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[admin]#1
That's what voting is for right...?
banned 5 Likes #2
Admin
That's what voting is for right...?

completely different. No point in having a 'Like' system if people cant even thank the OP

Seems an obvious omission to me oO
4 Likes #3
Not really the same though is it ?

Your deal reaches 100 percent..................end.

Your deal reaches 100 percent and 10 people have liked/thanked you for your submission.

Pretty obvious which one is going to motivate you to post more deals and be a more active member ?

Why have a like system ?
#4
oops , sorry csi, I was typing and making coffee. You covered my points :)

Edited By: hottoshop on Feb 18, 2011 05:19
1 Like #5
It's not facebook ya know :p
[admin]#6
On non deal threads the OP should have a like button I agree.

On deals I disagree. There is no 100% cap hottoshop the temp can keep rising. Why would you want to click hot and click like? What's the difference in meaning that you would want to do both on every deal you thing is good?
1 Like #7
Admin
On non deal threads the OP should have a like button I agree.

On deals I disagree. There is no 100% cap hottoshop the temp can keep rising. Why would you want to click hot and click like? What's the difference in meaning that you would want to do both on every deal you thing is good?


Yeah I worded my post badly although it should have been obvious that the 100 percent was just a plucked figure, what I meant was that the OP of a deal just sees a temp to indicate how his deals have been received.

Personally I'd like to be able to thank the OP of a deal through the like button, to me that's common courtesy, although I accept that one can always post a thanks in the actual thread.

Not sure I understand why there is a like system if it can't be used for the sites main function, posting deals ? I'm also quite happy to thank a deal poster in any way possible if they've helped me save money, why wouldn't I ??
banned#8
hottoshop
Admin
On non deal threads the OP should have a like button I agree.

On deals I disagree. There is no 100% cap hottoshop the temp can keep rising. Why would you want to click hot and click like? What's the difference in meaning that you would want to do both on every deal you thing is good?


Yeah I worded my post badly although it should have been obvious that the 100 percent was just a plucked figure, what I meant was that the OP of a deal just sees a temp to indicate how his deals have been received.

Personally I'd like to be able to thank the OP of a deal through the like button, to me that's common courtesy, although I accept that one can always post a thanks in the actual thread.

Not sure I understand why there is a like system if it can't be used for the sites main function, posting deals ? I'm also quite happy to thank a deal poster in any way possible if they've helped me save money, why wouldn't I ??

couldnt agree more and cannot see how admin cant see it too.

its obvious that people would like to thank an OP by liking the deal. What exactly is the point of the like system without this?
[mod] 2 Likes #9
Admin
On non deal threads the OP should have a like button I agree.

On deals I disagree. There is no 100% cap hottoshop the temp can keep rising. Why would you want to click hot and click like? What's the difference in meaning that you would want to do both on every deal you thing is good?


Much like when you use to be able to leave rep to a deal poster to say thanks. I'd see the like feature on a deal posters deal as an appreciation of the time/effort they went to sharing the deal.

Without the facility to actually use the like system for something constructive like this it all seems rather redundant and as it stands the like facility is just like the old rep system with little groups sharing the wealth with each other.

Just take a look at the clicks for pet food thread........someone say's 'clicked' and it gets tons of likes.........somone replies 'well done' and it gets tons of likes. The system is no different to the rep abuse system you wished to get away from with the one exception being you can't actually use it for a legitimate purpose any longer.
[admin]#10
I think the best way to say thanks to someone on a deal is to vote hot. This does much more than say thanks - it adds to the heat flagging the deal as hot for other members and it adds to the members voting ability.

Is there a situation where you would 'like' a deal but not think it is hot?

If the deal showed who voted hot would you still feel you needed a like button? Is it an attribution thing?
[mod]#11
Admin
I think the best way to say thanks to someone on a deal is to vote hot. This does much more than say thanks - it adds to the heat flagging the deal as hot for other members and it adds to the members voting ability.

Is there a situation where you would 'like' a deal but not think it is hot?

