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banned#1
dont know, as the last Hatton fight, the board was full of links. think theyve kept it quiet?
#2
well it is illegal right?
#3
roadrunner1;5788212
well it is illegal right?
No. It's not illegal. Sky don't like it, and when they took streamers to court, only the Dutch Football League won and they cannot be streamed
#4
boydent999
No. It's not illegal. Sky don't like it, and when they took streamers to court, only the Dutch Football League won and they cannot be streamed


hi can you tell me if it is possible to watch prem at 3 on a sat afternoon
#5
gatesy;5788252
hi can you tell me if it is possible to watch prem at 3 on a sat afternoon
Yes it is, but not gonna post links until a mod says if i can or not
#6
ok bud i will have a look around when thr season starts :thinking:no harm in freedom of speech
#7
@ boydent999

Cheers for posting this, not sure will get a clear answer from anyone.....Anyway i can send you a PM mate

Cheers
banned 1 Like #8
roadrunner1
well it is illegal right?


No its not illegal.

The only person who would have broken any laws, could be the person uploading the stream.

So mods, are you also going to ban and infract any youtube clips that have copyright music included in them? 'Cos there seriously is no difference. (If you think otherwise, be my guest and let us know why.)

My Satellite setup has the ability to stream. The fight or anything from sky, would be illegal for me to upload. Same would apply to any Premier game - even if it were only broadcast on a foreign station, since The FA own the brodcasting rights in the UK - where I reside. There would however, be no problem to stream an Italian game where there are no rights in the Uk for the game. The above is clearly just for uploading. The fight - regardless of whether it was the one from sky, would not be a problem to watch in the UK via the internet. Fact is however, there were at least 5 broadcasters I know of showing it. Only one was UK based.

Watching UK premier games in the UK - is completely legal. The only caveat on that, would be if you were using methods to unencrypt the broadcast from the satellite and the intended market was the UK. (Clearly not applicable if watching online.) Of course, if you showed the broadcast (via satellite or internet) in a Pub - that would be illegal, since its a broadcasting in a public place - and the FA wont have granted the rights to do so - unless via a valid sky subscription.

In short. It isn't a grey area - and certainly far less than allowing threads that show exactly how to pirate Nintendo games. Both should be allowed regardless. A member posting a link is far less of an issue, than spelling out how to defraud a software / hardware manufacturer.

However, I don't expect the guys infraction to be overturned regardless. Its a shame that saying "sorry, we got it wrong" is so difficult.
#9
guv
No its not illegal.

The only person who would have broken any laws, could be the person uploading the stream.

So mods, are you also going to ban and infract any youtube clips that have copyright music included in them? 'Cos there seriously is no difference. (If you think otherwise, be my guest and let us know why.)

My Satellite setup has the ability to stream. The fight or anything from sky, would be illegal for me to upload. Same would apply to any Premier game - even if it were only broadcast on a foreign station, since The FA own the brodcasting rights in the UK - where I reside. There would however, be no problem to stream an Italian game where there are no rights in the Uk for the game. The above is clearly just for uploading. The fight - regardless of whether it was the one from sky, would not be a problem to watch in the UK via the internet. Fact is however, there were at least 5 broadcasters I know of showing it. Only one was UK based.

Watching UK premier games in the UK - is completely legal. The only caveat on that, would be if you were using methods to unencrypt the broadcast from the satellite and the intended market was the UK. (Clearly not applicable if watching online.) Of course, if you showed the broadcast (via satellite or internet) in a Pub - that would be illegal, since its a broadcasting in a public place - and the FA wont have granted the rights to do so - unless via a valid sky subscription.

In short. It isn't a grey area - and certainly far less than allowing threads that show exactly how to pirate Nintendo games. Both should be allowed regardless. A member posting a link is far less of an issue, than spelling out how to defraud a software / hardware manufacturer.

However, I don't expect the guys infraction to be overturned regardless. Its a shame that saying "sorry, we got it wrong" is so difficult.


