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#1
Ive been long member to, I always manage to get the odd deal. Id suggest using rss feeds and outlook.
The site wouldn't be as popular if people had to register first. I think its the persons choice to register for a site. I turn away from sites that have to register to see anything.
#3
You do all the dirty work the lurkers take all the best deals simple.
I was going to buy a storage box from tesco the other day same as a lot of people but within 10mins of this being posted it had gone to out of stock i cannot believe tesco only had 10 or so in stock as it was a brand new deal that day and said the promo was going to last till today looking again at the post it looks like only about 3 people managed to get one. i looked at how many members there were online then how many lurkers there were and it was something like 5/1 in favour of the lurkers.
#4
waterloo
i looked at how many members there were online then how many lurkers there were and it was something like 5/1 in favour of the lurkers.


Thats not really true, its next to impossible to know the true figure. All that says is that 5 times as many people are not logged in. I'm sure many of these will already be members and perhaps quickly browsing on a different computer or not having the 'remember me' box checked...
#5
I quite agree. I'd love to see there be a members only section, but Admin has always pretty much said no, not gonna happen - to my mind there's no advantage to being a giver in this community, so it's no wonder people just leech...myself included these days,I rarely submit deals...I just tell my friends instead if I happen across something, why should I do the hard work for some douche to come along and buy 50 for ebaying etc?
#6
jah128
Thats not really true, its next to impossible to know the true figure. All that says is that 5 times as many people are not logged in. I'm sure many of these will already be members and perhaps quickly browsing on a different computer or not having the 'remember me' box checked...


I know mate its been said before and will be said again and again but only 3 people got the storage box before it went out of stock and nobody has since come online to say that they got one so i think its true a lot of the times.
#7
Starlet
I quite agree. I'd love to see there be a members only section, but Admin has always pretty much said no, not gonna happen - to my mind there's no advantage to being a giver in this community, so it's no wonder people just leech...myself included these days,I rarely submit deals...I just tell my friends instead if I happen across something, why should I do the hard work for some douche to come along and buy 50 for ebaying etc?


I agree with you so much.
#8
I understand the frustration but remember everyone who is now a member will have visited the site in the past, probably seen a few deals and then decided they want to join. Lots of these members then go on to find and submit deals themselves. I personally agree with admin on this one, I think hiding deals in a members only area would actually have a negative effect on the site, but it is a worthwhile debate and admin's decision might one day be changed.

This thread should probably be merged with the one listed in feedback as it is really a feedback issue...
#9
Admin wont do it because they want get as much money for the referral links. Also is this site not owned by quidco ?
#10
No, quidco and HUKD are seperate entities but the owner of this site is also involved in the ownership of quidco...
#11
jah128
I understand the frustration but remember everyone who is now a member will have visited the site in the past, probably seen a few deals and then decided they want to join. Lots of these members then go on to find and submit deals themselves. I personally agree with admin on this one, I think hiding deals in a members only area would actually have a negative effect on the site, but it is a worthwhile debate and admin's decision might one day be changed.

This thread should probably be merged with the one listed in feedback as it is really a feedback issue...


I have several friends and people from work who use HUKD purely as a way to get products to sell on eBay, they laugh about how easy it is - see a deal, do a price comparison, if it's a good one buy 10, if it's a GREAT one buy 25...they've never given to the site and never plan to.

I was laughing like a mad woman the other day when one was complaining that it was so hard to get something from HUKD these days, thanks to 'sad *******s with too much spare time on their hands' beating them to the punch lol
#12
jah128
No, quidco and HUKD are seperate entities but the owner of this site is also involved in the ownership of quidco...
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
#13
Moved to feedback forum rather than in misc...
#14
I agree. It has changed an awful lot. I still can't get used to the site...
[HUKD Blog Network]#15
Would there be a rule that members have to post x many times then each day/week tho as i dont see whats to stop people joining up them simply lurking.. I understand its frustrating when you miss out on a deal your interested in tho- i hate it too but i guess its swings and roundabouts....
[helper]#16
The obvious answer is to move to a different site which is less well known but of course the flip side to this is that there are less deals posted. So you have to decide - this site where many deals are posted but go fast or a smaller site where deals last longer but only a few are posted.........

Even if you restrict this to members only how will that make the non-contributors post deals?
#17
I too would like to see a members only forum, even if it meant members getting the deals for 1 hour before the lurkers get to see it would be something.
#18
As a lurker most of the time, I would rather there was not a members only forum. I don't really want to login with my ID at work when I occasionally surf the net during the lunch time.