If the deal showed who voted hot would you still feel you needed a like button? Is it an attribution thing?


I just think it adds a more personal touch and would be more encouraging to the deal poster.

I don't see it as a must but also then fail to see what the point is in the like system and why it's here if not to be used in this manner.
banned#12
just do away with the like system completely then as its pointless without liking a deal. Peoples profiles show the like count but this is meaningless as it stands in showing how much a member actually contributes to the site (they might just be excessively chatty, witty, sarcastic or have lots of buddies abusing it).

Edited By: csiman on Feb 18, 2011 11:04
[admin] 1 Like #13
I'd disagree with that dcx - many comments 'make' the thread whether a deal or not. There are many times where more info or criticism is needed on a deal and a comment helps with that.

Just to be clear I do agree 'like' should be on non-deal OPs.
1 Like #14
Admin

Just to be clear I do agree 'like' should be on non-deal OPs.


But you really can't see why it should be on deal OP's ??

I have to admit I'm quite stunned and mystified by that. Your site though so I'll bow out.................


Edit. Bow out of the debate that is, bit to old to be sulking and throwing toys about , lol.

Edited By: hottoshop on Feb 18, 2011 12:03
[admin]#15
I do understand what you are saying but I think it would be too confusing to have 2 actions on a deal when it's important that people vote. I am not closing the door on the idea but right now my feeling is that it's more noise for little gain.

I think the personal support is a good reason for having it - for those of you who are strong members of the community I don't want to discourage you from posting thanks etc by this decision.
#16
How about when people click hot, this adds a like counter?
Maybe when clicking cold, it would perhaps minus a like?
banned 1 Like #17
Admin
I do understand what you are saying but I think it would be too confusing to have 2 actions on a deal when it's important that people vote. I am not closing the door on the idea but right now my feeling is that it's more noise for little gain.

I think the personal support is a good reason for having it - for those of you who are strong members of the community I don't want to discourage you from posting thanks etc by this decision.

I guess maybe OPs can put in a comment in post #2 saying CLICK LIKE IF YOU VOTE HOT

if you are planning on putting it in for all threads except deals then I cant see why you wouldnt put it in for deals as just as easy. Members are aware of the vote system so cant see the heat counts being affected at all. Especially as the heat icons are far more prominent.
banned#18
birdyboyuk
How about when people click hot, this adds a like counter?
Maybe when clicking cold, it would perhaps minus a like?

good idea actually for the voting hot but we dont want to discourage people posting deals if they get minus for cold votes imho
1 Like #19
I would like to say that I agree with the OP, IMO the heat is for the deal but the like is for the poster.
.... and I can see how you could like the effort the poster has gone to even if the deal is a pretty poor one in the end.

Perhaps the way around it is to give all deal posters a number of 'likes' e.g. 5. It lacks the personal touch but maybe it's better than nothing? I think that each hot = like would distort the numbers horribly.
#20
maybe just a new badge for valued members who are always posting hot deals they would stand out from the rest then as not many are constant posters.
1 Like #21
I'd agree with the thoughts that sometimes a deal is not hot, for whatever reasons, but a clear amount of effort has been put into it - whether it be a new poster learning the submission system or a more experienced poster writing a detailed or well-justified description, which ultimately isn't a hot deal through reasons unknown to them at the time. In such a case, its nice to be able to say "Sorry, its not hot, but thanks for the effort" with a like.

Also I'd agree it seems daft that someone who posts 50 excellent deals a day could get no likes, but someone who says 'clicked' on a thread which serves only to bump up the advertising a profit making US company which makes dubious charitable claims gets dozens of likes...

Edited By: jah128 on Feb 18, 2011 14:32
banned#22
I actually agree with admin, the heat system will do the talking. if you want to say thank you personally then just type it...
#23
Syzable

Just take a look at the clicks for pet food thread........someone say's 'clicked' and it gets tons of likes.........somone replies 'well done' and it gets tons of likes. .


