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#1
Is this ideas on improving the site Paul or the deals section in general?
or both ?
[admin]#2
Any ideas or comments on any aspect really.
#3
Possibly put some more sections in, i dont know how it would work (thats your job!) so we dont have to trawl through, as computers and boy gadgets never appeal to me, wheras im sure to the average man make up, hair stuff and kids toys dont appeal to them?
#4
A lot of sites seem to have a members only area.
#5
As i said in an other thread Paul, when a deal is posted, it should be locked, only for OP and mods to amend. Any discussion from that post should go to the misc section, and there they can have the 30 pages of, i am gonna sue etc. Would make deals much easier to find and control, although the auto-create of a misc thread might be tough, but much more control and less mod interaction on the actual deals would be gained
#6
I personally think the search function is really bad, if from the forum main page you type something in the search space, it most always comes up 'sorry can find anything'


Also something like Av forums idea,

all the main ideas like: first page

Home Entertainment Players & Recorders
Digital TV Receivers & Services
Audio Components
Other Home Cinema Essentials
Gaming
Trading forums
Non-AV Related Topics

like sub forms, one specific title then when you click into that then more specific forms, this would help navigate better and find things a heck of a lot quicker.
#7
Joshanna
wheras im sure to the average man make up, hair stuff and kids toys dont appeal to them?
So pleased i'm not average then, make up never hurt anyone :)
Sections per se would be a good idea, cos when deals are posted, you do get to choose from a list of deals, such as, general shopping, electrical etc so is the basis already there?
[admin]#8
You can do those kind of sorts on the front page. Maybe we should make a customisable front page using the same preferences as those in the Deal Alerts?
#9
Yeah, the deals forum is getting so busy, it might need to be split up like you guys have suggested above, like electricals, health and beauty, entertainment etc...
#10
Admin
You can do those kind of sorts on the front page. Maybe we should make a customisable front page using the same preferences as those in the Deal Alerts?


good thinking Paul :thumbsup:
#11
Sort out the vouchers section. Could the vouchers not be in a drop down box instead of one long page full of them?

Its a useful part of the site, but takes forever to load, even on high speed broadband.

Make it so that any old vouchers expire after a month and get deleted? Not many vouchers stay around for over a month. If I'm proven wrong on that one, so be it.
[admin]#12
If you use the front page filter you can select the merchant and then choose type as voucher.

I get the feeling our forum members don't use the front page too much ;)
#13
What, there's a site here, not just a forum? Damn, my bad
#14
emmajk42
Yeah, the deals forum is getting so busy, it might need to be split up like you guys have suggested above, like electricals, health and beauty, entertainment etc...



I agree with sorting out the deals into different sections.:thumbsup:
#15
You could sort deals by price too!

Say you only had a tenner left, a drop down box saying items priced between 0-£10. You get me?

Apart from that, the idea of categories sound good.:thumbsup:
#16
Here is what I think:

1. Make forum invisible for guests.
2. Registered users can see deals but only after they contribute somehow to forum (make useful posts or post a deal themselves). And not in flaming section :)
3. Close For Sale/Trade topic
4. For each section on forum assign "team leader" in addition to global mods. These leaders could act as mods but only within their sections.
5. Now when site grown up, it make sense to contact companies for a deals like the one with SVP.
6. To better inform users of products, ask companies to send their device (they know what is going to be on promotion in a month time anyway) well in advance to nominated people for review. These people must review products but keep silent until promotion will start.
7 . Nominate one of mods as interface to companies. Such mod should contact companies in case of misprice (when misprice was revealed by the company in question) and get their official statement regarding it. Once such statement was received then publish it in relevant thread and this should be the end of discussion.
8. People who make a lots of useful posts, informing others of deals or posting vouchers, will get a "performance incentive" in form of ahem.. Amazon voucher or so. This is to prevent people to sit and wait until someone would find deal for them.
9. Integrate quidco links into deals when possible.

That's pretty much it.
#17
are you sure your finished Kommunist ?? :giggle: :p
#18
come on Kommunist
I know you have more points
like them :)
#19
He does talk a lot of sense the lad doesn't he?
Good clear concise post, some thought's gone into that too :)
#20
Multiple sections for hot deals would increase traffic and decrease effiecency, would rather deals were listed closer together and 50 deals listed per page

As for Kommunists comments:

1. Make forum invisible for guests.
While I can see why, ALOT of useful information and feedback is given on threads so this I wouldn't agree with.

2. Registered users can see deals but only after they contribute somehow to forum (make useful posts or post a deal themselves). And not in flaming section
Elitist imo would spark spamming for new users so they could see deals, new users need to feel as welcome as people with 40,000 posts...

