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#1
Agree, been requested many times before but wont ever happen.
banned#2
competitions are a waste of time, and have no place on a deals site IMO... having said that, I aint voted them cold.
#3
vibeone
competitions are a waste of time, and have no place on a deals site IMO... having said that, I aint voted them cold.


Same could be said about the misc section...

The option to vote cold should be removed or the name of the cold voter should be revealed. Sadly the mods can't be bothered doing either & HUKD will be a worse place for it.
#4
I agree with Skusey.
I was going to say that I am astonished that people vote cold on a freebie or a comp, and they certainly do, although there doesn't usually seem to be any reason for it - not in 'discussed' anyway. If it's free or it's a comp then surely if they have some actual reason for cold voting, then it should be explicit.
It's free; it's a comp -
if there is a discussion point then fine - there is the submit reply system.

I don't think it's spite, I think it's just that they don't want to win the prize, whatever it may be.
#5
chesso
I don't think it's spite, I think it's just that they don't want to win the prize, whatever it may be.


I disagree, someone went through all of the competitions posted this evening & took them down by 9 degrees - those were competitions for money, TVs & home entertainment systems, subscriptions to sky, holidays etc...
1 Like #6
I've went back through the last 30 contest posts, and there was not 1 single person cold voting them all.

However, if you do see this kind of suspicious pattern, it is worth dropping the mods a note, so we can have a quick spot check.

If someone is found to be serial cold voting, this is a breach of forum etiquette. It usually means a warning, and may lead to a ban, as it is a breach of the HUKD code of conduct.
#7
emmajk42
I've went back through the last 30 contest posts, and there was not 1 single person cold voting them all.

However, if you do see this kind of suspicious pattern, it is worth dropping the mods a note, so we can have a quick spot check.

If someone is found to be serial cold voting, this is a breach of forum etiquette. It usually means a warning, and may lead to a ban, as it is a breach of the HUKD code of conduct.


Which is why we need a list on each thread of who voted hot & who voted cold...
banned#8
Painkiller;6084032
Which is why we need a list on each thread of who voted hot & who voted cold...

ridiculous idea :x
#9
csiman;6084381
ridiculous idea :x

agreed...way to mess up the forums, get stalkers, learn our buying/voting patterns and stalk us for them!

and if your adding cold and should be made to comment, then i think visa versa should apply as well that if you vote hot a reason should be given then...again what a way to mess up the forums with even more 'misc' :thumbsup:
#10
csiman
ridiculous idea :x


Why?

On MSE you get a list of the people who thank you for a post.
#11
awoodhall2003
agreed...way to mess up the forums, get stalkers, learn our buying/voting patterns and stalk us for them!

and if your adding cold and should be made to comment, then i think visa versa should apply as well that if you vote hot a reason should be given then...again what a way to mess up the forums with even more 'misc' :thumbsup:


Nonsense.

It's merely a way to discourage people from voting stuff cold for no reason.

Giving a reason for voting hot is unnecessary.

It is equivalent to MSE's new likeability measure - there is no option for people to 'dislike' a post & rightly so. The option to cold vote should be completely removed so bad deals/comps/freebies will remain at 0 or low temperatures.
#12
Painkiller;6085151
Nonsense.

It's merely a way to discourage people from voting stuff cold for no reason.

Giving a reason for voting hot is unnecessary.

It is equivalent to MSE's new likeability measure - there is no option for people to 'dislike' a post & rightly so. The option to cold vote should be completely removed so bad deals/comps/freebies will remain at 0 or low temperatures.


Disagree. Yes a cap should be placed on cold temperatures - but the option to vote cold should absolutely not be removed. Neither should giving a reason be mandatory (although it should be encouraged if a reason has not already be given). Personally I don't really agree with the ban on 'serial' cold voting either, how does it mess up the forums any more than someone serially hot voting?
#13
jah128
Disagree. Yes a cap should be placed on cold temperatures - but the option to vote cold should absolutely not be removed. Neither should giving a reason be mandatory (although it should be encouraged if a reason has not already be given). Personally I don't really agree with the ban on 'serial' cold voting either, how does it mess up the forums any more than someone serially hot voting?


Voting something hot for no reason is not offensive to the OP. Voting something cold for no reason is offensive.

Because you've only posted a couple of deals in the last 2 years you might not notice or be bothered about it but when you post nearly everyday & your post gets shot down by 9 degrees within the first minute of it being on the site it gets quite annoying.

I could suggest that the only people who would mis the option to vote things cold are those who use the feature a lot - most people just ignore posts that they're not crazy about whereas others go out of their way to vote cold.

If the ability to vote cold is so important, why isn't this feature on other sites like (can't help but keep using it as an example) Money Saying Expert?

