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#1
I agree, If you dont like the debate, dont join in, simple as, or report it if you think it is breaking any of the rules.

If there was harsher actions for spamming threads, this would not happen at all

banned#2
Misc is just gonna become a series of impotent statements with people agreeing with one another.
#3
I think the problem is that some people dont play nice-threads about religion/drugs seem to descend fairly quickly into playground rants.

not everyone actually joins in a debate in an adult manner.
#4
its actually getting pretty tiresome seeing threads disappearing just because someone or some people will see an avi and automatically spam or report without taking the time to actually read what has been written.

the constant cry of "troll" at someone just because they don't agree with a line of debate even though their argument is well thought out and expressed or they don't flirt with the bored housewives is getting tedious.
#5
ants97;5920179
the constant cry of "troll" at someone just because they don't agree with a line of debate even though their argument is well thought out and expressed or they don't flirt with the bored housewives is getting tedious.


That is something I've long agreed with and I really think its about time it was stamped down on. Surely to call anybody a 'troll' is to 'troll' in itself and thus is a punishable offence - if you think someone is trolling the thing to do is report the thread, not call them a troll in the thread or spam the thread. I think anyone who incorrectly spams or incites spamming by claiming they have spammed or calls anyone should recieve a warning or infraction...
banned#6
Agree with this, I fail to see how any thread in misc should be spammed as per the rules, unless its advertising or a duplicate thread. There's a report button there for reporting threads that are abusive or whatever, then a mod can come along and remove or close threads. People are supposed to get warnings/suspended or banned for using the spam button when it shouldn't be, I wonder if that ever actually happens. Although I suppose when mods openly admit to spamming threads when they aren't actually spam, then nothing will ever be done.

The other annoying thing is when someone starts a thread asking for advice, then (usually when they have been caught out in a lie) ask the mods to remove the thread. They should be closed not removed. An example was the thread about a faulty tv someone on here (ryounga or something like that) had sold to someone on av forums. He was caught out in allsorts of lies, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted to deal with him after everything that went on. But searching for that thead will bring nothing up as it was removed. And people wonder why so many trades go wrong in the FS section.
#7
colinsunderland;5920325


The other annoying thing is when someone starts a thread asking for advice, then (usually when they have been caught out in a lie) ask the mods to remove the thread. They should be closed not removed. An example was the thread about a faulty tv someone on here (ryounga or something like that) had sold to someone on av forums. He was caught out in allsorts of lies, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted to deal with him after everything that went on. But searching for that thead will bring nothing up as it was removed. And people wonder why so many trades go wrong in the FS section.


Some mods do lock them rather than removing them

Example

That should be done in all those situations in my opinion. Another example was a member that posted a picture of her new tattoo which turned out just to be a random tattoo from google. That thread wasn't done as a joke she was trying to get people to believe her. To me that member is now untrustworthy and I would not deal with her on the fs ft section but anyone who didn't see that thread will not know as it was spammed.
banned#8
Exactly my point, using that thread as an example, maybe a mod can explain how it was

The spam button

You can click the spam button on any post you feel is actual spam, referrals, 3rd party affiliate links, eBay auctions, Amazon marketplace deals, a dodgy site, or a duplicate post. If you feel it is any of these, it would be great if you could also use the report button (see below) to immediately notify a moderator.


one of those in bold, and if it wasn't one of them, firstly why wasn't the thread returned and secondly if the members who spammed it got warnings.

It's like all the BG and JFK threads that get spammed. OK a lot are threads created to provoke a reaction, but why do the mods allow people to spam them all within minutes of them being posted. If they aren't spam as described above, then they shouldn't be spammed surely? The fact that a lot are returned after being spammed shows that they are incorrectly spammed, but you never hear of people getting warnings for it.
#9
Equally Colin, why are the aforementioned 2 members allowed to expire their own threads so that folks do not or not able to spam them?
Suspend, ban folks even if they are breakiing the rules by spamming but is defensive expiring allowed? I dunno the answer

Misc as has been said is a bit of a free for all but there are other sub-sections on here, deal requests being my bug bear. Why do folks post deal requests in there? Lazy and a bigger audience, i spam and report them cos folks should know better.

As a final aside to all this, remember one of the forum rules says summat like, be nice to each other :)
#10
alot of good points itt
#11
dry yer eyes babe
#12
Sorry OP for carrying on the off-topic chatter.

boydent999
Equally Colin, why are the aforementioned 2 members allowed to expire their own threads so that folks do not or not able to spam them?
Suspend, ban folks even if they are breakiing the rules by spamming but is defensive expiring allowed? I dunno the answer


I see this thrown around a lot, is it fact, or another unsubstantiated rumour that goes around "The Misc"?

