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#1
What are you trying to say?

All good comments or helpful comments come to the first page of a deal?
#2
Meh, guess i didnt explain it well enough, sorry got lazy considering the amount of (good) features i've requested in this forum that never get a reply from the developers.

Basically i'd like something similar to the comment up/down voting on youtube/reddit where you can upvote or downvote individual comments.

the top voted comments would be shown at the top of the thread, comments that had been downvoted enough would be greyed out and minimised (but you could still click to reveal them if you wished)

Edited By: Eldini on Dec 10, 2010 13:48
#3
Eldini
Meh, guess i didnt explain it well enough, sorry got lazy considering the amount of (good) features i've requested in this forum that never get a reply from the developers.Basically i'd like something similar to the comment up/down voting on youtube/reddit where you can upvote or downvote individual comments.the top voted comments would be shown at the top of the thread, comments that had been downvoted enough would be greyed out and minimised (but you could still click to reveal them if you wished)

Nice, but can't see that happening but I maybe wrong.

Though if the comments are good enough they should be added to the OP. :{
#4
Adam2050
Eldini
Meh, guess i didnt explain it well enough, sorry got lazy considering the amount of (good) features i've requested in this forum that never get a reply from the developers.Basically i'd like something similar to the comment up/down voting on youtube/reddit where you can upvote or downvote individual comments.the top voted comments would be shown at the top of the thread, comments that had been downvoted enough would be greyed out and minimised (but you could still click to reveal them if you wished)


Nice, but can't see that happening but I maybe wrong.

Though if the comments are good enough they should be added to the OP. :{


Not everyone can add to the OP (thankfully) and that feature doesnt get used much anyway.

Plus if there's multiple useful comments in a thread, etc.

Just wish it had been implemented when i suggested it at the time they were replacing "rep" with "likes" :/
#5
Sticking these posts on here from other discussions:

Eldini

Syzable
I can live with any of the changes they make but i think by far the worse thing is the sheer number of morons in threads now......it's worse than ever.

If they could fix that it would be ideal.


Agree with the morons being more apparent lately... I requested comment up/down voting a few times hoping it would solve this issue, but **** knows if it'd work.


Here's the only post of mine i can find on this subject, think my previous one must have been removed or spammed by one of the numerous idiots at some point (as some of my other threads have)
http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/individual-comment-up-down-voting-a/823472


Here's another similar post that gets into a deeper discussion of that type of feature:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/improving-the-like-system-to-someth/734856


Edit: I also hate how ninja edits have the "edited by:" text in there now. You used to be able to edit within 2 minutes without getting that message affixed


Eldini
normal
Interesting idea! I think fanpages covers the ups/downs quite well. In principle, the idea of 'most helpful posts' sounds great, and would certainly add value to mega-long threads as you suggested.


Think it would clearly be one of the best features that could possibly be added, hope it eventually does get added.

The risk of disjointed convos could easily be countered i think...

You'd have the normal thread discussion stay exactly the same as it is now, with no posts taken out of order.

The only thing that would change is "helpful/highly upvoted" comments would be duplicated and placed in a special area just below the OP. Each helpful comment could have a link beside it linking to its original place in the thread to see the discussion around it.


There's still then the risk of idiots hijacking comment up/down voting the way they sometimes seem to hijack deal voting and thread commenting though, so yeah...

Could prob fix that by having tough conditions to meet before you have the ability to up/down vote comments.

Maybe tie it in to needing a certain status badge before you can up/down vote comments, and that status could be easily revoked if you're promoting stupid comments like "PHWOARRR, WOULDN'T MIND TAKING THAT LINGERIE OFF" etc.

Maybe a button for mods only that issues a quick infraction to everyone that promoted a frivolous comment to the "helpful comment" stage, 3-5 infractions and your comment voting status is suspended.
Maybe that's overcomplicating it, but i think the basic idea is really worth doing.





