine?

At least in the cases that thesaint mentioned, people are aware of what they are buying.

I don't mean to justify the sale of illegal items on this site, just pointing out a consequence of implementing this rule.


it isnt about buying or selling, its the fact that hukd could not possibly condone selling illegal goods, otherwise at a guess they would also become under scrutiny
#27
bod emrys
Won't this just lead to people selling fake ones as genuine?

At least in the cases that thesaint mentioned, people are aware of what they are buying.

I don't mean to justify the sale of illegal items on this site, just pointing out a consequence of implementing this rule.


Possibly, Everything has a consequence. They are doing this anyway, whether they are aware or not.

If HUKD'ers purposely sell counterfeit goods as genuine, then they should be banned.
#28
Is it okay to list a memory card as "Non magic gate supported" when the picture provided is one that clearly states "Sandisk" and has "Magicgate" written on it?

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1329/dsc00379lj3.jpg
banned#29
Of course not, simply hit the report button, thread will at the very least be locked.
#30
aScottishBloke
Of course not, simply hit the report button, thread will at the very least be locked.


That's not the case. :thinking:
banned#31
I can only speak from experience then, however clicking Report rather than adding a comment/free bump works for me.
#32
aScottishBloke
I can only speak from experience then, however clicking Report rather than adding a comment/free bump works for me.


Well it was reported about 12 hours ago, so I assume it is not against the rules after all.
banned#33
Got a link ?
banned#35
thesaint
Well it was reported about 12 hours ago, so I assume it is not against the rules after all.


maybe it slipped passed them, report it again
#36
sassie
maybe it slipped passed them, report it again


Well, it's been sold now. :roll:
banned#37
thesaint
Well, it's been sold now. :roll:


well that dont stop you reporting it - lol
banned#38
Shouldn't be the case, :)
#39
Please do report it again or even PM me the link and I'll chase it up. The reports do, unfortunately, sometimes get missed. It's usually when no one is around or someone has answered a random report. I'm not sure if the other mods do this, but I tend to go backwards through the reported posts until I find one that has been answered and then stop... hopefully we'll get some sort of system of "tracking" reports one day, but alas for now - we do not.
#40
duckmagicuk2
Please do report it again or even PM me the link and I'll chase it up. The reports do, unfortunately, sometimes get missed. It's usually when no one is around or someone has answered a random report. I'm not sure if the other mods do this, but I tend to go backwards through the reported posts until I find one that has been answered and then stop... hopefully we'll get some sort of system of "tracking" reports one day, but alas for now - we do not.


The link is in post number 35 in this thread, but here it is again:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/176027/fs-ft-many-items-psp-s-pc-bits-wiim/

I will also PM you the link.

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