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banned#1
games and dvd's with "not for resale" have usually been given free or discounted price as part of a package
#2
The ps3 games i have are regular ps3 games and they have printed in small writing resale is prohibited without permission of scee . This is clearly on the game disk


Edited By: trinaandlee on Dec 11, 2011 20:11
2 Likes #3
Subbed. Can't see this ending well......
#4
I agree with this. A "not for resale" game is always the full version of the game so could sell for the same as a normal copy would.. although I foresee them going for slightly less, if the change were to be made to the rules.
#5
whats brought this on?
#6
boothy
whats brought this on?


this thread here

Edited By: richp on Dec 11, 2011 20:27
#7
Can anybody think of another interpretation of "Not for Resale" other than it should not be resold and this was a condition of the original purchase?
banned#8
I don't see which rule it breaks anyway
#9
But other things have this on such as ps3 games which are happily sold everyday.

Just what is the difference ?
#10
spammed,one thread is enough
#11
trinaandlee
But other things have this on such as ps3 games which are happily sold everyday.

Just what is the difference ?


If thats the case how do Game and other places who sell pre-owned games get round buying prohibited items?
4 Likes #12
boothy
spammed,one thread is enough


Boothy the other was in misc.. not feedback.. dont go jobsworthing.
#13
winifer


If thats the case how do Game and other places who sell pre-owned games get round buying prohibited items?


Because there are no legal stipulations.
banned#14
boothy
spammed,one thread is enough


ASB said to open this thread
#16
richp
boothy
whats brought this on?


this thread here

Interesting thread. Total clown shoes.
banned 3 Likes #17
Shengis
Interesting thread. Total clown shoes.
Sums it up well.

[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/kf5wtw.jpg[/img]
banned 1 Like #18
I say close the FS/FT thread in ASB's honour, he won't be happy till it is.
#19
I have just had a look at 3 PS3 games(Black Ops, FIFA 11 & Killzone 3) and they all say:
"RESALE AND RENTAL ARE PROHIBITED UNLESS EXPRESSLY AUTHORISED BY SCEE".

I think ASB needs to have a rethink of this latest interpretation of HUKD's rules and guidelines.

Edited to add: I just took a look at all my PS3 games, and they all say that on the back cover.

Edited By: thesaint on Dec 12, 2011 08:19
#20
thesaint
I have just had a look at 3 PS3 games(Black Ops, FIFA 11 & Killzone 3) and they all say:
"RESALE AND RENTAL ARE PROHIBITED UNLESS EXPRESSLY AUTHORISED BY SCEE".

I think ASB needs to have a rethink of this latest interpretation of HUKD's rules and guidelines.

Edited to add: I just took a look at all my PS3 games, and they all say that on the back cover.


PS3 games are ok because it only says not for resale in really small writing... apparently!!
#21
what about used blu rays bought from blockbuster? they have a big "Rental only" on the cover, but they clearly sell them like this to customers, could i not then re-sell them now?

Edited By: athunder on Dec 12, 2011 10:08
#22
dunfyboy
Shengis
Interesting thread. Total clown shoes.

Sums it up well.

http://i40.tinypic.com/kf5wtw.jpg

I actually tried clicking that for some reason X):{
#23
Seems strange how ex rental dvd's etc. can be sold on here when it clearly states this warning

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7132/1001796j.jpg



Edited By: trinaandlee on Dec 12, 2011 16:20
#24
trinaandlee
Seems strange how ex rental dvd's etc. can be sold on here when it clearly states this warning

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7132/1001796j.jpg




It is because there is no LEGAL reason they cannot be resold.
#25
Jetpac
trinaandlee
Seems strange how ex rental dvd's etc. can be sold on here when it clearly states this warning

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7132/1001796j.jpg




It is because there is no LEGAL reason they cannot be resold.

Well you're obviously wrong there or they wouldn't be on the 'prohibited' list........
#26
Shengis

Well you're obviously wrong there or they wouldn't be on the 'prohibited' list........


... no i'm not wrong... and that is the whole point behind proposing a rule change.
#27
Jetpac
Shengis

Well you're obviously wrong there or they wouldn't be on the 'prohibited' list........


... no i'm not wrong... and that is the whole point behind proposing a rule change.

ASB says you're wrong.... G A M E O V E R !

(_;)
#28
No comment from the HUKD staff?
banned#29
thesaint
No comment from the HUKD staff?


Not yet. It's a member discussion requesting a rule change. It might sound a bit presumptuous if we engage too early.

There's no change either (or proposed) with regards to the cds/dvds and games.
banned 1 Like #30
aScottishBloke
thesaint
No comment from the HUKD staff?


