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banned#1
Just like ASBO's are


is Gang innit
#2
disagree with you sizeable - i received an infraction (which could have led to a suspension -) which i totally disagreed with - we should have the right to answer back -
[admin]#3
If we're harsher with punishments, we get accused of being too strict..

With regards to FS forum infractions, we work on the tier system (depending on the offence.)
We do lock the thread on which the rule breach occured, however we don't currently lock all of their other threads.

We no longer allow the "I'm back from suspension threads".. so if there are any still out there it's because they've got under the radar.


From my point of view, the system is the only way to achieve the balance of keeping both parties happy- members are being punished when they break the rules, but they are also being given a second chance to get it right.
[mod]#4
holly100;2728656
disagree with you sizeable - i received an infraction (which could have led to a suspension -) which i totally disagreed with - we should have the right to answer back -


But that's partly my point......answer back in private to get it sorted is fine and how it should be done. But it seems to becoming the norm to question it on the forum in public which is wrong as the infraction isn't public knowledge.
[mod] 1 Like #5
juliet_bravo;2728677
If we're harsher with punishments, we get accused of being too strict..

With regards to FS forum infractions, we work on the tier system (depending on the offence.)
We do lock the thread on which the rule breach occured, however we don't currently lock all of their other threads.

We no longer allow the "I'm back from suspension threads".. so if there are any still out there it's because they've got under the radar.


From my point of view, the system is the only way to achieve the balance of keeping both parties happy- members are being punished when they break the rules, but they are also being given a second chance to get it right.


Maybe i'm just harsh. :-D Cheers JB. :)
#6
Syzable
But that's partly my point......answer back in private to get it sorted is fine and how it should be done. But it seems to becoming the norm to question it on the forum in public which is wrong as the infraction isn't public knowledge.



whoa - not the way to do it - same again - i made a simple comment on a post - nothing derogatory - just a simple comment - op took off and sent me a really horrible pm - which i reported

as jb has said they are monitoring all the time and have to keep a lot of people happy a lot of the time

i dont envy her/him
banned#7
holly100;2728762
whoa - not the way to do it - same again - i made a simple comment on a post - nothing derogatory - just a simple comment - op took off and sent me a really horrible pm - which i reported

as jb has said they are monitoring all the time and have to keep a lot of people happy a lot of the time

i dont envy her/him

JB's a her....a very lovely and beautiful Her so I have been led to believe ;-)
[mod]#8
holly100;2728762
whoa - not the way to do it - same again - i made a simple comment on a post - nothing derogatory - just a simple comment - op took off and sent me a really horrible pm - which i reported

as jb has said they are monitoring all the time and have to keep a lot of people happy a lot of the time

i dont envy her/him


Which is not the way to do it? In private like i think or in public on the forums?

I'm not here to judge who got infractions for what.....my complaint was how some people think it's the in thing to do. :)
banned#9
Personally I think it should be done in private...HOWEVER...once infraction received then you can't PM.....and CONTACT US doesnt always get a reply (Prob about 4 times in my experience).....


Would be better if you were only allowed to PM Mods or something
2 Likes #10
There seems to be no respect for them at all.........in Misc, infractions and suspensions have become the all new badge of honour where the more they have then the greater the kudos is in their minds.

There are "look at me.....i'm back. Aren't i a hero for being suspended threads' and people compaining and judging all the decisions made.


Totally agree with you there Sy. (Can't comment on the FS/FT as I rarely venture in there nowadays.)

One of the biggest "problems" I've seen is the continual baiting of members in the misc. forum. There's a few people on misc. who seem to delight in starting threads which they are well aware will cause problems amongst members.

It's a difficult thing to moderate I would think as there becomes a fine line between allowing "freedom of speech" and "freedom to incite". I'm all for open debate but in reality this very rarely happens and controversial subjects just end up in name calling, abuse and the thread locked.

Seems to me members need to learn a couple of things, self control in not being drawn into those subjects where they cannot control their feelings and how to use the "ignore" function,
The members that post these baiting threads have no respect for anything other than satisfying their own attention seeking needs and will soon stop posting if nobody responds.

Difficult I know as most of us at some stage or other have responded to these "trolls" but it is the only way to get rid of them and not get oneself into trouble.