Edited By: Eldini on Jan 29, 2011 10:47
#6
they use a similar process on ozbargain in australia,but the comments voted down are invisible.
banned 1 Like #7
wouldnt work - threads would make no sense at all
[admin]#8
I think it's a good feature and where we may end up taking the like button. The option is to use that more along the lines of gizmodo where only people with a high enough status will have comments appear and those people can also promote other users comments.
#9
csiman
wouldnt work - threads would make no sense at all

100% agreed as a default view but if it could be easily toggled it may help alot to get the highlights from a long thread.
#10
To those who are saying it wouldnt make sense: This would be for a limited number of comments that are helpful/informative, and they wouldnt be removed from the ordinary chronological order of the thread.
The "highlighted section" should also be coloured differently to make it clear those comments are separate...
I can't see how it would be confusing if it was implemented properly.

I like the idea of the section being easily collapsible though.


casparwhite: Cheers for that, nice to see how a similar site does it, and how their community handles up/downvoting
(here's a link to an example of how they handle downvoting if anyone wants it http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/38654 )
If it were done here i'd want it to be like youtube/reddit/etc. where you can manually reveal comments that have been hidden due to downvoting.

It's also hard to compare that site directly to here, due to their system of being able to reply to individual comments, rather than our system of comments being a strictly chronological thread.

It also looks like that community "upvotes" thanks messages, which would be pointless and unnecessary to have in a "highlighted comments" section.


I think a browse of ozbargain.com.au adds further weight to the idea that allowing everyone to up/downvote comments wouldnt work, and that members would need a certain status before having that ability.


Admin
I think it's a good feature and where we may end up taking the like button.


That's semi encouraging except for you ignoring the downvoting aspect, which is almost as important as the upvoting i think...
Are you ignoring it just because it's harder to implement fairly, or because you dont want mods to deal with people getting their knickers in a twist after being downvoted?

Admin
The option is to use that more along the lines of gizmodo where only people with a high enough status will have comments appear and those people can also promote other users comments.


I agree the only way it would work is by restricting those who can promote/degrade comments.
I think even a new user can have a very worthwhile comment that's worth promoting though, so i wouldnt restrict that element of it.

It might be a good idea to allow the "status users" to edit promoted comments, so they make more sense in isolation. Or to just trim the fat even. But then it would need to be clear it had been edited... etc.


As for the "high status users" i suppose i don't know whether it'd be best for them to be hand picked, or for it to be linked to some arbitary status, like one of the current badge targets.
Don't make it a target that would end up with people abusing the system to attain that status though... i.e. spam voting, or spam commenting, or spam editing... Which i guess leaves only a poor selection of "badge targets"... :(

Hopefully this does actually end up getting implemented, unlike some other features that have been called good ideas by Admin and never end up appearing...

Edited By: Eldini on Jan 30, 2011 15:04
#11
dcx_badass
I don't think posts should be hidded, just good ones highlighted, you'll get the sad 'misc' crew hiding posts that shouldn't be hidden.


Don't know exactly who you mean by the "sad misc crew" are, seeing as i never look at misc. but i think i get the idea.

I think that's why who has the power to promote/demote comments would need to be limited, possibly with a report button for comments that have been questionably demoted. Seeing as you'd be able to manually reveal downvoted comments...

I dunno, i think a limited number of people with that ability + clear guidelines for their usage + removal of the ability for misusing it should solve these problems i think...

Just irritating to have threads full of so much crap tbh.


Edited By: Eldini on Jan 30, 2011 17:28: .
#12
csiman
wouldnt work - threads would make no sense at all


I agree.

Every time you visit a thread you have to re-read from top to bottom to make sure you have seen all responses to date (or since the date of your last visit).

I have stopped using specific forums that have introduced the "up/down" voting on comments for just this reason. It is incredibly difficult to follow discussions. This is further compounded when replies to the entire thread are added at the end (like is currently the case here at HotUKDeals), but also replies to a single comment are embedded at the point of the present position of the comment being replied to.