I was absolutely gobsmacked when I looked in that thread re the "likes" oO
#24
if you have a like button as well as the heat button for a deal, perhaps the like button will get used more rather then the heat button ? But I do think we need a like button for the opening post for non-deals.
3 Likes #25
Admin

Is there a situation where you would 'like' a deal but not think it is hot?


Yes, in a few cases:

1. When someone puts in a lot of effort to a post, but the deal isn't that great. (i.e. researching the product, lots of product pictures, but then another website beats the price an hour later by £1)

2. When someone posts a blinder of a deal but it gets OOS/expired very quickly.

3. When trying to encourage members that deals for niche products are appreciated, despite the lack of heat.

4. When a deal is underappreciated heat wise the "like" thing adds a more personal touch and still shows the OP the deal was helpful to at least one person, which in turn makes them more likely to post more deals in future.

5. Also applies to deals that are inexplicably cold despite being good deals, etc.

6. For joke posts that sometimes get crazy heat. You might want to thank someone for sharing a website that's selling a diamond encrusted mankini for £20k without adding heat to it, etc.


I just think it'll encourage extra activity for no real negatives.

The only possible negative i can see is some people might "like" a deal and not vote hot, but i'd imagine that'd be relatively rare seeing as temperature voting has been happening for years and this would be a new feature, etc.

Plus i think a lot of people stop bothering to vote hot after it's reached a certain threshold anyway.
I don't bother voting hot on deals once they're above the 100 degree mark and on the "hot" page.

Edit
Admin: On an unrelated note, can you remove the "edited by" thing on ninja edits?
90% of my posts have a ninja edit, and they never show the "reason for edit" box during the editing stage, but they still always show the "edited by:" message afterwards. Never used to be like that.


Edited By: Eldini on Feb 18, 2011 18:47: .
1 Like #26
I say go with admins idea of being able to like the op in all forums bar deals, at the very least it should provide a few chuckles watching the developers try to get that working.
banned 1 Like #27
ants97
I say go with admins idea of being able to like the op in all forums bar deals, at the very least it should provide a few chuckles watching the developers try to get that working.


+1
Admin, what was the reason for not allowing the like button on the OP in the first place?
[helper] 1 Like #28
Paddy raised this issue several weeks ago ...........
http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/like-original-post/858197

I'm with the "like" the original post crew.......:)
banned#29
Nah load of bull.. Instead of worrying about stupid likes and badges get a good search function on the go. People accidentally "like" posts all the time especially when on a mobiles. If you appreciate what someone has posted, whether it be hot or cold... TELL THEM. a "thanks" in writing is far more effective than a simple "like" feature.

Spend developers time doing something useful. Like this, like that. What a load of cack.
#30
DangerGod
Nah load of bull.. Instead of worrying about stupid likes and badges get a good search function on the go. People accidentally "like" posts all the time especially when on a mobiles. If you appreciate what someone has posted, whether it be hot or cold... TELL THEM. a "thanks" in writing is far more effective than a simple "like" feature.

Spend developers time doing something useful. Like this, like that. What a load of cack.

tbh search isn't too bad, especially advanced with a couple of extra clicks...
apart from inability to find common words like 'the' 'other' 'cause'...

Edited By: brilly on Feb 19, 2011 01:20: .
banned 1 Like #31
DangerGod
I actually agree with admin, the heat system will do the talking. if you want to say thank you personally then just type it...

but then you end up with deals continually being bumped with just 'thanks' in it. Pretty daft if you ask me.
banned 1 Like #32
guv
DangerGod
Nah load of bull.. Instead of worrying about stupid likes and badges get a good search function on the go. People accidentally "like" posts all the time especially when on a mobiles. If you appreciate what someone has posted, whether it be hot or cold... TELL THEM. a "thanks" in writing is far more effective than a simple "like" feature.

Spend developers time doing something useful. Like this, like that. What a load of cack.


To be honest, I'd prefer the like function be removed altogether. Its used far more just to annoy other posters than it is to say "thanks".

