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#1
There should be but how that would be possible I have no idea.
2 Likes #2
what counts as contribution! - the site is popular because of not only deals but the frienships that are made on here and the help that is given, sometimes help is given in a different way, the need to talk, the banter the knowing someone will cheer you up on here, I think it all counts, even the silly immature posters contribute something, if only to cheer up the people that need it. I know it is called HUKD but this site is popular not just for deals but for the friendshops formed on here, if this site were all deals I dont know if I wouild visit so much, its nice sometimes just to escape the deals, also people could say there are too many deals for computer games, etc - one mans meat etc....... It al matters and - we all contribute, in all different ways
#3
I agree the rep is a joke -
but the site is like a community now so "let it be"
1 Like #4
I agree with octobergirl and I would also make the point that FS/T is a forum, like misc, which is kindly provided by HUKD but is not part of deals and only there out of the goodness of Admin's heart.
Post count doesn't mean much, if anything, in terms of personal status.
About rep, you might be interested in this thread:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/29472...d.php?t=294724
Where Admin said this:
The advantage of putting rep in the profile is that it's meaningless

Now if you are talking about thread spoiling and inappropriate posts, especially in 'deals', then they should be reported so that mods can decide what to do.
#5
The lovely Octobergirl and chesso have summed up very well the use and reasons rep is given on HUKD. People use the site for many different reasons and assistance or experiences of others can count as much as a good deal. Each section has a number of regular contributors, whether it be deals, forums or just misc in general. Virtual friendships develop and in some cases flourish on and off line providing a community atmosphere.
Rep and user counts mean very little and should not be taken as a representation of anything other than the amount of time someone spends on here.. .. In my case far too much.. yes I should get a life .. well in fact I do have a life and as surprising as it may seem only spend a couple of hours a day looking though this site whilst doing other thing .

My 2d's worth .
#6
I very much agree with your point scimitar and disagree with the posts above, like many other sites this one does suffer from people simply posting for the sake of their postcount. There are very simple measures that can be taken that have worked effectively on other forums such as disabling the postcount entirely or only counting posts from the main deals forum or similar.

John
#7
Hows the bike going John?
At the first service yet?
Did you get my rubber ronnie tank protector info on your other post?
#8
Johnmcl7
I very much agree with your point scimitar and disagree with the posts above, like many other sites this one does suffer from people simply posting for the sake of their postcount. There are very simple measures that can be taken that have worked effectively on other forums such as disabling the postcount entirely or only counting posts from the main deals forum or similar.

John


But seriously John, why on earth does it matter ? I'm at a loss to understand why people get upset about post counts or rep.
If one uses the site frequently it becomes very apparent who the decent folk are and who the idiots are. I don't need rep or post count as a guideline for anything on here. It's useless in it's present form and I just accept that.

There are much more important issues to tackle in my opinion the least not being the amount of personal abuse in the Deals Forum at the moment.

Just forget Post Counts and Rep, don't even look at them and the problem is solved.

Just my opinion of course and respect to different ones :)
#9
Have to agree but i dont read the threads that these members take over and back slap each other so it really should not bother you if you dont click on the thread. Most of my rep and post count has been from deals and help given thats what i want it for i dont want it for sucking up on silly threads but others like these threads and as said before cheers them up i say each to there own.
#10
Misc is for general posting, for finding help and just general banter. I'm afraid if you dont like it. You know what to do.
#11
hottoshop;4575166
But seriously John, why on earth does it matter ? I'm at a loss to understand why people get upset about post counts or rep.

No-one is getting upset, the simple issue is that when people post of the sake of it that clogs up the system. In similar sized forums with similar posting behaviour, getting rid of the excess posting has made a substantial improvement to the overall forum.
If one uses the site frequently it becomes very apparent who the decent folk are and who the idiots are. I don't need rep or post count as a guideline for anything on here. It's useless in it's present form and I just accept that.

If you accept it then why are you so adverse to any suggestions about changing it and why post here? That's the way the feedback forum works as it's then up to admin/mods as to whether any action is taken.

There are much more important issues to tackle in my opinion the least not being the amount of personal abuse in the Deals Forum at the moment.

If it was a complex fix that was being suggested I'd agree with you but it's not, the function is built into the forum software and simple to implement. Also the issue isn't nearly as trivial as you believe and the knock-on effects would make a noticeable improvement to the forum.