Not yet. It's a member discussion requesting a rule change. It might sound a bit presumptuous if we engage too early.

There's no change either (or proposed) with regards to the cds/dvds and games.


It wouldn't be a change though, you have stated items with 'not for resale' printed on the box aren't allowed to be sold, so therefore any game/cd/dvd with this on isn't allowed to be sold. If all ps3 games have it printed on the box then it follows the sale of those isn't allowed. Feel free to correct which part of that I didn't understand correctly.
banned#31
Those are standard retail games/cds/dvds - There's no trading restriction applicable on those items.
#32
Can you please define exactly what is the differece between any item stating NOT FOR RESALE and why some are clearly allowed to be sold on here whilst others are not. What is the difference on the wording as surely not for resale must mean not for resale on anything ?

All PS3 games state this ? EX rental dvds and blu-rays state this clearly on the printed outside cover ?

One rule NOT FOR RESALE either ban these for breaking the not for resale rule or allow common sense on what is for resale and if an item is equivalent to a retail item but is in non retail packaging then surely it could be sold ?

aScottishBloke
Those are standard retail games/cds/dvds - There's no trading restriction applicable on those items.

But ex rental are not standard dvd's\blu-rays

Edited By: trinaandlee on Dec 13, 2011 15:17: info
1 Like #33
Inconsistent. The GHD's that started all this were standard retail but in a different box, nothing more nothing less.
#34
This is why i have proposed the rule change in the OP... the wording may need some tweaking but the gist is there. It still keeps things without an RRP prohibited whilst letting the items that you should be able to sell without an issue in the ok list..

I still have no idea why if you get things as part of a bundle you are not allowed to sell them if they are a retail or identical to retail.

TBH the rules need a total revamp and loosening in a lot of ways, whilst tightening some others. If you look at the model on pretty much any other forum it works in a very logical way... but here the rules seem to be as obstructive as possible on a site that is supposed to be helpful... but thats another discussion

Edited By: Jetpac on Dec 13, 2011 18:17
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aScottishBloke
Those are standard retail games/cds/dvds - There's no trading restriction applicable on those items.


The GHDs were standard retail, but in a different box.. In EXACTLY the same way as buying a pair of GHDs second hand without the box would be.

ASB it is an inconsistent ruling.. why can you not just accept that this was an error and notch it up to experience instead of stubbornly carrying on?

It is obviously an area of the rules that is inconsistent and needs addressing, It is not about you, it is not even really about GHDs any more. It is about the scope and clarity of the current set of rules that make issues out of items that there should be no issues with.
#36
aScottishBloke
Those are standard retail games/cds/dvds - There's no trading restriction applicable on those items.

Ex rental movies have non retail artwork , Some also have future film adverisments before the films start , these are not present on retail movie discs .So no they are not retail


Quote from my GHD thread

aScottishBloke
Items marked as not for resale cannot be listed within the trading forums.

EX rental movies state this clearly on the box artwork , All PS3 games clearly state this on the disc . Seems like the statement you made is not being adhered to doesn't it ?



Edited By: trinaandlee on Dec 13, 2011 21:43
banned 3 Likes #37
aScottishBloke
Those are standard retail games/cds/dvds - There's no trading restriction applicable on those items.


thats not what you said in the other thread, you specifically stated if something had not for resale on the box it wasn't allowed to be sold.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/warranty-replacement-white-box-goods-allowed-sold-here-1087667#post-comment

Goods not permitted for resale will be pulled.


If we have items marked as not for resale, they are pulled. We're consistent on that matter. We've pulled games/cds/dvds in the past for such a breach.


Edited By: colinsunderland on Dec 13, 2011 23:51: x
1 Like #38
Folks we are moving away from the point at hand which is a proposed changed to the wording of the prohibited items:

*Items without an rrp, e.g. games marked as promo only or split bundles where no price comparison is valid.

This should be changed to:

*Items without an RRP or equivalent RRP, e.g a promotional items from a company not available for purchase. Items marked promotional or not for resale are permitted as long as they are identical to the retail counterpart with exceptions made for the packaging or text present on the item.

Maybe adding in something along the lines of "which must be disclosed upon listing" or something similar so full disclosure IS a requirement.

any advances or better wordings people can think up?



Edited By: Jetpac on Dec 13, 2011 23:50
1 Like #39
Have we had clarification of what font size is required yet? What about italics, does italics make it invalid?
1 Like #40
dcx_badass
Have we had clarification of what font size is required yet? What about italics, does italics make it invalid?


This was sorted a few days ago. The only font which is required is the ASB font.

I've looked for it on google and it seems it's a new unspecific font that can be altered at any given time.

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