Not only that but I fail to see how having everyone sign in will stop people snapping up deals to sell on Ebay. That is to say, THOSE people are the ones who treat this sort of thing like a business. So if they are that serious about it, they are likely just to register and stay logged in.

Also I hate forums that try to hide away sections which are very relevant to the forum.

eg if I go to a tech support forum, I don't want the tech support part stuff to be hidden away unless I register, otherwise how will I know if its a good website or not.
On the other hand, if its say the personal topics nothing to do with the tech support, eg banter between the members, then that is fine.

So here in Hotukdeals, making Misc or feedback hidden to members only would be okay with me [Assuming that people did not start posting deals in there - and any deals posted in there were moved by mods to the deals section]. If the deals section had been hidden when I first arrived, I would not have joined at all - because I would assume they just want my email address to spam.

Those are just my thoughts though..
[admin]#19
I've said what I think about member only areas before and someone linked to that thread above (so if you want to read click there).

I guess the other way to think of it is in terms of a bigger view. So Starlet says she only tells her friends about deals instead of posting here. Ok great but how many deals do you find Starlet? I doubt that many in the scheme of things. So if everyone did that no-one would find deals except now and then. That would take us back to pre-HUKD days when someone would randomly find a bargain, tell their mates and it would end there.

There is no doubt that the more people the faster some deals go. At the same time there is a heck of a lot more deals found.

I think the advantages of the bigger community finding more deals outweighs the disadvantages of deals going quicker. In one perspective you could say that the deals which go fast wouldn't even be found otherwise (or you wouldn't know about them) so you're not missing anything anyway and at least 5 people gained.
#20
chuckles2007

Also I hate forums that try to hide away sections which are very relevant to the forum.
eg if I go to a tech support forum, I don't want the tech support part stuff to be hidden away unless I register, otherwise how will I know if its a good website or not..................


How many deals get posted on HUKD, that you go to the web site, BUT YOU HAVE to register first so that you can get to the checkout box to confirm that your voucher/discount has been applied!
Why do we all have to register with Tom,Dick and Harry.co.uk to confirm such a deal, but not with HUKD?
It's all to do with the contribution. Why have golf, cricket or whatever club if outsiders could simply walk in and sit down in the very best seats for nothing?
#21
Hmm... I don't know whether to agree or not. I'm 50/50
#22
gari189
The obvious answer is to move to a different site which is less well known but of course the flip side to this is that there are less deals posted. So you have to decide - this site where many deals are posted but go fast or a smaller site where deals last longer but only a few are posted.........

Even if you restrict this to members only how will that make the non-contributors post deals?


Have to say that having been here since October 2006....despite the muchly increased member base there isn't an increase in decent deals...an increase in deals to wade through sure, but all the stonkers got posted as much back then as they do now.

HUKD is still the place to be, imho because it's still a great website...it's great for the freebies, it's great for price comparisons and making sure you get the best deal on an item you are looking to buy...but it's no longer good in the sense of getting a real bargain, one of those beuties that you come online not even knowing you want...but leaving having bought one at knock down price, I can't remember the last time I ordered something like that from a thread at HUKD...because these days unless you are online within an hour or so of it being posted, you have no chance.
#23
Starlet;1740037
Have to say that having been here since October 2006....despite the muchly increased member base there isn't an increase in decent deals...an increase in deals to wade through sure, but all the stonkers got posted as much back then as they do now.

HUKD is still the place to be, imho because it's still a great website...it's great for the freebies, it's great for price comparisons and making sure you get the best deal on an item you are looking to buy...but it's no longer good in the sense of getting a real bargain, one of those beuties that you come online not even knowing you want...but leaving having bought one at knock down price, I can't remember the last time I ordered something like that from a thread at HUKD...because these days unless you are online within an hour or so of it being posted, you have no chance.


Yep, I agree with a lot of that. I'm not going to act like I find many deals, because I don't, but it just seems to be the same stuff all the time now. Off the top of my head, when I think about deals here now, I'd summarise them as:

Argos items
Tesco items
Groceries
DVDs at £2.99 and under
Computers/console games

It really doesn't feel like there's much else these days. I know exactly what you mean about there not being any sudden AMAZING deals - like the website glitch with O2 that got some of us a free phone - it's 95% "meh" deals now. I know that's just personal opinion, but I do think some people's houses must be chock full of stuff they didn't really want but bought because it was cheap. :lol: I can't provide deals myself, because 1) I haven't got the patience to trawl around shopping sites looking for things and 2) I don't really buy that much anyway!
#24
I think everyone also has to accept that online retailing is still in it's infancy but getting more mature by the day.