Just forget Post Counts and Rep, don't even look at them and the problem is solved.

I'm sorry but that's rubbish - the problem is people here will not forget post counts and rep, all you need to do is look at the length of the absurd 'Congratulations' thread to see how important post counts are to people here. While you and I may believe postcount is nothing it's still often treated as being worth something particularly to those who are not familiar with members and just take the high post count at face value.
John
#12
Johnmcl7
No-one is getting upset, the simple issue is that when people post of the sake of it that clogs up the system. In similar sized forums with similar posting behaviour, getting rid of the excess posting has made a substantial improvement to the overall forum.

[COLOR="Blue"]Well it's obviously stirring you enough for you to debate the matter.
Explain to me so that I can understand why lower post counts make a substantial improvement to the overall forum please.[/COLOR]

If you accept it then why are you so adverse to any suggestions about changing it and why post here? That's the way the feedback forum works as it's then up to admin/mods as to whether any action is taken.

[COLOR="blue"]I'm not adverse to any suggestions, I posted because I am interested in why people get "upset" over the topic. I think I'm allowed to do that. I think I'm aware about how the feedback forum works John.[/COLOR]


If it was a complex fix that was being suggested I'd agree with you but it's not, the function is built into the forum software and simple to implement. Also the issue isn't nearly as trivial as you believe and the knock-on effects would make a noticeable improvement to the forum.

[COLOR="blue"]If it was simple to fix and the Admin wanted it fixed then it would have been done by now. The subject has been done to death in the past and no doubt will be in the future. You yourself know that so if anything your continued posting on the matter is only doing exactly what you are opposing.
( it's then up to admin/mods as to whether any action is taken)
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I'm sorry but that's rubbish - the problem is people here will not forget post counts and rep, all you need to do is look at the length of the absurd 'Congratulations' thread to see how important post counts are to people here. While you and I may believe postcount is nothing it's still often treated as being worth something particularly to those who are not familiar with members and just take the high post count at face value.
John


[COLOR="blue"]Do you not think that you might be just taking this subject a little too seriously John ?
People posting congratulations to increase post counts to make themselves feel or look superior. Other members holding people in high esteem because they have a high post count ?
I must be missing something because I just don't see it going on in the way you do.

I find people are judged by the quality of their posts, not the quantity. The majority of problem posts seem to come from members with a very low post count in my opinion. [/COLOR]

You can have the last word I think John as I would hate to be accused of increasing my post count ;-)
#13
Johnmcl7
While you and I may believe postcount is nothing it's still often treated as being worth something particularly to those who are not familiar with members and just take the high post count at face value.
John

I think the key issue here is that rep means something to new members. We may know it means nothing but noobs don't.

I believe it was Sassie who suggested that post count and rep should be removed entirely and that would probably be the most obvious solution if it were a serious problem (and noobs were being deliberately misled by those with high rep) but I don't think it is a problem....
#14
I think rep should be abolished, it doesn't really serve much purpose.
banned#15
deb8z
I think rep should be abolished, it doesn't really serve much purpose.


yep, totally agree, bring in a thanks button, with no count to it
#16
hottoshop;4575809
[COLOR=blue]Do you not think that you might be just taking this subject a little too seriously John ?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]You're the one that keeps making these suggestions, not me hence I think you're more pointing out your own position. I'm neither upset nor taking it 'too seriously', I'm simply responding to a thread on which I have an opinion on which is one of the basic functions of a forum. By removing a visible post count or not counting posts in offtopic areas it removes an immediate incentive to post - in practice this means less double/triple posting and less pollution of topics where someone posts an offhand remark with little or no relevence to the thread topic just to get a post in.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]
People posting congratulations to increase post counts to make themselves feel or look superior. Other members holding people in high esteem because they have a high post count ?
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[COLOR=blue]I must be missing something because I just don't see it going on in the way you do.[/COLOR]

Yes, I'd say you are missing something - the huge congratulations thread where people congratulate themselves on their postcount(!) would probably be a good place for you to start. If everyone here believes postcounts have no relevence then why have a very large thread purely on the aspect of postcounts?

