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#1
Quotes don't work in the OP [B]MrShed.
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#2
Ah right, thanks emma :)
#3
Sorry to rant, but just seems to me that these rules completely reduce the effectiveness of the forum section. I am happy to accept I am wrong, if it can be shown there are good reasons for the rules that override the sizable benefits.


The "For Sale" forum is a section that Admin gave "us" that is free to use.

I think a lot of the rules are welcomed by the majority, and some were introduced after Feedback from the members of HUKD. I think the rules on the whole work well.

To allow what you are proposing wouldn't make it a nicer place to trade, but more like the wild west, with lots of extra modding required, and fewer completed trades.
#4
OK but why? What I am asking is what is the basis for preventing fair comparison?

And by the way, while I accept that I do not own the forum, a forum is only as good as its members, so I think the "admin gave us for free" this section comment somewhat condesending. Lets not be blinkered - the section of the forum wasnt given as a "moral gesture", it was given to continue to improve the site, to therefore lead to increased hits, which leads to better revenue for the site. Nothing wrong with that, but precisely for this reason the forum should not be "well admin said, so we do not question".
#5
To say for example "Completed ebay auctions(not BIN) can be compared" would not result in the wild west.
To say "you can post similar items only where it gives buyers a true indication of value" would not result in the wild west.
To say "you do not only need to post new items" would not result in the wild west.

The first and third in particular are ENTIRELY preventing fair comparisons being made. It is not a fair comparison to compare for example a year old second hand xbox, with a brand new one from a retailer.

And lets be honest, most of these posts are being made already, and just being modded.
#6
MrShed
OK but why? What I am asking is what is the basis for preventing fair comparison?


I think that 5 people providing links to something on Ebay, that may or may not be the same would lead to extremely long threads full of arguments that would result in not many sucessful trades.

I believe that it would need lots of extra modding, and woud eventually lead to the forum being closed as it would be a hassle for the benefit of no one.

MrShed

And by the way, while I accept that I do not own the forum, a forum is only as good as its members, so I think the "admin gave us for free" this section comment somewhat condesending.


No one has said you own the forum, why do you keep saying that?
Feedback is here for us all to report/discuss HUKD matters.

MrShed

Lets not be blinkered - the section of the forum wasnt given as a "moral gesture", it was given to continue to improve the site, to therefore lead to increased hits, which leads to better revenue for the site. Nothing wrong with that, but precisely for this reason the forum should not be "well admin said, so we do not question".



I have started threads in Feedback with things that I believe are wrong with the forum, my last one was with regards to suspended members coming back unrepentant and starting a thread to get rep. Admin hasn't stopped it, but I have to accept that and move on. I won't ever agree, but it's HIS SITE.

I am giving you my opinion on what you have suggested, others will give theirs.

MrShed
To say for example "Completed ebay auctions(not BIN) can be compared" would not result in the wild west.
To say "you can post similar items only where it gives buyers a true indication of value" would not result in the wild west.
To say "you do not only need to post new items" would not result in the wild west.

The first and third in particular are ENTIRELY preventing fair comparisons being made. It is not a fair comparison to compare for example a year old second hand xbox, with a brand new one from a retailer.

And lets be honest, most of these posts are being made already, and just being modded.


Until someone points out that the one on Ebay had a scratch on the back of the item etc etc.

Admin will hopefully reply to you, as he reads all threads in Feedback. :)
#7
Good good.

The reason I said about it not being MY forum was the fact that you mentioned about him "giving" us this section of the site. I think it is important to remember that although Admin may own the HOSTING and DATA, the forum simply would not exist were it not for the members.

I know what you mean about scratches on the back of items etc. But, even though the items will vary, still a MUCH more realistic comparison than new products from retailers.

Sorry saint, not meaning to have a go :) perhaps didnt phrase my replies quite right lol - I understand that it is all about opinion at the end of the day. The only thing I would say isnt opinion, which is why I comment strongly on it, is that it is simply fact that comparing a sale of a second hand good from a private individual to the sale of another second hand good from a private individual is a lot more appropriate and provides a better basis than comparing to a new good from a retailer.

The other point is that I fail to see the reason for the "low offer" rule.
#8
I have made my point about allowing comparisons to Ebay items, classified ads etc, so will make no further comment.

I don't fully understand the term "Low ball offer", even after "Googling" it a few weeks ago.
Low offers have been used to scupper my sale once because I asked someone to stay out of my thread who had the the sole intention of ruining it.

He returned with a ridiculous offer that was lower than one I had already turned down.
He said something like "This isn't thread spoiling, as I made an offer". I then pointed out that he was still thread spoiling, and showed him a quote of the(low-ball) rule. He didn't appear again. :)

There would be nothing to stop half-wits like that.