If one had access to the right information I would expect to find that a lot of the "stonking" deals from back along would not even make it to the checkout now.
This can be seen by the fact that there appear to be very few genuine misprices nowadays and even if they are found companies just will not honour them in the main.
Retailing websites are growing up very quickly and the mistakes of the past are becoming fewer and fewer.

I would also have expected online retailing to have been heavily subsidised in it's beginnings and as part of that subsidy goods were being sold quite frequently with an extremely large discount if not loss.

I do think that a lot of companies have latched on to the likes of HUKD and are cleverly manipulating promotions and stock levels. The use of emailing to promote products has an instant effect on what gets posted on HUKD and others and it would be naive to think companies would not use that media for their own good.
I also think this area will become more sophisticated as it is with instore sales and promotions.

What does surprise me is that HUKD remains as independant as it is. With the potential "customer count" that HUKD generate on a daily basis it must be quite a desirable website. :)

All just my opinion of course.
#25
Starlet;1740037
Have to say that having been here since October 2006....despite the muchly increased member base there isn't an increase in decent deals...an increase in deals to wade through sure, but all the stonkers got posted as much back then as they do now.

HUKD is still the place to be, imho because it's still a great website...it's great for the freebies, it's great for price comparisons and making sure you get the best deal on an item you are looking to buy...but it's no longer good in the sense of getting a real bargain, one of those beuties that you come online not even knowing you want...but leaving having bought one at knock down price, I can't remember the last time I ordered something like that from a thread at HUKD...because these days unless you are online within an hour or so of it being posted, you have no chance.

I totally agree. I feel the site went downhill when it went through its 'Change'. Before then I don't think a day went by when I didn't log on and find something that made me think 'Wow what a bargain' and reach for my credit card. Now it's very infrequent. But as the site grows, the owners must be laughing all the way to the internet bank as their commissions come in with each link clicked, so the more links, the bigger the payday. And its actually a double payday as most people follow the link from here first and then when they decide to buy then go through Quidco to make the purchase so there's another commission. Nice work if you can get it! My prognosis is that very soon the site will implode under it's own size and spawn the birth of new and smaller sites and it will all begin again.
#26
kingy58
I totally agree. I feel the site went downhill when it went through its 'Change'. Before then I don't think a day went by when I didn't log on and find something that made me think 'Wow what a bargain' and reach for my credit card.


I've seen this said but haven't seen any proof of it. For example I know several people left, but most of those went to either pastures old (MSE) or pastures new. As far as I can tell there haven't been any amazing deals posted since then to any of those pastures that haven't also been posted here. So what are these amazing deals that we are missing out on? :thinking:

I tend to agree with Hottoshop. Retailing, especially on-line retailing has matured at a rapid pace, especially over the past year, and the misprices/loopholes/untargeted vouchers of yesteryear are becomming harder to find. In just the same way that the bargains you used to get on eBay have all but dried up thanks to the shear popularity of it now and the wising up of traders.
#27
Every once in a while there will be a 2p bed so don't get too disheartened! :)
[admin]#28
It's fine to post these kind of threads but can we cut out some of the drama queen act?

kingy58 not to pick on you but your post is fairly dramatic and nonsensical. If there are no good deals and no-one is buying then why is the site laughing all the way to the bank??? That doesn't go together... it would be better for the greedy chortling site admin to find more good deals rather than less no?

As for your double payday theory it's actually totally wrong. If you go through a cashback site we get nothing. If we wanted to maximise making money we'd ban any mention of all cashback sites.

As hottoshop says most merchants have tightened up loopholes in their checkouts to prevent mistakes. That means there's less stupid misprices (they still happen though) but there are also lots of genuine deals too. Look at the freebie section for example - a free chocolate egg and 2gb usb drive just in the last few days. Don't tell me that's not a great steal.
#29
Look at the freebie section for example - a free chocolate egg and 2gb usb drive just in the last few days. Don't tell me that's not a great steal.


Kicks oneself for never going in the Freebies Forum nowadays !! doh !
#30
hottoshop
Kicks oneself for never going in the Freebies Forum nowadays !! doh !