[COLOR=blue]I find people are judged by the quality of their posts, not the quantity. The majority of problem posts seem to come from members with a very low post count in my opinion. [/COLOR]

That would be great if it was the case, but it isn't - it's particularly telling with new members and also as above, the very large thread on celebrating postcounts. If people are judged by their quality of their posts then why nothing to 'celebrate' this aspect?


You can have the last word I think John as I would hate to be accused of increasing my post count ;-)

And a petty way to finish it off although I'm not surprised, every time this is debated curiously the people who seem to be most riled by it are the ones with high post counts but at the same time claim postcounts mean nothing. I can't see why anyone who believes postcounts don't mean anything would have any issue with removing postcounts yet you seem to be adverse to the idea while at the same time claiming you don't believe postcounts are worth anything.

John
#17
sassie;4576674
yep, totally agree, bring in a thanks button, with no count to it

The thanks system is by far the best implementation of a rep system I've seen as it's entirely transparent which works in favour of those using it genuinely and against those who are not. Combining that with removing the displayed postcount would be a substantial improvement to the forum and obviously no-one could have an issue with that as no-one believes postcounts are worth anything ;-)

John
#18
Johnmcl7
The thanks system is by far the best implementation of a rep system I've seen as it's entirely transparent which works in favour of those using it genuinely and against those who are not. Combining that with removing the displayed postcount would be a substantial improvement to the forum and obviously no-one could have an issue with that as no-one believes postcounts are worth anything ;-)

John


The only "Thanks" system I have seen is on M.S.E, and it possible to see "Who thanked who", so members would be less inclined to "thank" the current/permanent targets of "The Miscs" latest cliqué for fear of being sent to Coventry.

I think it should be removed in it's entirety, or at least from "The Misc", as it can't be right that people who have never posted a Hot deal in their life should be flying high in the "Rep League".
#19
If you pop along to avforums you can see the same system where each member's post will show a list of members who thanked them for it as well as the total number of thanks given out and those given. In any implementation I've seen of the HUKD system (which is standard vbulletin as far as I'm aware) the same behaviour emerges and usually in an off topic area where you have a large thread with people just constantly repping each other and pretty much destroying the point of the rep in the first place.

John
#20
To repeat what I said above and to give more of the quote from Admin:

The advantage of putting rep in the profile is that it's meaningless... so people who get wound up and try to game it aren't actually gaming anything I'd love to put something related to hot deals in that space but I know it's only going to encourage cliques to try and game the temp which is so important to the site.
We did put "View FS/FT Feedback" link in there. We will get it updated to the proper feedback numbers at some point.


I would be happy to see both rep replaced/gone (and post count to be discontinued) but Admin has explained why it is there and even if I post the quote into the open forum on a daily basis, I cannot dissuade people from giving it an importance which it simply does not have.

Because, I regularly point out these facts, I wish that members would stop thinking that these numbers matter.

As to post count itself, I suppose that it does indicate that a member might be able to give some HUKD advice.
#21
Johnmcl7
[COLOR=black]
And a petty way to finish it off although I'm not surprised, every time this is debated curiously the people who seem to be most riled by it are the ones with high post counts but at the same time claim postcounts mean nothing. I can't see why anyone who believes postcounts don't mean anything would have any issue with removing postcounts yet you seem to be adverse to the idea while at the same time claiming you don't believe postcounts are worth anything.

John


Well you forced me to reply John, where on earth did I write that I was against any idea for removing postcounts or rep ?

I'll make my position absolutely clear so that you can understand.

I don't give a monkey's wotsits for post counts or rep.

I am not bothered whether they stay or go. In fact under the present system I would prefer they were not here. Scroll back to where I wrote they were useless.

There , I've wasted another 2 minutes of my life replying to something which is about as important as a episode of Eastenders.

John please take care in misquoting or assuming what people are writing or thinking. Stick to the facts and we'll all get along much better. :x
banned#22
I feel the post count is embarrassing and would like it removed, I'm more impressed with my join date :p and respect people more who have joined before me. I don't want people seeing I'm a sad **** and spend lots of time posting on here.

Also not being able to rep the same member for a month would break up the cliques ( a good thing )
#23
lumoruk
I feel the post count is embarrassing and would like it removed, I'm more impressed with my join date :p and respect people more who have joined before me. I don't want people seeing I'm a sad **** and spend lots of time posting on here.