Just my opinion.
#11
hottoshop
Totally agree with you there Sy. (Can't comment on the FS/FT as I rarely venture in there nowadays.)

One of the biggest "problems" I've seen is the continual baiting of members in the misc. forum. There's a few people on misc. who seem to delight in starting threads which they are well aware will cause problems amongst members.

It's a difficult thing to moderate I would think as there becomes a fine line between allowing "freedom of speech" and "freedom to incite". I'm all for open debate but in reality this very rarely happens and controversial subjects just end up in name calling, abuse and the thread locked.

Seems to me members need to learn a couple of things, self control in not being drawn into those subjects where they cannot control their feelings and how to use the "ignore" function,
The members that post these baiting threads have no respect for anything other than satisfying their own attention seeking needs and will soon stop posting if nobody responds.

Difficult I know as most of us at some stage or other have responded to these "trolls" but it is the only way to get rid of them and not get oneself into trouble.

Just my opinion.


Very eloquently put hotto and i totally agree with you:thumbsup:
#12
hottoshop
Totally agree with you there Sy. (Can't comment on the FS/FT as I rarely venture in there nowadays.)

One of the biggest "problems" I've seen is the continual baiting of members in the misc. forum. There's a few people on misc. who seem to delight in starting threads which they are well aware will cause problems amongst members.

It's a difficult thing to moderate I would think as there becomes a fine line between allowing "freedom of speech" and "freedom to incite". I'm all for open debate but in reality this very rarely happens and controversial subjects just end up in name calling, abuse and the thread locked.

Seems to me members need to learn a couple of things, self control in not being drawn into those subjects where they cannot control their feelings and how to use the "ignore" function,
The members that post these baiting threads have no respect for anything other than satisfying their own attention seeking needs and will soon stop posting if nobody responds.

Difficult I know as most of us at some stage or other have responded to these "trolls" but it is the only way to get rid of them and not get oneself into trouble.

Just my opinion.


you have my vote.
jen xx
#13
hottoshop
Totally agree with you there Sy. (Can't comment on the FS/FT as I rarely venture in there nowadays.)

One of the biggest "problems" I've seen is the continual baiting of members in the misc. forum. There's a few people on misc. who seem to delight in starting threads which they are well aware will cause problems amongst members.

It's a difficult thing to moderate I would think as there becomes a fine line between allowing "freedom of speech" and "freedom to incite". I'm all for open debate but in reality this very rarely happens and controversial subjects just end up in name calling, abuse and the thread locked.

Seems to me members need to learn a couple of things, self control in not being drawn into those subjects where they cannot control their feelings and how to use the "ignore" function,
The members that post these baiting threads have no respect for anything other than satisfying their own attention seeking needs and will soon stop posting if nobody responds.

Difficult I know as most of us at some stage or other have responded to these "trolls" but it is the only way to get rid of them and not get oneself into trouble.

Just my opinion.

Wow - great post Hotto and I'm sure many others will agree with you (as I do)...

As for Sy's point about suspensions/infractions - I think infractions are less serious however suspensions I understand are for more serious, consistant breaches so should perhaps be taken more seriously. Unfortunately if they deal out longer suspensions people will just re-register under a new user name...

Maybe if you get suspended you should lose all your rep.....
banned#14
Hotto for MOD!!!
banned#15
great post tony, like alot of others im sick of the place, members continually starting threads with one intention and nothing ever gets said, yet i get an infraction for stating the obvious
#16
i know who you mean hun. so frustrating.
#17
hottoshop;2728810
Totally agree with you there Sy. (Can't comment on the FS/FT as I rarely venture in there nowadays.)

One of the biggest "problems" I've seen is the continual baiting of members in the misc. forum. There's a few people on misc. who seem to delight in starting threads which they are well aware will cause problems amongst members.

It's a difficult thing to moderate I would think as there becomes a fine line between allowing "freedom of speech" and "freedom to incite". I'm all for open debate but in reality this very rarely happens and controversial subjects just end up in name calling, abuse and the thread locked.