You think it would be better, I don't.
#9
I think its fair enough to expect someone not to make a lower offer than has already been made :)

But to prevent a low offer to start with is silly IMO. Obviously will agree to disagree :)
banned#10
thesaint;2499722

I have started threads in Feedback with things that I believe are wrong with the forum, my last one was with regards to suspended members coming back unrepentant and starting a thread to get rep. Admin hasn't stopped it, but I have to accept that and move on. I won't ever agree, but it's HIS SITE.



You cannot make those sort of claims without proof....its a serious claim when thats against the rules and COULD lead to a ban...

The fiirst time I encountered you Saint was when I was VERY new to the site and asked what the deal with rep was and why you got it etc, when I seemed to get it for nothing rather than when I helped, I genuinely didnt understand it...yet you ASSUMED I was rep begging


Someone with a "high class" member profile such as yourself would be much better off explaining things and genuinely being friendly and helpful IMHO, rather than accusing people of things and spamming anything you dont like...


If your gonna knock others for making assumptions, then you shouldn't do it yourself!!!
#11
MrShed - the rules in the for sale forum used to be alot shorter. In fact, they used to be about a paragraph long. As the forum got busier and busier, it got messier, and was a nightmare to moderate.

Over time, we have added to the for sale forum rules, and also amended them. Not sure if you have noticed, but the rules are not set in stone, and they do get amended when people make suggestions.

The rule involving ebay comparisons - I cannot remember the reason why it first came about... but think about this - you're on a deals forum. The people who are already here are bargain hunters - they know that they can go compare the item on ebay. It's not really necessary to use that as a comparator in the thread. We don't allow ebay links on the forums anyway ... self-promotion being one of the reasons.




#12
I do understand that emma - thanks for the reply. I still feel it would be beneficial, but I partially understand the reasoning.
1 Like #13
I think the problem with ebay links is that theirs usually always an item that goes for below market price, whilst others go above it. People will jump on that unusually low item.
#14
Also, what is a "fair comparison"? One model in a range compared to an updated version of that model? Different models in a range? Comparisons between different product ranges? Comparisons between different brands?

It's hard to know where to draw a definitive line once you begin to allow people to deviate...
#15
Cleaned up the thread... we're back on topic now. :)
#16
Cheers duck :)
#17
ODB_69
You cannot make those sort of claims without proof....its a serious claim when thats against the rules and COULD lead to a ban...


http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/203349/i-ve-been-suspended-now-i-m-back-sl/

ODB_69


The fiirst time I encountered you Saint was when I was VERY new to the site and asked what the deal with rep was and why you got it etc, when I seemed to get it for nothing rather than when I helped, I genuinely didnt understand it...yet you ASSUMED I was rep begging


Someone with a "high class" member profile such as yourself would be much better off explaining things and genuinely being friendly and helpful IMHO, rather than accusing people of things and spamming anything you dont like...


If your gonna knock others for making assumptions, then you shouldn't do it yourself!!!


Off topic, create a thread.
1 Like #18
You can't really compare fairly to E-Bay as the item price a depends on who is interested only 2 months ago I bought a 3 piece leather suite for just 99p, it was about 2 years old and worth a hell of a lot more than that. I got a bargain that doesn't mean now that anyone who wants to sell a 3 piece suite on here can only realistically ask for 99p for it.

I think HUKD's want to provide a safe market place in the FS FT forum and the rules they have imposed have meant that I have never seen a item be sold for well over or well under it's current market value. Whereas on E-bay everyday things sell for just a % of their true value. The rules are there to protect everyone and making sure that the sellers get a fair price is just as important as making sure the buyer does in my opinion.
banned#19



HAHAHAHA

Off topic???

Look again...you said this IN the thread...therefore ON topic...doesn't matter I wrote more....and Ducky DELETED all off topic stuff...so If a MOD says its fine, then it is fine


You really are just looking for a fight mate...pretty immature for a 38yr old!
God...you got nothing else better to do?
#20
MrShed;2499576
OK but why? What I am asking is what is the basis for preventing fair comparison?

And by the way, while I accept that I do not own the forum, a forum is only as good as its members, so I think the "admin gave us for free" this section comment somewhat condesending. Lets not be blinkered - the section of the forum wasnt given as a "moral gesture", it was given to continue to improve the site, to therefore lead to increased hits, which leads to better revenue for the site. Nothing wrong with that, but precisely for this reason the forum should not be "well admin said, so we do not question".


While I appreciate what you are saying I don't entirely agree, from what I've seen of the forum it would be easier for the admin and mods to get rid of the FS/FT forum entirely. I doubt it does that much to attract genuine members compared to the main deals section and it requires quite lot of moderation - it's not uncommon for forums to charge a subscription or a paid membership to be able to sell items.

I don't think ebay is valid for comparison, the prices can fluctuate considerably whereas for shop prices you have a more consistent price as the item is brand new and usually readily available.

John

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