+1
#24
sassie
yep, totally agree, bring in a thanks button, with no count to it


Yep,that would be a great improvement.
#25
thesaint
The only "Thanks" system I have seen is on M.S.E, and it possible to see "Who thanked who", so members would be less inclined to "thank" the current/permanent targets of "The Miscs" latest cliqué for fear of being sent to Coventry.

I think it should be removed in it's entirety, or at least from "The Misc", as it can't be right that people who have never posted a Hot deal in their life should be flying high in the "Rep League".


Have to agree what a good post :thumbsup: Also you just have to go on the many pointless game threads on here to get your post count up and rep count high today there was 7 on the first page not good why cannot we have just 1 or 2 max.
#26
hottoshop
Well you forced me to reply John, where on earth did I write that I was against any idea for removing postcounts or rep ?

Rather obviously from your posts which don't seem to agree with mine unless you've been busy editing. Despite the fact my post was far from the first, it was mine you jumped on for some reason.


I'll make my position absolutely clear so that you can understand.

I don't give a monkey's wotsits for post counts or rep.


I am not bothered whether they stay or go. In fact under the present system I would prefer they were not here. Scroll back to where I wrote they were useless.

There , I've wasted another 2 minutes of my life replying to something which is about as important as a episode of Eastenders.

Well certainly seems to be important to you based on your comments in this thread.


John please take care in misquoting or assuming what people are writing or thinking. Stick to the facts and we'll all get along much better. :x


There's no misquoting (it's what you typed!) and I am sticking to the facts although it seems you're a bit uncomfortable with those - I guess it makes it easier for you if I'm lying and changing your quotes but I'm afraid not. I'm going by what you've said in this thread which is a bit strange. You seem to immediately leap in with your claws out and completely misread both the thread and my post somehow think that I'm upset(?) about postcount whereas given your rather strong reaction which goes to the wrong post entirely that seems to be your issue not mine.

For someone who apparently agrees with my posts, your comments are truly bizarre and despite what you claim actions speak louder than words - you seem to place far more emphasis on postcounts than you seem to realise yourself or care to admit.

That still leaves the question of why you've not tried to shoot the thread starter down in flames, given I'm in apparent hysterics over postcounts surely someone who dared to start a thread on the topic must have a total obsession with the subject? Given you're apparently so chilled out and relaxed without a care in the world about the subject, why the replies here? I suspect there's more to your reaction than meets the eye here but it's hardly worth the effort to do the digging and quite frankly I don't really care nor does anyone else I suspect.

John
#27
I'd also like to see postcount disabled - or unlinked from misc - for the reasons mentioned in this thread.

Re the disagreement above, it appears to me to be an attitude clashing with a stated stance, and I understand why it frustrates. Best left imo though. Previous experience here suggests it will only go in one direction... ;-)
#28
thesaint;4577259
The only "Thanks" system I have seen is on M.S.E, and it possible to see "Who thanked who", so members would be less inclined to "thank" the current/permanent targets of "The Miscs" latest cliqué for fear of being sent to Coventry.



The "Thanks" system on MSE is abused on a regular basis especially in 'The Money Savers Arms' (the MSE equivalent of Misc on here) with some people amassing hugh amounts of thanks in a short time. One member has been thanked nearly 150,000 times in about six months.
banned#29
dontdothatagain
Misc is for general posting, for finding help and just general banter. I'm afraid if you dont like it. You know what to do.


rep for that!:thumbsup:
#30
barneydog
The "Thanks" system on MSE is abused on a regular basis especially in 'The Money Savers Arms' (the MSE equivalent of Misc on here) with some people amassing hugh amounts of thanks in a short time. One member has been thanked nearly 150,000 times in about six months.


That's why I brought it up, as a "thanks" system is just as easily abused.

If rep is indeed meaningless, it begs the question "Why have it". :thinking:

I believe it should mean something if it's to be there in full view, taunting me to join a thread to get my rep boosted by shamelessly congratulating people for thinking of a four letter word.
#31
thesaint;4586331
That's why I brought it up, as a "thanks" system is just as easily abused.

If rep is indeed meaningless, it begs the question "Why have it". :thinking:

I believe it should mean something if it's to be there in full view, taunting me to join a thread to get my rep boosted by shamelessly congratulating people for thinking of a four letter word.