Giving a reason for cold voting is 'already encouraged by HUKD' but it hasn't worked. That's why I believe naming hot & cold voters would be better for discouraging people to vote things cold for no reason & should lead to fewer cold votes or reasons being left.
#14
Painkiller;6086320
Voting something hot for no reason is not offensive to the OP. Voting something cold for no reason is offensive.


Voting hot or cold for no reason is silly and does no favours to anyone. Voting deals hot without any though causes just as much 'damage' to the validity of deals as voting cold does. However, why is voting something cold if its not a good deal offensive?

Painkiller;6086320
Because you've only posted a couple of deals in the last 2 years you might not notice or be bothered about it but when you post nearly everyday & your post gets shot down by 9 degrees within the first minute of it being on the site it gets quite annoying.


Not every deal thats posted is 'hot'. Like I said, a cap would stop deals going sub-zero, so no reason for the OP to be 'offended'. I can't really see how anyone could find a bargain thats a genuine hot deal worthy of the front page nearly every day anyway...

Painkiller;6086320
I could suggest that the only people who would mis the option to vote things cold are those who use the feature a lot - most people just ignore posts that they're not crazy about whereas others go out of their way to vote cold.

If the ability to vote cold is so important, why isn't this feature on other sites like (can't help but keep using it as an example) Money Saying Expert?


This site always has been far, far better than MSE when it comes to highlighting good deals. Maybe you should ask why MSE don't use the system thats used here (probably because Mr.Lewis cares far more about publicising himself than having a good, usuable forum...)

Painkiller;6086320
Giving a reason for cold voting is 'already encouraged by HUKD' but it hasn't worked. That's why I believe naming hot & cold voters would be better for discouraging people to vote things cold for no reason & should lead to fewer cold votes or reasons being left.


Its an idea, but as said it would probably discourage voting in general, and increase stalking. The voting system is in no way perfect, but I believe that what you are suggesting will end up with even more mediocre mass-market deals becoming 'hotter' and truly good bargains with a smaller market-appeal being much harder to find...
[mod]#15
We have no need to see who's voted what way..........that's for the mods to look at and decide if something is amiss.

All it would cause is more petty childish sniping at people.
#16
jah128
Voting hot or cold for no reason is silly and does no favours to anyone. Voting deals hot without any though causes just as much 'damage' to the validity of deals as voting cold does. However, why is voting something cold if its not a good deal offensive?


Voting something cold for no reason is offensive. If it was a case of the wrong answer being put in a post, the wrong link assigned to an entry button or a repost then fine but too many competitions are being shot down within minutes of being postedfor no reason.


jah128
Not every deal thats posted is 'hot'. Like I said, a cap would stop deals going sub-zero, so no reason for the OP to be 'offended'. I can't really see how anyone could find a bargain thats a genuine hot deal worthy of the front page nearly every day anyway...


I never view anything on here via the 'hot' filter by default. My bookmark goes through the 'new' filter so I see all new posts instead of just the hot ones.

jah128
This site always has been far, far better than MSE when it comes to highlighting good deals. Maybe you should ask why MSE don't use the system thats used here (probably because Mr.Lewis cares far more about publicising himself than having a good, usuable forum...)


Asthetically this site is better. MSE has more of everything including a more diverse set of forums and a more friendly atmosphere.

jah128
Its an idea, but as said it would probably discourage voting in general, and increase stalking. The voting system is in no way perfect, but I believe that what you are suggesting will end up with even more mediocre mass-market deals becoming 'hotter' and truly good bargains with a smaller market-appeal being much harder to find...


I don't see how it would discourage voting at all. If people have a genuine reason to vote either way, listing their username shouldn't have any affect - I think I've suggested limiting who can see a list of who has voted hot or cold to the OP in a previous discussion.

Lets forget all other forums and consider applying changes only to the competition section - which is the area where the original complaint for this topic originates. It wouldn't do any harm to trial a couple of diferent methods over a week & see what happens.
#17
Painkiller;6089920
Voting something cold for no reason is offensive. If it was a case of the wrong answer being put in a post, the wrong link assigned to an entry button or a repost then fine but too many competitions are being shot down within minutes of being postedfor no reason.


How do you know that any given cold vote is a vote for 'no reason'?

Painkiller;6089920
Lets forget all other forums and consider applying changes only to the competition section - which is the area where the original complaint for this topic originates. It wouldn't do any harm to trial a couple of diferent methods over a week & see what happens.


Go through the last few hundred deals in competitions. How many are sub-zero? Virtaully none (there is one 182 deals in at the moment!). Thats pretty daft in itself - most of them are just daily competitions from tv shows, magazines etc - not really a 'deal' in any sense of the word anyway, but I guess some people like them so they are here to stay. That a daily-competition that occurs every weekday etc. is almost guaranteed to make a hot deal post is a bit of a farce, and a far bigger problem than a couple of people cold voting on them.
#18
jah128
How do you know that any given cold vote is a vote for 'no reason'?