Seems to me members need to learn a couple of things, self control in not being drawn into those subjects where they cannot control their feelings and how to use the "ignore" function,
The members that post these baiting threads have no respect for anything other than satisfying their own attention seeking needs and will soon stop posting if nobody responds.

Difficult I know as most of us at some stage or other have responded to these "trolls" but it is the only way to get rid of them and not get oneself into trouble.

Just my opinion.



Good post Tony :thumbsup:
[admin]#18
sassie
great post tony, like alot of others im sick of the place, members continually starting threads with one intention and nothing ever gets said, yet i get an infraction for stating the obvious


We don't publish what action we're taking against members.
Just because you can't see anything, doesn't mean users aren't being dealt with.
#19
juliet_bravo;2730682
We don't publish what action we're taking against members.

Umm... Lie.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/227410/wireless-wii-sensor-bar-8-instore-a/showpost.php?p=2732003&postcount=10

Was another example on one of my posts but i was removed.
banned#20
gary_rip


yes why publish the punishemnt given only on the fs boards, im sure thats gonna be its in the best interest of other members speal

And not only that,, when an infraction is given for such a bad post, why is that said post still left up, if it deserves an infraction then surely it deserves removal
[mod]#21
sassie;2732600
yes why publish the punishemnt given only on the fs boards, im sure thats gonna be its in the best interest of other members speal

And not only that,, when an infraction is given for such a bad post, why is that said post still left up, if it deserves an infraction then surely it deserves removal


I agree with showing the punishment in FS as when they come back from the suspension then people would have no idea otherwise and things like rule breaking could have a bearing on whether you're willing to trade. :)

I also agree with not publishing it elsewhere as many people say things in the heat of the moment and then regret it........if the punishment is always left up there for all to see then that could restart the argument and also permantly make that person look bad for what may have been a one off for any number of reasons.

I also agree with you Sass that the posts should be removed as they've obviously caused offence or broken the rules to get an infraction in the first place.

I don't consider myself an ass kisser on here but they are just my thoughts and for once i agree completely with them. lol
[mod]#22
gary_rip;2732213


Only thing i can think of here is the fact that different mods have different levels of seniority.........especially in Ray's case as he's number 2.
#23
There are "look at me.....i'm back. Aren't i a hero for being suspended threads' and people compaining and judging all the decisions made.


not been one of those threads for a while, your just trying to make a big deal over something that barely even exists
#24
ODB_69
Hotto for MOD!!!


To be honest ODB it's one thing I WOULDN'T want to do !!

It's a thankless task really made even more difficult by the success of the site. When I first came on HUKD the Mod's interacted much more with the members and it was a pretty friendly place give or take the odd spat.

As the site has grown and more and more people appear to use the forums the Mod's have had to pull back for obvious reasons. Personally I think they do an excellent job in the main. We would all do well to remember that these are real people with real feelings and should be respected for that and the job they do, warts and all.

I actually don't see a lot of that respect. I think the main problem is the rather juvenile assumption that if you agree and respect a person in any sort of authority you are seen as "brown nosing" or whatever label is put on it nowadays.

Personally I think it would be a good idea if a few of the long serving people on here were maybe made "Senior Members" with no real authority other than to help out on forums by diffusing or reporting situations on a fast track basis.
I think maybe that has been suggested before and if so apologies and credit to the member who suggested.

It should also be remembered that the bottom line is we are all guests on HUKD and yes I know there's a trade off to placing deals and stuff like that but the site would survive without us.
I know when I enter someone else's space I do my utmost to respect and abide by their rules, if I don't like those rules I don't go back, simple as that.

The HUKD community as a whole seems to me to be a pretty good place to be, I know I've "met" some extremely friendly and helpful people here and also had a lot of fun and gained a lot from the deals.

I'm not going to let a few sad people spoil that for me, why should you ?
[mod]#25
bigbob909;2734294
not been one of those threads for a while, your just trying to make a big deal over something that barely even exists


That was just one point out of the whole post. It still also exists within threads about other topics as they sway back and forth.
#26
bigbob909
not been one of those threads for a while, your just trying to make a big deal over something that barely even exists


Perhaps this is rather sensibly why...

juliet_bravo
We no longer allow the "I'm back from suspension threads".. so if there are any still out there it's because they've got under the radar.

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