Kick me while you're at it:thinking:
#31
Shengis
Kick me while you're at it:thinking:



Friendly wave to Shengis followed by a sly boot to the posterior ! :w00t:

See you in the Freebies mate :oops:
#32
hottoshop
Friendly wave to Shengis followed by a sly boot to the posterior ! :w00t:

See you in the Freebies mate :oops:


:lol:

And to think, many years ago all I did was scrounge freebies..... http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.consumers.uk-freebies/browse_thread/thread/8b2e21a842a201cf/8a2508f649eb47a4?hl=en&lnk=st&q=sh4dy#
#33
I find that with the site being so big these days, many non mainstream deals get lost very quickly. There are so many new posts that unless you check the site every couple of hours, stuff just gets buried.
If the post is not for av equipment or console games, it stands a high chance of being voted cold and quickly relegated to pages that no one can be bothered to wade through.
The old front page used to be a pretty good indicator of a deals worth (IMHO), but now I find myself ignoring the 'hot' tab and just wading through the deals as they come in.
There are still some cracking deals posted, but it takes more work/time to find them.
#34
bod emrys
I find that with the site being so big these days, many non mainstream deals get lost very quickly. There are so many new posts that unless you check the site every couple of hours, stuff just gets buried.
If the post is not for av equipment or console games, it stands a high chance of being voted cold and quickly relegated to pages that no one can be bothered to wade through.
The old front page used to be a pretty good indicator of a deals worth (IMHO), but now I find myself ignoring the 'hot' tab and just wading through the deals as they come in.
There are still some cracking deals posted, but it takes more work/time to find them.


100% spot on IMO. :thumbsup:
[admin]#35
I think there is a herd mentality that comes out in voting (see digg or any user vote site) and that comes out when people know a deal is 'safe' to vote on. If someone sees common av/computer stuff posted they know if a deal is good or not so they feel comfortable voting. I think the way to counter this in non-standard deals is to post a nice summary of why you think it's a good deal and what research you did. That will help people who aren't totally familiar know how to vote or at least keep them from voting cold.

There is actually more niche stuff coming up I think which is great. I'd like to see more :)
#36
bod emrys;1743357
I find that with the site being so big these days, many non mainstream deals get lost very quickly. There are so many new posts that unless you check the site every couple of hours, stuff just gets buried.
If the post is not for av equipment or console games, it stands a high chance of being voted cold and quickly relegated to pages that no one can be bothered to wade through.
The old front page used to be a pretty good indicator of a deals worth (IMHO), but now I find myself ignoring the 'hot' tab and just wading through the deals as they come in.
There are still some cracking deals posted, but it takes more work/time to find them.


Yeah I think that is true to some extent - I've only been here a year but there are definately a lot more deals I'm not interest in...

That said topics tabs definately help narrow things down if you are after something(s) in particular, although I think a bit of a revision and a couple more topics might be a good idea - perhaps splitting entertainment into games, films and music or something - and adding a sports/leisure category...


Edit - Admin - mostly out of curiosity - roughly how many votes to most deals get (not just hot but in total)? Do many deals slip away with no votes at all (hot or cold)?
#37
I think a lot of it also comes down to a user's willingness to use the site properly. There are certainly ways to filter and sort, and even to customise the layout to suit you. But it's whether people will make the effort to use those facilities. I get the feeling sometimes that a lot of people don't even look past page one of the 'Hot' tab.
#38
BristolDeal;1743519
I get the feeling sometimes that a lot of people don't even look past page one of the 'Hot' tab.


I'm sure thats right - just as many people didn't navigate away from the front page in the old site design... Its a good thing really as those who navigate around and learn how the site works are those most likely to end up contributing to the community, and also benefit from the newest deals :)...
[admin]#39
jah128
Edit - Admin - mostly out of curiosity - roughly how many votes to most deals get (not just hot but in total)? Do many deals slip away with no votes at all (hot or cold)?


I haven't ever ran a query on that. If you go to New tab and then jump back a day or so that would give an idea though.

I agree with both of you on the depth of use comment. Some people will just view the fp and others will dig deeper into topics of interest and custom displays. A lot of the new site was built with that 'deep as you want to go' idea in mind.
#40
Admin;1743587
I haven't ever ran a query on that. If you go to New tab and then jump back a day or so that would give an idea though.


Ever run a query on average heat per retailer? That might be an interesting read :thumbsup:

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