3. Close For Sale/Trade topic
I agree with this unfortunately, too much dodgy scams and hassle, unless someone can introduce a better system any ideas?

4. For each section on forum assign "team leader" in addition to global mods. These leaders could act as mods but only within their sections.
Hmmmm more mods do not have to be section specific, they can mod other sections if they think they can contribute there, section specific is too seperatist, more discussion on this by current mods in the admin forum is needed really

5. Now when site grown up, it make sense to contact companies for a deals like the one with SVP.
Agreed, SVP, Big Pockets etc all do forum specific deals but only if it does not effect the NEUTRAL bias of this site which i REALLY appreciate and many others do too. I would hate to see HUKD companies pockets which I have seen elsewhere and introduce censorship etc.

6. To better inform users of products, ask companies to send their device (they know what is going to be on promotion in a month time anyway) well in advance to nominated people for review. These people must review products but keep silent until promotion will start.
Alot more information on the conditions of stuff like this would need to be discussed, also companies rely on ignorant customers, not all will want it, also places like Which magazine etc exists for proper reviews, just alot tend to be specialised, a non subscription Which magazine would be nice where it's far more open.

7 . Nominate one of mods as interface to companies. Such mod should contact companies in case of misprice (when misprice was revealed by the company in question) and get their official statement regarding it. Once such statement was received then publish it in relevant thread and this should be the end of discussion.
While 99.9% of misprices are not honoured, some are, the Sagem £30 phone with free hifi was £130 on the Woolies site, they still delivered this to me, albeit this was years ago, I say leave misprices for them to discover, also DSG have deliberate misprices, ie £120 Sony 32" CRT which they will never honour or similar, while plausible DSG will never honour those prices, the law needs to change really alot of stores abuse the lax T&C's and laws they currently have, web sales are massively increasing they need to learn from their mistakes


8. People who make a lots of useful posts, informing others of deals or posting vouchers, will get a "performance incentive" in form of ahem.. Amazon voucher or so. This is to prevent people to sit and wait until someone would find deal for them.
Bribary springs to mind here... however a private hidden forum for experienced users I would not object to, elitist? possibly, but a good idea nonetheless so long as it doesn't hide things from the public (ie good deals/information etc), a place real contributors and helpers can post without interference from newbies without wanting to be 1337 :)

9. Integrate quidco links into deals when possible.
Integrate? but they are user specific? Would mean forum users identify their quidco account into their HUKD forum one, I wouldn't want this and prefer it to be seperate and 2 seperate sites, they should not integate imo.
#21
SHEeeeeeeeeeeesh boy,

You honestly couldnt have just sat there and wrote all that out, thats been like a months work at least lol
#22
Hey admin wanted feedback and Kommunists list brought up some very good points even if I disagree with some of them,
#23
You want some more? Here we go:

1. Rep:

How about changing rep system to something as follows:
when someone is posting deal, then users might say "thanks" to OP by clicking special button. Once it reaches certain threshold (10 thanks?) then user would get one point. The threshold is needed to filter tit-for-tat and 'friendly' voting.
Same could be done for every post (otherwise, my rep would be pretty much zero :)).
The 'thanks' from users whose rep is 100 points and above, worth 2 'thanks'; 1000 points - 3 and so on. But it won't count towards threshold, so that single 'thanks' from mod won't automatically lead to point received.

2. Abuse.
When someone is posting an abusive post, it could be reported to mods, who should issue a warning to said user. After 5 warnings, user is automatically banned for 2 weeks (cooling off period). During this time, he is not allowed to visit forum (ban by IP) or login.
If after cooling off period, user still misbehaving, then he should be banned forever, no exceptions.


Can't think of anything else really :)
#24
Dunno how Rep and Abuse should be dealt with really, I'll plead ignorant :)
#25
[COLOR=Magenta]See my comments[/COLOR][COLOR=Magenta] below[/COLOR]

1. Make forum invisible for guests.
While I can see why, ALOT of information and feedback is given on threads so this I wouldn't agree with.
[COLOR=Magenta]If someone is too lazy to register and do not participate in forum, let'em use Pricerunner - it is easy and doesn't require registraton. I prefer to see here people actively participating in this forum, not just 'grab'em quickly' types.[/COLOR]

2. Registered users can see deals but only after they contribute somehow to forum (make useful posts or post a deal themselves). And not in flaming section
Elitist imo, new users need to feel as welcome as people with 40,000 posts...
[COLOR=Magenta]If you want to get something, give something as well, not just sit and wait. Isn't it only fair?[/COLOR]