If it is indeed true, then I guess the mods prefer it to continually unspamming the aforementioned threads.
banned#13
thesaint
Sorry OP for carrying on the off-topic chatter.


What off topic chatter? Have some posts been removed?
#14
Have one thread, where BG1, thesaint and JFK can chat as much as they like, so a new thread isnt started everytime. That way they will be left alone and get to keep their thread, all to em selves..
#15
DudeyGeeza
Have one thread, where BG1, thesaint and JFK can chat as much as they like, so a new thread isnt started everytime. That way they will be left alone and get to keep their thread, all to em selves..


why us? I dont get it?:?
#16
black gerbil1
why us? I dont get it?:?


Then you are the only one that doesnt..
#17
black gerbil1
why us? I dont get it?:?


[COLOR="Blue"]because your famous and there jealous, if you really where the "losers" people call you then you woldnt be getting all this attention.[/COLOR]
#18
The most annoying thing is that anything that is not 100% inoffensive is removed whilst the users who go around winding people up posting technically PC statements and misquoting others are left to carry on.
#19
colinsunderland
What off topic chatter? Have some posts been removed?


The original post is something different to what the thread has now become.
banned#20
thesaint
The original post is something different to what the thread has now become.


It wasn't at the time you posted, just about every post had relevence to posts being spammed incorrectly or deleted for no reason

Of course, as usual with any topic like this, no mod will reply with any answers whatsoever despite the fact plenty will have been online since this thread was created.
[admin]#21
colinsunderland
It wasn't at the time you posted, just about every post had relevence to posts being spammed incorrectly or deleted for no reason

Of course, as usual with any topic like this, no mod will reply with any answers whatsoever despite the fact plenty will have been online since this thread was created.



There's not much to say really.


It's often the same members posting the same kind of threads, it's the same members who respond and get involved in the thread, and it's the same members who spam the thread... it's an ongoing cycle. If you genuinely think a thread has been wrongly spammed, either by members or the mod team, report it and we'll look into reinstating it.



Take a couple of minutes to write a reply with some thought and some meaning in it, and all that happens is that someone has the thread deleted moments later. What's the point? Is the entire mod objective to remove all sorts of discussion from the forum and reduce the entire Misc section down to wordgames, chat threads, and help threads?


Generally speaking, misc threads are spammed by misc regulars, not mods. Again, if you want us to look into whether or not a thread was correctly spammed then use the report function.
banned#22
juliet_bravo

There's not much to say really.


It's often the same members posting the same kind of threads, it's the same members who respond and get involved in the thread, and it's the same members who spam the thread... it's an ongoing cycle. If you genuinely think a thread has been wrongly spammed, either by members or the mod team, report it and we'll look into reinstating it.

So what are the guidelines/rules for spamming threads if they are different to the ones I quoted earlier? Are you seriously saying that most threads from misc that get spammed falls into those categories?
If not then why aren't they reinstated automatically and why don't the people who have spammed them incorrectly get warnings/suspensions etc?


Generally speaking, misc threads are spammed by misc regulars, not mods. Again, if you want us to look into whether or not a thread was correctly spammed then use the report function.


Why would a mod even need to spam a thread? Surely you have the option to soft delete/move to a private forum for review/hard delete/close a thread?

What about the threads mentioned earlier, when someone is found to be dishonest, why do you remove the thread at their request rather than leave it for others to see and have a chance of not getting scammed?
[admin]#23
colinsunderland
So what are the guidelines/rules for spamming threads if they are different to the ones I quoted earlier? Are you seriously saying that most threads from misc that get spammed falls into those categories?
If not then why aren't they reinstated automatically and why don't the people who have spammed them incorrectly get warnings/suspensions etc?


Members who frequently spam or expire threads without reason, or because they feel like it do receive warnings, infractions, and can have their vote blocked. We don't make infractions issued public though obviously. You have the guidelines above, again if you feel a thread has been incorrectly spammed then use the report function.



Why would a mod even need to spam a thread? Surely you have the option to soft delete/move to a private forum for review/hard delete/close a thread?

What about the threads mentioned earlier, when someone is found to be dishonest, why do you remove the thread at their request rather than leave it for others to see and have a chance of not getting scammed?


If a thread turns into an all out witch hunt / torch burning / pitch fork waving session with members arguing, bickering or generally being unpleasant then of course, it makes sense to remove that from the forum. We won't tolerate forum drama, if everyone behaves nicely and keeps discussion mature and to the point then this issue rarely arises.

Of course, everyone is entitled to have a laugh and have their opinion on issues, we do have a code of conduct in place though and we expect members to adhere to it. If members breach the code of conduct repeatedly then, again, the thread will be removed.