Saying thanks in a thread isnt a bad thing, but soon lost. Obviously having lots of likes is important to some (god knows why - the clique gang have pretty much destroyed any purpose of its existence.) But i do think an OP is relevant to be thanked.

I'll give an example of why the admin idea of voting a deal hot is a bad one.

The guy who posted this deal has done so on an item he bought. Having read the posts within, I wouldnt want to vote hot purely because its not as good as first thought, however, the guy not only spent the time and effort to buy and post the deal, he made what I can only describe as a fantastic youtube review. I'd seriously like to see more deals posted from guys like this.

If saying "thanks" in type is good enough, then remove the like function. Voting something hot as suggested by Admin is clearly not the answer.

In fact... I'd prefer it to be 100% the opposite. Thank someone for posting a good deal by giving rep - and remove it elsewhere!

of topic but admin really needs to fix the hyperlinks in that they are pretty hard to spot! See one above, if you can find it!
#33
richp
if you have a like button as well as the heat button for a deal, perhaps the like button will get used more rather then the heat button ? But I do think we need a like button for the opening post for non-deals.


Read through all this and agree with Rich on this one.
#34
Guv I can't even get my idioms correct!!

I obviously am missing the point as usual, nothing new there :D
banned#35
dcx_badass
Prime example:
[url=%0Ahttp://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/33-1080p-mkv-x264-media-player-with-dts-downmix-dealextreme/880000]
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/33-1080p-mkv-x264-media-player-with-dts-downmix-dealextreme/880000[/url]

A crap deal, available for the same price from the UK, branded, with warranty and no need for a plug adapter.

Only voted hot as people liked the review.

A number of people including myself and the OP stated that the deal I mentioned is better yet it's still heating up.

This is why we need the like button.


The OP links to a deal, your post fails to do so. That might be one of the reasons for your post not being likes as much as you think it should be, although there may be other reasons.


Edited By: aScottishBloke on Feb 19, 2011 14:39
1 Like #36
aScottishBloke

The OP links to a deal, your post fails to do so. That might be one of the reasons for your post not being likes as much as you think it should be, although there may be other reasons.[/b]


Don't think he was talking about how many likes he personally received. He was on about the OP receiving crazy heat for an inferior deal due to exceptional deal presentation.

Referring back to my post #27 in this thread. There's at least 6 reasons i can think of for this minor change, and only potentially only 1 against it.

However i still think that deal would have still got too much heat regardless of whether this feature was in place at the time.



Homer: When will people learn? Democracy doesn't work!

http://www.triblogs.com/ims/homer-doh.png


Edited By: Eldini on Feb 19, 2011 18:03
banned#37
dcx_badass
The other reasons are that people like the video, it's a none deal, I've not posted a link as people can stop been lazy and google, the product I referred too is the same price on a large number of sites.



It still would have been nice to link to 1 or more sites to assist others, still that's your call, but a possible explanation of why your claim may have been overlooked.


guv

So are you saying people should vote a deal hot even though they know there are better deals out there?

Strangely, that thread seems to be echoing what's been said here, that the temperature is down to showing appreciation for the posters review work - (Which definitely cries out for "rep" recognition)

"Heat and rep applied" were worthy comments once upon a time..... Now its "heat applied even though I think your deal sucks - but thanks for posting".



No, I don't think I'd attempt to influence anyone on how to vote. I merely offered an explanation. As for the price based claim, I take more than the headline price into account in deciding if an item is a bargain.
banned#38
I see what you mean now guv. Given the thread used, I may have voted cold or abstained from voting and indeed issued a like for his subsequent post.

I wasn't really intending to get into this discussion other than highlighting an issue another member raised in the thread though.
[admin] 2 Likes #39
There's some good points raised re why you would want to like and not vote. I'll think about it some more.

In the meantime we will put likes on non-deal OP's and please leave comments on good deal posters thread even if the deal is poor as that is worth 100 likes to have a personal comment and encouragement.
#40
On non-deals yes, but on deals... why?

You vote something hot, it means you like it generally.

You don't go "That's a terrible deal, voted cold" and then click "like"

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