3. Close For Sale/Trade topic
I agree with this unfortunately, too much dodgy scams and hassle, unless someone can introduce a better system
[COLOR=Magenta]Glad to see you agreeing with at least some of my points :)[/COLOR]

4. For each section on forum assign "team leader" in addition to global mods. These leaders could act as mods but only within their sections.
Hmmmm more mods do not have to be section specific, they can mod other sections if they think they can contribute there, section specific is too seperatist.
[COLOR=Magenta]The idea is to let 'section' mods to concentrate on their particular sections, where they have most knowledge. For example, some people could lead 'computers' section, giving advice on what is best on the market right now, etc but not 'mobiles' section. [/COLOR]

5. Now when site grown up, it make sense to contact companies for a deals like the one with SVP.
Agreed, SVP, Big Pockets etc all do forum specific deals but only if it does not effect the NEUTRAL bias of this site has and doesn't go into any companies pockets which I have seen elsewhere.
[COLOR=Magenta]I can't see how exactly it could be biased? For example, if you are after product XYZ and this product is cheaper at, say, Boots, would you go to site-sponsoring site where it is more expensive? Just to make Paul feel better? :)[/COLOR]

6. To better inform users of products, ask companies to send their device (they know what is going to be on promotion in a month time anyway) well in advance to nominated people for review. These people must review products but keep silent until promotion will start.
Alot more information on the conditions of stuff like this would need to be discussed, also companies rely on ignorant customers, not all will want it
[COLOR=Magenta]Well, I did it in the past and it worked with some companies and didn't with others, so I agree. But I would like to provide people with an informed choice, so that they won't buy just because it is cheap (and rubbish) or because of PR stunts, or because they read pay-per-line review.[/COLOR]

7 . Nominate one of mods as interface to companies. Such mod should contact companies in case of misprice (when misprice was revealed by the company in question) and get their official statement regarding it. Once such statement was received then publish it in relevant thread and this should be the end of discussion.
While 99.9% of misprices are not honoured, some are, the Sagem £30 phone with free hifi was £130 on the Woolies site, they still delivered this to me, albeit this was years ago, I say leave misprices for them to discover, also DSG have deliberate misprices, ie £120 Sony 32" CRT which they will never honour or similar, while plausible DSG will never honour those prices, the law needs to change really, web sales are massively increasing they need to learn from their mistakes
[COLOR=Magenta]Have you noticed this: "[/COLOR]when misprice was revealed by the company in question"[COLOR=Magenta]? I too think that if mods would contact company before people placed their orders and therefore alarming company, this would be wrong. But, when problem is discovered, instead of pages of rantings, it would help to have some sort of Q&A session with company in question. Maybe I am asking for too much :)[/COLOR]

8. People who make a lots of useful posts, informing others of deals or posting vouchers, will get a "performance incentive" in form of ahem.. Amazon voucher or so. This is to prevent people to sit and wait until someone would find deal for them.
Bribary springs to mind here... however a private hidden forum for experienced users I would not object to, elitist? possibly, but a good idea nonetheless so long as it doesn't hide things from the public (ie good deals/information etc), a place real contributors and helpers can post without interference from newbies without wanting to be 1337 :)
[COLOR=Magenta]Well, the idea is same old "give more, get more". I feel that people who constantly posting new deals and thus contributing to forum's success, are deserving some sort of remuneration.

[/COLOR] 9. Integrate quidco links into deals when possible.
Integrate? but they are user specific? Would mean forum users identify their quidco account into their HUKD forum one, I wouldn't want this and prefer it to be seperate and 2 seperate sites, they should not integate imo.
[COLOR=Magenta]Since Quidco and HUKD are both ran by the same people, I can't see why databases could not be shared. But I am not insisting on this one :) [/COLOR]
#26
Well Kommunist has reached my lazyness threshold, he makes good counterpoints but I stand by what I said :)
#27
Well said, shizoboy :thumbsup: So let's see if someone from HUKD team would answer it ;)
#28
It would be nice if a mod or admin responded to our comments
Maybe they're waiting for more people to post this evening?
#29
Jazon
Well, to start with you're not the next youtube or myspace


Who said they were trying to compete? :| all that was asked was for ideas on how to improve the forum
[admin]#30
Jazon - Please watch your language and attitude. This thread is borne out of various comments that members have made and as a site we're all trying to make it better for everyone. We are not in any kind of competition with anyone :roll:

saxo/schizo or whoever posted the feedback comment - yup I will post again but I don't want to limit any thoughts right now, I'd rather see them bubble up without feeling they have to pass inspection.
#31
Jazon
Stuff my turkey saxo :p


Admin was asking for ideas to improve the site (although it has seen an explosive growth in the recent months) by putting members in the heart of any improvements. I'm sure you can feel free to criticise if you dont like anything but please be constructive. :thumbsup:
#32
I doubt Paul thinks he has the next youtube.