When the "up" or "down" voting is applied all the embedded replies move with the original comment & the whole thread becomes disjointed, especially when original comment text is not included in a response.

BFN,

fp.

PS. csiman: Did you received a notification for the "Like" I have just applied to your comment?

Please could you let me know in my active "Feedback" thread? Thanks.
#13
dcx_badass
I don't think posts should be hidded, just good ones highlighted, you'll get the sad 'misc' crew hiding posts that shouldn't be hidden.


Posts are currently highlighted with the "Like this comment" facility. That method is also easy to ignore when reading. Posts that change colour, have a larger font size, rise to the top of a thread, or any other visual amendment because they have been "voted" more prevalent to some individuals may then be unfairly taking precedence & other people's points of view may not be taken into account.

Yes, "da misk" crowd who currently abuse the "Like" system for their own amusement would then raise their clique bedfellows' comments above everybody else's & make that forum even more difficult to hold a reasonable discussion than is currently the case.

BFN,

fp.
#14
I think you're misunderstanding my suggestion FP.
I don't agree with replies to a single comment being inserted in the middle of the discussion and i wasnt suggesting that at all.
I also wasn't suggesting changing the thread's display order from the current chronological to some sort of "most popular" view

In my suggestion the threads would stay exactly the same as they are now, the only thing that would change is one or two helpful posts would be duplicated and placed immediately under the OP's when promoted by the higher status users.
Downvoted comments would just be changed to a "collapsed" status, so you're aware they're still there, and you could click the + button next to the post to reveal it.

Maybe i should knock up something in photoshop to demonstrate how it would work... but i sense it'll be a waste of time based on the track record of implementing stuff around here.


And all that talk of cliques/abuse/etc... That rubbish should be easily dealt with if there was a tiny bit of moderation in this new system, as my quote from the earlier post suggests...

Eldini

I dunno, i think a limited number of people with that ability + clear guidelines for their usage + removal of the ability for misusing it should solve these problems i think...


Edited By: Eldini on Jan 30, 2011 20:05
#15
:)

Sorry if I misunderstood Eldini.

My comments are still valid; but just for a different suggestion!

Reading your last comment, OK... you are looking for some kind of "best of the thread" summary or "sticky" comments (duplicated from those below) to be shown constantly at the top of each thread. The comments are picked by way of a voting system.

Also, you are suggesting that inappropriate comments as voted on by members visiting the thread can be "compressed" from view (like a temporary "Ignore user" facility) but can be "expanded" again if desired.

Is that correct?

BFN,

fp.
#16
Summarising it:
- Firstly, just to make clear, most of the thread would appear exactly the same as it does now, in the same chronological order it's in now. The only thing that would change is one or two comments occassionally promoted for being helpful, and a few comments hidden for being retarded.

- People who can promote/demote comments would be restricted to a limited number. It's debatable how these "statused users" would be chosen, either hand picked by staff which would probably mean there'd only be a small vote threshold. Or there'd be a larger number of users chosen who've met some requirements, meaning there'd be a larger voting threshold.

- Best comments would be duplicated, and stickied/summarised at the top of the thread. Possibly would need minor edits from the "statused users" to read more easily in isolation. However they'd still appear in their normal place in the normal chronological order of the thread...

- Certain comments could also be downvoted by the "statused users" so they'd be automatically minimised, but you'd still have an indication they're there, and you could easily reveal then with a single click. (Just like happens on youtube/reddit/100 other sites)

These wouldnt be inappropriate comments, because those could just be reported for removal like they are now. I'm talking about either misleading or incorrect comments that usually end up thread spoiling, or "loughboro guy"-type comments too.


Man... all this time i've spent explaining and reexplaining this idea i probably should have just knocked up something in photoshop to explain it a lot easier... meh.
If i need to explain it again i'll probably just end up doing that :(

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