+1
#10
So, morning bump for the morning Mod's :)
@Mr Fun, let's see how this thread pans out.......thanks

Just before it is suggested i use the Contact Us, well, have done

"Hello to you all,

Please could we have a reply to this thread?
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/443452/links-to-live-sports-justin-tv-and-
Seems unfair that a member has been infracted for it

Thanks in advance
boydent999"
banned#11
Just to let you know that we've not forgotten about this query. It will be answered shortly. Thanks for your patience.
#12
Lol, you mean you're not all up and about yet to have a meeting? :)
Thanks for the update though, much appreciated
[admin]#13
Hi guys-

It looks like we've messed up on this one sorry- mrfun1981 we'll get your infraction lifted asap and unspam the thread. We'll also keep the mod involved up to date so the same mistake doesn't happen again.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention- and again mrfun1981, we're sorry .
[mod]#14
Happy ending. :)

p.s - Not a bad fight either. (Amir Khan btw)
1 Like #15
Ah right, so we were waiting for JB to get up then and out of bed? I don't know :)
Being serious, thanks for the replies and is nice to see a happy ending and a clear clarification, esp so quick :)
Syzable, behave, awful fight!
[mod]#16
boydent999;5789317

Syzable, behave, awful fight!


I was guessing.........i only saw the last 2 rounds as i nodded off. :lol: From what i saw Amir Khan was hiding behind his hands......i was hoping the other 10 rounds were better. lol
banned#17
juliet_bravo
Hi guys-

It looks like we've messed up on this one sorry- mrfun1981 we'll get your infraction lifted asap and unspam the thread. We'll also keep the mod involved up to date so the same mistake doesn't happen again.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention- and again mrfun1981, we're sorry .


Kudos to you JB.:thumbsup:
#18
Thanks for the support guys

juliet_bravo
Hi guys-

It looks like we've messed up on this one sorry- mrfun1981 we'll get your infraction lifted asap and unspam the thread. We'll also keep the mod involved up to date so the same mistake doesn't happen again.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention- and again mrfun1981, we're sorry .


Can i just ask is this your opinon & it will be lifted or do i still have to what for the mods to have there chat about the ruling today.

As the mod that gave me the infraction was compareing putting links to streaming sites to putting links of illegal torrent sites which he says brake the rules BUT after reading the code of conduct it says nothing about torrent sites or streaming sites so if indeed against the rules can you please update the rules


Syzable
Happy ending. :)

p.s - Not a bad fight either. (Amir Khan btw)


Happy ending im not 100% sure of that as i did do something else to do with this very matter which i might get suspended for, being only for 1 day but still be on record on here.

An as for the fight it self it was a ok fight bit one sided tbh
[mod]#19
If JB say's the infraction will be removed then it will be removed and done and dusted. :)
[admin]#20
mrfun1981
Thanks for the support guys



Can i just ask is this your opinon & it will be lifted or do i still have to what for the mods to have there chat about the ruling today.


It will be lifted from your account asap :) I can unban members but Rayman or Admin are the only ones who can wipe the infraction slate clean.


mrfun1981

As the mod that gave me the infraction was compareing putting links to streaming sites to putting links of illegal torrent sites which he says brake the rules BUT after reading the code of conduct it says nothing about torrent sites or streaming sites so if indeed against the rules can you please update the rules


It was a mistake- Publication of torrent site links is actually a legal matter, which doesn't apply here as they're two seperate entities.
#21
Have posted a thread in misc where folks might wanna post the links/sites they use.......
#22
juliet_bravo

It will be lifted from your account asap :) I can unban members but Rayman or Admin are the only ones who can wipe the infraction slate clean.




It was a mistake- Publication of torrent site links is actually a legal matter, which doesn't apply here as they're two seperate entities.


Thanks for that

Sent you a PM, would be great full if you could reply

Cheers
#23
juliet_bravo = best MOD ever!
#24
just another point about that thread and its good to see a some what positive outcome but was it only mrfun who recieved an infraction for posting links as others myself included posted links and never recieved any infraction?

Just wondering why mrfun was seemingly singled out?
#25
massmail666
juliet_bravo = best MOD ever!


+1 (million)

I've had my fair share of infractions from JB, but she is always well mannered and willing to discuss things when asked. More mods should take note.:thumbsup:
banned#26
ants97;5790715
just another point about that thread and its good to see a some what positive outcome but was it only mrfun who recieved an infraction for posting links as others myself included posted links and never recieved any infraction?

Just wondering why mrfun was seemingly singled out?


He wasn't singled out by the mod involved. He only responded to a report and made a slight error of judgement when making a call on the legality of things. It was spammed at the time as a duplicate, but infracted wrongly.

Hope that clears up all outstanding issues.
#27
aScottishBloke
He wasn't singled out by the mod involved. He only responded to a report and made a slight error of judgement when making a call on the legality of things. It was spammed at the time as a duplicate, but infracted wrongly.