Instant cold voting without giving a reason is very likely to be for no good reason.

jah128
Go through the last few hundred deals in competitions. How many are sub-zero? Virtaully none (there is one 182 deals in at the moment!). Thats pretty daft in itself - most of them are just daily competitions from tv shows, magazines etc - not really a 'deal' in any sense of the word anyway, but I guess some people like them so they are here to stay. That a daily-competition that occurs every weekday etc. is almost guaranteed to make a hot deal post is a bit of a farce, and a far bigger problem than a couple of people cold voting on them.


Of course they're not deals, they're competitions - if they were deals they'd be in the Deals section.

What's not to like about a free-to-enter competition with cash, entertainment systems, holidays or cars that don't result in spam emails? Even if the chances of winning are slim you still have more chance of winning than if you don't enter.

I'm sure you've also noticed that very few competitions break the 500 degree barrier whereas the hottest 'Deal' for this week is a few tins of tomatoes @ 1826 degrees :whistling:
That specific brand of tinned tomatoes don't taste very nice imo & doesn't make a great pizza sauce (too tangy), they have been £1 for a 4 pack at morrisons for most of the year and I could source better quality tomatoes from my greenhouse to make a larger quantity of chopped tomatoes at a much lower cost - but I haven't voted the deal cold.

The daily & weekly TV competition posts & magazine posts are appreciated because you can't find the answers anywhere other than similar forums (you'll notice that the itv competition posts on here are much informative than they are on any other forum) so it saves you having to watch a TV show or buying a magazine. They're all free to enter so what's the issue?

Given that you clearly have little interest in competitions what is your purpose in this thread? Pro-Cold Voting, here for the sake of argument or another reason?
[mod]#19
Painkiller;6092988


What's not to like about a free-to-enter competition with cash, entertainment systems, holidays or cars that don't result in spam emails? Even if the chances of winning are slim you still have more chance of winning than if you don't enter.


In the past there have been competitions posted that are purely for phishing contact details etc..........don't know if that's the case with some of the recent ones but would be a genuine reason to cold vote.

I never look in there anymore tbh but it's one possible scenario
#20
Painkiller;6092988
What's not to like about a free-to-enter competition with cash, entertainment systems, holidays or cars that don't result in spam emails? Even if the chances of winning are slim you still have more chance of winning than if you don't enter.


Thats a pretty bold claim to be honest. There are many reasons why a seemingly free-to-enter competition would not be good: complexity to enter, lack of security/clarity about what is done with user details, excessive forced advertising, or (seeing as you make a point of plugging the ITV competitions) fraud.

Painkiller;6092988
I'm sure you've also noticed that very few competitions break the 500 degree barrier whereas the hottest 'Deal' for this week is a few tins of tomatoes @ 1826 degrees :whistling:
That specific brand of tinned tomatoes don't taste very nice imo & doesn't make a great pizza sauce (too tangy), they have been £1 for a 4 pack at morrisons for most of the year and I could source better quality tomatoes from my greenhouse to make a larger quantity of chopped tomatoes at a much lower cost - but I haven't voted the deal cold.


As much as you may find them to tangy for your sensitive tastebuds, 25p a tin for Napolina tomatoes is very cheap, well under half the price of regular 'own-brand' tins and less even the cheapest white-label tins, which definately do not taste as good! You may well be able to grow umpteen tomatoes in you greenhouse. I think mine probably work out a lot more than £1/2kg when the cost of soil, feed, support and seed is factored in - without considering the effort to grow and blanch them.

Painkiller;6092988
The daily & weekly TV competition posts & magazine posts are appreciated because you can't find the answers anywhere other than similar forums (you'll notice that the itv competition posts on here are much informative than they are on any other forum) so it saves you having to watch a TV show or buying a magazine. They're all free to enter so what's the issue?


They undoubtedly are appreciated by some, but just because something is seemingly 'free' from the outside does not make it universally good...

Painkiller;6092988
Given that you clearly have little interest in competitions what is your purpose in this thread? Pro-Cold Voting, here for the sake of argument or another reason?


Pro-cold voting, as I made clear from the outset :thumbsup:
#21
thanks for all the input,good points raised, I put on comp over weekend for some DVDs all links where good but straight away someone ICED it,unless the ADMIN do something sadly these people,for some reason or other will carry on doing it,be it for whatever reason,but in everybodys interest it would be nice to know:thinking:
#22
Anonymity allows users to vote what they think without being intimidated by users who post deals and then get aggressive when people vote cold.

Surely the hot/cold system is for the benefit of other users not the op so the op really has no need to be offended if their deal get voted cold.

I can see how a competition or freebee could be cold if entry requires a lot of time or personal information in exchange for a poor prize.

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