However I think HUKD is very good at trumping MSE for user friendlyness and design, it's just so much nicer to use, I can imagine alot of useful but options be adding to the forum, but nothing vital.

MSE is due for a complete redesign and I wouldn't be surprised if they have a project in the backround.

One thing that seperates MSE to HUKD is the affiliate links and the clarity MSE have, the articles clearly show what links help the site and which do not. How this should be done/changed on HUKD I'm sure, but I appreciate the clarity and choice MSE provides.
#33
I tried MSE but i couldnt work it out. I couldnt find the deals or anything. i much prefer HUKD and prob wont use MSE again. I also dont just use this forum/site to find deals. i like to have a banter, read ppls opinions, get involved and learn new things every day.

the for sale thread is open to abuse, as any online sales are. But i think to have the option is still good. i think scams are not only down to the scammer, but also down to ppl not taking the advice from the mods/admin.

i like the idea of seperating the topics into for eg, computing, entertainment, etc. but also i think the hot deals main page can be a bit rubbish for me. i mean some deals on there like plasma tvs for £1,800 (EG) may be a deal but like someone pointed out. it may be good to have a special deals section where the deals are less than £5 or something, as those are the deals id say 90% of ppl will buy cos there cheap enough to take a chance on. hope i make sense. im tired and babbling lol
#34
schizoboy
It would be nice if a mod or admin responded to our comments
Maybe they're waiting for more people to post this evening?


I think admin is just after some brainstorming in here, just like you have been doing :)
#35
Well.. I ran out of ideas. So it would be nice if Paul or other mods could give their opinion or participate in debates.
[admin]#36
[COLOR=Magenta]See my comments[/COLOR][COLOR=Magenta] below[/COLOR]

1. Make forum invisible for guests.
While I can see why, ALOT of information and feedback is given on threads so this I wouldn't agree with.
[COLOR=Magenta]If someone is too lazy to register and do not participate in forum, let'em use Pricerunner - it is easy and doesn't require registraton. I prefer to see here people actively participating in this forum, not just 'grab'em quickly' types.

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]The forum has always been open and always will be open. There are tweaks we can do to this but fundamentally I believe in an open forum. Many many members start by sharing on an existing thread after reading the comments. Often this information they share is something we wouldn't know otherwise so by hiding threads we will shoot ourselves in the foot. We have members that lurk here for months or years and then all of a sudden see where they fit in and start posting. I really do believe forums should be open, besides many of the grab-em-quick people are registered members so I don't see it helping that situation.[/COLOR]
[/COLOR]
2. Registered users can see deals but only after they contribute somehow to forum (make useful posts or post a deal themselves). And not in flaming section
Elitist imo, new users need to feel as welcome as people with 40,000 posts...
[COLOR=Magenta]If you want to get something, give something as well, not just sit and wait. Isn't it only fair?

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Same as above. [/COLOR]
[/COLOR]
3. Close For Sale/Trade topic
I agree with this unfortunately, too much dodgy scams and hassle, unless someone can introduce a better system
[COLOR=Magenta]Glad to see you agreeing with at least some of my points :)

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]We will be bringing in some tools to help people here and stabilise the forum. I think some members who are stirring up trouble in that forum may be shown the door also or asked to stay out. There needs to be some education on our part as to the risk ratio of dealing in there.[/COLOR]
[/COLOR]
4. For each section on forum assign "team leader" in addition to global mods. These leaders could act as mods but only within their sections.
Hmmmm more mods do not have to be section specific, they can mod other sections if they think they can contribute there, section specific is too seperatist.
[COLOR=Magenta]The idea is to let 'section' mods to concentrate on their particular sections, where they have most knowledge. For example, some people could lead 'computers' section, giving advice on what is best on the market right now, etc but not 'mobiles' section.