It's up to you guys, stick to the rules, use the report function to point out if a thread vanishes and you think it should be reinstated and we'll do what we can to help you :)
#24
juliet_bravo;5925779

Members who frequently spam or expire threads without reason, or because they feel like it do receive warnings, infractions, and can have their vote blocked. We don't make infractions issued public though obviously. You have the guidelines above, again if you feel a thread has been incorrectly spammed then use the report function.


How do you know (and the spam-buttoners themselves know) if they 'frequently' spam or expire threads without reason, if you don't give a warning each and every time it occurs? Maybe stamping down by issueing a warning each and every time, followed by infractions for multiple-occurences, would reduce the frequency of threads being unfairly closed
#25
the spammers, button twitchers, no brainers or what ever you like to call them , perhaps should have an icon put by thier name if they continually use the spam button or they should state why they have spammed the thread before they are allowed to hit the submit button.

or give them some mittens with the string on !
banned#26
juliet_bravo

Members who frequently spam or expire threads without reason, or because they feel like it do receive warnings, infractions, and can have their vote blocked. We don't make infractions issued public though obviously. You have the guidelines above, again if you feel a thread has been incorrectly spammed then use the report function.


ok, the thread mentioned here being spammed by a mod, which one of the reasons to spam a thread did it fall under and if it doesn't did he get an infraction for spamming incorrectly?
Please don't say it needed removing because it got out of hand as he specifically mentions spamming the thread rather than deleting it.

What about all the BG1 threads that get spammed? I'll bet theres less than 10 people regulary spam them for no reason. If thats the case then infractions either mean nothing or people don't get them for doing it as you never see the people get suspended.
#27
juliet_bravo;5925779

Members who frequently spam or expire threads without reason, or because they feel like it do receive warnings, infractions, and can have their vote blocked. We don't make infractions issued public though obviously. You have the guidelines above, again if you feel a thread has been incorrectly spammed then use the report function.
Hi, so can you please answer my original point, the one where the saint has accused me of:
thesaint;5921391
I see this thrown around a lot, is it fact, or another unsubstantiated rumour that goes around "The Misc"?
If it is indeed true, then I guess the mods prefer it to continually unspamming the aforementioned threads.

Do folks who expire their own threads get the same infractions etc?
I ask since you mentioned about infractions and vote blocking. To be fair, this is hardly a recent thing is it?
#28
boydent999
Hi, so can you please answer my original point, the one where the saint has accused me of:


Let's make it clear. I have not accused you of anything. You have named two members, and said that they expire their own threads.

All I asked if this was a known fact to you.
#29
thesaint;5927825
Let's make it clear. I have not accused you of anything. You have named two members, and said that they expire their own threads.

All I asked if this was a known fact to you.
You have, accused me of passing on, unsubstantiated rumours.
We can ALL click the expire button. Whether or not that expires a thread, i am not sure, tis not summat i go around doing. Maybe you could tell me?
#30
boydent999
You have, accused me of passing on, unsubstantiated rumours.


Well if it's a fact, what's your source?
You seem to state it as fact, then ask for confirmation after?

boydent999

We can ALL click the expire button. Whether or not that expires a thread, i am not sure, tis not summat i go around doing. Maybe you could tell me?


http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215000
#31
thesaint;5927951
Well if it's a fact, what's your source?
You seem to state it as fact, then ask for confirmation after?
As you well know, i'm not a mod, so cannot prove conclusively, merely based on conjecture, and as Guv has pointed out, posts by folks on here point to self-expiration.
Again, like i say, perhaps a Mod could speak up.....
Lol, opened the link, saw it was a "Saint's Guide to Hot UK Deals" and quickly closed it. Been here long enough and know enough to get me by with a clean slate and no infractions to realise i don't need a guide thanks :)
[admin]#32
Guys can we stop the bickering please....

Ok boydent999- if a members asks to have their thread closed or removed then we generally comply.
If there's a security issue with the info within the thread, then we make a note of it.


jah128
How do you know (and the spam-buttoners themselves know) if they 'frequently' spam or expire threads without reason, if you don't give a warning each and every time it occurs? Maybe stamping down by issueing a warning each and every time, followed by infractions for multiple-occurences, would reduce the frequency of threads being unfairly closed


[B]We can monitor voting patterns, which includes spam/expire clicks. There are several "regular" members who have no vote power whatsoever, some who have had theirs reinstated after having it removed for a month.. again it's not something we can name and shame for but we do what we can :)


colinsunderland
ok, the thread mentioned here being spammed by a mod, which one of the reasons to spam a thread did it fall under and if it doesn't did he get an infraction for spamming incorrectly?
Please don't say it needed removing because it got out of hand as he specifically mentions spamming the thread rather than deleting it.