Hope that clears up all outstanding issues.[/B]


not really as others myself included never recieved the infraction for posting "illegal" links in the same thread. so does that mean a mod only acts if theres a report even though others in the same thread have carried out the same "offence"?

anyway cheers for the prompt answer.
#28
Ants,

JUST as the fight was about to start, someone posted a thread, i forget who.
It had a link in there, that had been posted a few times before it what was the main thread.
Had a title like, Khan fight about to start, and as i said, op had the link to justin.tv several of us were watching
I sent a report into the mods, summat like don't we have enough threads about the fight and it also has a link to streaming tv.
Looking back now at the aftermath, it seems the mod MIGHT have misinterpreted my report as being, you cannot post stream links.
If the mod did misinterpret it, then i guess i take some blame too. I did not report it for the link, more, we had enough threads on the fight already.
If that is what has caused all this, then i am sorry
If not, then, dunno what happened, but might explain why one person was singled out

Can folks remember who posted the thread, like i say, summat like, Khan Fight About To Start Now? I spammed it and reported it.......
#29
boydent999
Ants,

JUST as the fight was about to start, someone posted a thread, i forget who.
It had a link in there, that had been posted a few times before it what was the main thread.
Had a title like, Khan fight about to start, and as i said, op had the link to justin.tv several of us were watching
I sent a report into the mods, summat like don't we have enough threads about the fight and it also has a link to streaming tv.
Looking back now at the aftermath, it seems the mod MIGHT have misinterpreted my report as being, you cannot post stream links.
If the mod did misinterpret it, then i guess i take some blame too. I did not report it for the link, more, we had enough threads on the fight already.
If that is what has caused all this, then i am sorry
If not, then, dunno what happened, but might explain why one person was singled out

Can folks remember who posted the thread, like i say, summat like, Khan Fight About To Start Now? I spammed it and reported it.......


aaah cheers. That makes it slightly more understandable, but the thread I put the links in was also removed, anyway all just seems to have been a misunderstanding and all seems to be fine now. No harm done I suppose.
#30
Yeah, the what i'd call main boxing thread, where i too put links in was removed.
I think it comes down to the streaming links comment.
Guess in some ways, as long as young Mr Fun's infraction is removed, it might have been for the best cos at least now we all know that we can post links.......for now :p
banned#31
ants97;5790947
not really as others myself included never recieved the infraction for posting "illegal" links in the same thread. so does that mean a mod only acts if theres a report even though others in the same thread have carried out the same "offence"?

anyway cheers for the prompt answer.


After the infraction was issued, it was appreciated further clarification may be required, hence no further action/infractions.

Hope all is now clear.
#32
boydent999
Ants,

JUST as the fight was about to start, someone posted a thread, i forget who.
It had a link in there, that had been posted a few times before it what was the main thread.
Had a title like, Khan fight about to start, and as i said, op had the link to justin.tv several of us were watching
I sent a report into the mods, summat like don't we have enough threads about the fight and it also has a link to streaming tv.
Looking back now at the aftermath, it seems the mod MIGHT have misinterpreted my report as being, you cannot post stream links.
If the mod did misinterpret it, then i guess i take some blame too. I did not report it for the link, more, we had enough threads on the fight already.
If that is what has caused all this, then i am sorry
If not, then, dunno what happened, but might explain why one person was singled out

Can folks remember who posted the thread, like i say, summat like, Khan Fight About To Start Now? I spammed it and reported it.......


I think you are on about the thread i started http://hotukdeals.com/item/443443/amir-khan-vs-andriy-kotelnik-about-

. It was deleted at the time but since has been put back on since the infraction has been removed.

Guess there is no harm done in the end, n we all know where we stand & we CAN post links to streaming events
#33
mrfun1981;5791600
I think you are on about the thread i started http://hotukdeals.com/item/443443/amir-khan-vs-andriy-kotelnik-about-
Y-E-S that was the one i spammed and reported :oops:
Think we've come full circle now and it's all become clear.......build my gallows high
banned#34
boydent999;5792633
Y-E-S that was the one i spammed and reported :oops:
Think we've come full circle now and it's all become clear.......build my gallows high


No need at all. All you did was report a post/thread being in the wrong place, as you've already pointed out.

I'll close this now, all done and dusted.

Thanks for your patience all.

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