Its not there 'in full view'. Most people in this thread passed the 1500 point milestone several thousand posts ago...
banned#32
jah128
Its not there 'in full view'. Most people in this thread passed the 1500 point milestone several thousand posts ago...


It took me 4,001 posts to find the Feedback forum
#33
jah128
Its not there 'in full view'. Most people in this thread passed the 1500 point milestone several thousand posts ago...


I'm not sure what you mean?

I am referring to everyone's rep bar, which is in full view. I also have no idea what the significance of 1500 points is.
#34
thesaint;4588592
I'm not sure what you mean?

I am referring to everyone's rep bar, which is in full view. I also have no idea what the significance of 1500 points is.


1500 points = a fulll rep-bar. (Actually it might be 1600 but thats not really relevant).

Almost 700 members have a full-rep bar, so its not really a discriminating factor if you see what I mean - if anything, it will encourage some newer members to be active in the forums and post deals/advice - it doesn't really take long (or very many good deals) to get the full bar...

If the full rep score was posted or something like the MSE thanks system was used it may well lead to abuse, but as is I don't really see the problem.
#35
jah128
1500 points = a fulll rep-bar. (Actually it might be 1600 but thats not really relevant).



Thanks, never knew about that. I had around 4-5000 points before I even ever saw my points.

jah128

Almost 700 members have a full-rep bar, so its not really a discriminating factor if you see what I mean - if anything, it will encourage some newer members to be active in the forums and post deals/advice - it doesn't really take long (or very many good deals) to get the full bar...


Or join one of the many threads that rep is thrown around like confetti.

jah128

If the full rep score was posted or something like the MSE thanks system was used it may well lead to abuse, but as is I don't really see the problem.


Agreed on that point. Which still begs the question "Why have it at all". It's all well and good Admin stating (I paraphrase) that it's meaningless, but that really doesn't cut it to me.

If forums that have a system whether it be "Rep", "Thanks", "Karma" etc, that is an indication of "something", then HUKD should have one that too indicates something should it not? I have been around long enough to know it means little/nothing, but users that join often want to know, and then set about getting points.

Some may post deals, but quite a few say "Congrats". :)
#36
thesaint;4591587
...Or join one of the many threads that rep is thrown around like confetti... :)


It does happen, but I honestly still believe 99% of the people who first join this site do so for the deals, and those that take an interest in building up their reputation bar do so mainly by posting deals and helping out in the other forums - I know I had full-rep bars from posting deals and giving advice long before I took any interest in the nonsense of the misc forum and the rep that can come from that nonsense.

Surely if the game of getting full rep-bars (as pointless, meaningless and futile as it may be) encourages people to find and post deals and help out others, it is a good thing? Thats my thoughts anyway :)
#37
jah128;4591981
those that take an interest in building up their reputation bar do so mainly by posting deals and helping out in the other forums


I totally agree with that, that is what I did.:)

Interestingly the algorithm that controls how much rep a member gives is heavily skewed to deals they have posted and the heat of those deals than the actual amount of rep they have.
Therefore people who post a lot of hot deals give more rep points.
For example Emma gives out 520+ points of rep which is a hell of lot more than most of the members above her in the rep league.


Another point is that before the spring of 2007 the rep algorithm was set so that everyone gave out more rep than now.
The algorithm was altered by Admin to reduce the amount of rep given out at the request of some senior members at that time as they though they were giving out too much in one go.
#38
Its a pity the algorithm was just 'tweaked' rather than capped, which would have been, and still is, a much better idea. Its daft that anyone can give 5 'rep circles' for one rep (and perhaps more significantly can't give less than that) - a cap of 100 points really would make sense :)
#39
jah128;4595505
Its a pity the algorithm was just 'tweaked' rather than capped, which would have been, and still is, a much better idea. Its daft that anyone can give 5 'rep circles' for one rep (and perhaps more significantly can't give less than that) - a cap of 100 points really would make sense :)



My post wasn't a pop at you or the other members it that thread as I agree with you Jah, the main reason for it was to point out that posting hot deals is the most important factor in the whole idea of rep and most of the reason for it's existance. :thumbsup::)
#40
Agreed (didn't think it was a pop either - just think its about time the algorithm was changed again - ideally to a capped amount...) :)

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