What about all the BG1 threads that get spammed? I'll bet theres less than 10 people regulary spam them for no reason. If thats the case then infractions either mean nothing or people don't get them for doing it as you never see the people get suspended.


[/B]

The thread above was yet another which started as a discussion but descended into a mudslinging match from about the fifth post.. once again, you're all entitled to discuss sensitive topics but you don't need to make the discussion personal, if everyone respects one another's beliefs and puts across and informed opinion then there really isn't an issue. We're not asking members to sit on the fence regarding taboo topics, but surely everyone is capable of mature discussion without off topic / derogatory comments?
#33
juliet_bravo;5931314
[B]We can monitor voting patterns, which includes spam/expire clicks. There are several "regular" members who have no vote power whatsoever, some who have had theirs reinstated after having it removed for a month.. again it's not something we can name and shame for but we do what we can :)[/B]


I'm not that convinced removal of voting power is either that effective a deterrent, or one which really 'fits the crime'. I think in the case of people who persistently expire or spam a thread out of malice/dislike of the OP, infractions and suspensions are probably far more effective, both as a deterrent to the spamee and others who will observe action being taken. As long as you keep a channel of communication open so people can explain why they thought a spam/expire was the right thing to do...
#34
juliet_bravo;5931314
Guys can we stop the bickering please....
No offence but that has made me laff. I read some, no where near all of what is on here, and this thread, we're singled out for bickering?
juliet_bravo;5931314
Ok boydent999- if a members asks to have their thread closed or removed then we generally comply.
If there's a security issue with the info within the thread, then we make a note of it.
You haven't answered my question. Why are folks expiring their threads (for the purposes of The Saint here) as is the RUMOUR so that they cannot be spammed? If the rumour is false, please, could a mod, or admin come out and say one way or the other. As daft as that sounds, you'd not be naming and shaming, and yet, you'd be helping to reduce some of the "bickering" :)
2 Likes #35
@ - boydent999 -

Mods are like politicians dude, million words in their answers but not ever actually answering the question that was asked.
#36
DudeyGeeza
@ - boydent999 -

Mods are like politicians dude, million words in their answers but not ever actually answering the question that was asked.


:thumbsup:
#37
DudeyGeeza
@ - boydent999 -

Mods are like politicians dude, million words in their answers but not ever actually answering the question that was asked.


well said fella :thumbsup:
#38
DudeyGeeza;5932282
@ - boydent999 -

Mods are like politicians dude, million words in their answers but not ever actually answering the question that was asked.
Dudey, i don't wanna get involved in that, more of a keyboard coward than a warrior lol :)
They do a tough job, and they're never gonna please anyone.
I will add to what you have said mind. they could help themselves a bit more in helping us. Seems too much cloak and dagger. Not sure if this is a power trip lol or just better to keep the plebs away from the politics.
[admin]#39
boydent999
No offence but that has made me laff. I read some, no where near all of what is on here, and this thread, we're singled out for bickering?You haven't answered my question. Why are folks expiring their threads (for the purposes of The Saint here) as is the RUMOUR so that they cannot be spammed? If the rumour is false, please, could a mod, or admin come out and say one way or the other. As daft as that sounds, you'd not be naming and shaming, and yet, you'd be helping to reduce some of the "bickering" :)


Not singling this thread out over others because of the bickering, it's just that I was posting in this thread while the bickering was taking place....

Sorry, I'd misunderstood your initial comment :) How are we to know whether a rumour is true or not?
Technically.. yeah- an expired thread has to be unexpired before it can be spammed.
If a member expires or spams their own thread, that's their prerogative.

#40
juliet_bravo;5933310

Not singling this thread out over others because of the bickering, it's just that I was posting in this thread while the bickering was taking place....
No worries, fair enough
juliet_bravo;5933310
Sorry, I'd misunderstood your initial comment :) How are we to know whether a rumour is true or not?
Well, ok, as i understand it, if a thread is expired, a username or usernames are attached to the expiring. They press the button, you have a log of who has expired, or spammed for that matter.....based on that, you can prove, once and for all if the rumour is true or not by telling us, if folks are expiring, spamming their own threads. Whilst i understand an OP has the right to do so, it's no good then running to feedback, or reporting to you guys to have it re-instated, like i say, if indeed that is the case
juliet_bravo;5933310
Technically.. yeah- an expired thread has to be unexpired before it can be spammed.
If a member expires or spams their own thread, that's their prerogative.
Can't argue with that at all, as much as i'd love to, aside from my comment at the end of the above paragraph :)

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