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]I like this![/COLOR]
[/COLOR]
5. Now when site grown up, it make sense to contact companies for a deals like the one with SVP.
Agreed, SVP, Big Pockets etc all do forum specific deals but only if it does not effect the NEUTRAL bias of this site has and doesn't go into any companies pockets which I have seen elsewhere.
[COLOR=Magenta]I can't see how exactly it could be biased? For example, if you are after product XYZ and this product is cheaper at, say, Boots, would you go to site-sponsoring site where it is more expensive? Just to make Paul feel better? :)

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Again a good idea and something we are trying to move towards. Not to bias things or give companies special treatment but to get special offers for HUKD members on reputable/popular merchants. I don't see us in the role of "introducing" new merchants with an "offer".[/COLOR]
[/COLOR]
6. To better inform users of products, ask companies to send their device (they know what is going to be on promotion in a month time anyway) well in advance to nominated people for review. These people must review products but keep silent until promotion will start.
Alot more information on the conditions of stuff like this would need to be discussed, also companies rely on ignorant customers, not all will want it
[COLOR=Magenta]Well, I did it in the past and it worked with some companies and didn't with others, so I agree. But I would like to provide people with an informed choice, so that they won't buy just because it is cheap (and rubbish) or because of PR stunts, or because they read pay-per-line review.

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Tough one. Would change the direction of the site quite a bit but I think it would be useful. At this point the amount of organisation and development we would need to do there make this a farther in the future possiblity.[/COLOR]
[/COLOR]
7 . Nominate one of mods as interface to companies. Such mod should contact companies in case of misprice (when misprice was revealed by the company in question) and get their official statement regarding it. Once such statement was received then publish it in relevant thread and this should be the end of discussion.
While 99.9% of misprices are not honoured, some are, the Sagem £30 phone with free hifi was £130 on the Woolies site, they still delivered this to me, albeit this was years ago, I say leave misprices for them to discover, also DSG have deliberate misprices, ie £120 Sony 32" CRT which they will never honour or similar, while plausible DSG will never honour those prices, the law needs to change really, web sales are massively increasing they need to learn from their mistakes
[COLOR=Magenta]Have you noticed this: "[/COLOR]when misprice was revealed by the company in question"[COLOR=Magenta]? I too think that if mods would contact company before people placed their orders and therefore alarming company, this would be wrong. But, when problem is discovered, instead of pages of rantings, it would help to have some sort of Q&A session with company in question. Maybe I am asking for too much :)

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Rather than us giving the statement what we should probably do is contact companies in question asking them to provide a public statement in that thread. Would be good if the merchants will come on board for that. The legal implications mean that would probably not happen though.[/COLOR]
[/COLOR]
8. People who make a lots of useful posts, informing others of deals or posting vouchers, will get a "performance incentive" in form of ahem.. Amazon voucher or so. This is to prevent people to sit and wait until someone would find deal for them.
Bribary springs to mind here... however a private hidden forum for experienced users I would not object to, elitist? possibly, but a good idea nonetheless so long as it doesn't hide things from the public (ie good deals/information etc), a place real contributors and helpers can post without interference from newbies without wanting to be 1337 :)
[COLOR=Magenta]Well, the idea is same old "give more, get more". I feel that people who constantly posting new deals and thus contributing to forum's success, are deserving some sort of remuneration.

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]One thing I've always worried about when doing any promos like this or such is that I do not want to "pay" members to contribute. I think that just ends up in biased posts and contributions. People start posting all sorts of crap and also they get really defensive about their deals if they get slated by other members. There's a lot of problematic social issues with that. I think members need to post because they have found a good deal rather than because they are getting incentivised to do it. [/COLOR]

[/COLOR] 9. Integrate quidco links into deals when possible.
Integrate? but they are user specific? Would mean forum users identify their quidco account into their HUKD forum one, I wouldn't want this and prefer it to be seperate and 2 seperate sites, they should not integate imo.
[COLOR=Magenta]Since Quidco and HUKD are both ran by the same people, I can't see why databases could not be shared. But I am not insisting on this one :)


[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Although personally I am involved with both they are separate entities with separate people involved with each site. Member information cannot be shared as they are separate legal entities and data protection laws are not going to allow that. In any case this comes back to keeping HUKD as a deals site and I do not want to compromise our position here by entwining it with the politics of another site. We need to have HUKD independent and accountable only to itself, otherwise the freedom and bias of this site would be compromised.
[/COLOR][/COLOR]
#37
Thanks for your replies, very interesting :)
#38
I really like the seperation idea, like electrics, beauty and health etc i honestly think thats one top notch idea.
It really will help looking for Deals more easily, plus you should have a thread just like you do already that has ALL the deals in it just incase some of us want to see what new deal has just been posted.

Also i think there should be more mods on here, just because the load of users is getting higher which means more work for the amount of mods we have now, i think it would ease of the pressure a bit plus most (well some) of us are pretty clued up and know whats right or wrong.
#39
Yay i said about seperating stuff, therefore i should be a mod :giggle:

j/k
#40
Joshanna
Yay i said about seperating stuff, therefore i should be a mod :giggle:

j/k


There are a series of "krypton factor" style tests which you have to pass to become a mod. It's tough going :p

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