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banned#1
it clearly states what is wrong in the original thread

Unfortunately you are not allowed to have 2 active threads, and whilst you were trying to follow the rules by starting the new thread, you should have reported this earlier thread to be MOD closed & waited 7 days before starting a new FS/T thread. This is to prevent unfair avoidance of the bump rules etc by negotiating part of the sale / getting interested parties & then starting a sales thread.

You will now need to wait 7 days before relisting now & you can finalise any deals at that time.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/49673...eply&p=6501013
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/49652...ball/?t=496522
#2
Errrmmm... strictly speaking the haggling for a price in jason786's thread was against the rules, since it wasn't posted in the FS/FT section, but as a deal request - I think.

As for the 2 active threads/7day rule, I think that Sigma thought that both threads were created by the same person, which is not the case.


Looking at it, I see a deal request thread asking for an item and a for sale thread that offers to fulfil the deal request with a private sale - can't see anything wrong with that.
[mod]#3
As for the 2 active threads/7day rule, I think that Sigma thought that both threads were created by the same person, which is not the case.

I realised that one thread was created by the buyer & one by the seller, but it was still negotiations for the same item with the same 2 parties prior to the fs/t listings, which was then reserved for buyer from the request thread. I've already clarified the matter as well yesterday by PM.

Imagine if every price request thread found a prospective buyer & then the buyer listed the wanted thread in fs/t reserving it for the specific seller & vice versa - it's still the same item / trade between the same two individuals using a work-around & the deal was still partially agreed outside of fs/t forum with 'free bumps' which is a breach of the 7 day rule.

In this specific thread it was an innocent mistake rather than a deliberate way to avoid the rules & one which we appreciated in the subsequent actions we took. Its also very rare for sales to be agreed off thread & then a second active thread stared by the 'found' party specifically for the 'requester'. Hope that helps clarify it a bit more, thanks.
banned#4
errmm could you not have moved thread to the fs board, it seems silly to have to have waited 7 days, or could they not have traded in deal requests, confused to what they should have done
#5
SUMMONER
Errrmmm... strictly speaking the haggling for a price in jason786's thread was against the rules, since it wasn't posted in the FS/FT section, but as a deal request - I think.

As for the 2 active threads/7day rule, I think that Sigma thought that both threads were created by the same person, which is not the case.


Looking at it, I see a deal request thread asking for an item and a for sale thread that offers to fulfil the deal request with a private sale - can't see anything wrong with that.


That's what I thou.
#6
sassie
errmm could you not have moved thread to the fs board, it seems silly to have to have waited 7 days, or could they not have traded in deal requests, confused to what they should have done


Exactley what im trying to figure out,if I was in the op's position what is the correct way to go about things?
[mod]#7
sassie
errmm could you not have moved thread to the fs board, it seems silly to have to have waited 7 days, or could they not have traded in deal requests, confused to what they should have done

They'd started a second thread active unfortunately so already had a double listing for the same item / parties. When one buyer / seller pre agree a sale outside of fs/t with a 'free' bump allowance, we do ask that they don't relist a second active thread as it's unfair on other members who do follow the rules & find buyers in their wanted threads.

If they'd contacted us prior to listing in FS/T & asked for the existing thread to be moved we could have looked at that option then. But that applies to most fs/t rule breaches, eg if you'd locked your earlier thread first, if you hadn't listed the same items twice, if you'd used edit/multi quote etc - what you can do & what has been done are unfortunately often two different things.

Allowing some members to have double active listings & not others would be unfair on those members that have had threads locked in the past.
banned#8
sorry sigma you lost me, i can see one thread in deal requests asking for a powerball and one thread in fs board selling the powerball, that is one thread each, have the other threads been removed off the boards
#9
sassie
sorry sigma you lost me, i can see one thread in deal requests asking for a powerball and one thread in fs board selling the powerball, that is one thread each, have the other threads been removed off the boards


One has been closed Sassie.

-He opened a misc asking for a price comparison.
-He got a price on a new one.
-He offered his as a trade here
-He opened a new thread to sell the existing item should of asked it to be moved.

Instead he reported it then opened another. So broke the rules of the 7 day listing.

I'm guessing that's the grounds on the multiple thread.
banned#10
Adam2050
One has been closed Sassie.

-He opened a misc asking for a price comparison.
-He got a price on a new one.
-He offered his as a trade here
-He opened a new thread to sell the existing item should of asked it to be moved.

Instead he reported it then opened another. So broke the rules of the 7 day listing.

I'm guessing that's the grounds on the multiple thread.


why cant i see any of these threads, except the one opened to look for one in deals requests by jason, then the other member opened one if the fs boards :?
#11
sassie
why cant i see any of these threads, except the one opened to look for one in deals requests by jason, then the other member opened one if the fs boards :?


I can't see the other.
banned#12
Adam2050
I can't see the other.


so where is it then? they dont remove threads, they lock them
#13
sassie
so where is it then? they dont remove threads, they lock them


Queried it here
[mod]#14
(3) All sales MUST be listed and completed fully on the HUKD FS/FT forum. All negotiations must be done within the thread until a sale is agreed by both parties.

All sales must be listed & completed in FS/T. The sale was negotiated in Deal requests with no bump allowance used. The OP could have got in touch & requested that the thread be moved & we could have reviewed it at that point. Instead a second active thread was relisted for the same trade in FS/T.
Those same items must NOT be listed or offered in ANY other active thread. * It's YOUR responsibility to use the 'report' button to have your active threads closed BEFORE relisting.

The members involved have not queried this any further.
banned#15
sigma

All sales must be listed & completed in FS/T. The sale was negotiated in Deal requests with no bump allowance used. The OP could have got in touch & requested that the thread be moved & we could have reviewed it at that point. Instead a second active thread was relisted for the same trade in FS/T.

The members involved have not queried this any further.


sigma, although this is about said threads, it also questions issues to what has been done, so there was in fact only two threads, one by each member, which clearly seems unreasonable and unfair
banned#16
I don't get it why has this thread been locked and what was wrong with the trade?

To me he did everything the correct way but would like to know what exactley he done wrong so I don't do it if im in the same position!
I thou it was the correct way to go about it by opening a thread for the sale!


Deal Request

FS/FT Listing


Deal Requests should be used for members looking to obtain items from merchants.
FS/FT is for private indivduals.

The Deal Request listing became a bargaining thread. This should not have happened. In addition the 'thread jacker' for want of a better phrase, then stood to benefit by creating yet another thread, this time in FS/FT.

Sigma has acknowledged the 2 different OP's. The thread closure remains the correct decision for all the points highlighted previously.
banned#17
aScottishBloke

Deal Request

FS/FT Listing


Deal Requests should be used for members looking to obtain items from merchants.
FS/FT is for private indivduals.

The Deal Request listing became a bargaining thread. This should not have happened. In addition the 'thread jacker' for want of a better phrase, [B][B]then stood to benefit by creating yet another thread
[/B], this time in FS/FT.

Sigma has acknowledged the 2 different OP's. The thread closure remains the correct decision for all the points highlighted previously.[/B]


but he only made one, unless of course there is a reason the other was removed from the boards

this clearly needs sorting out ASB, lots of pewople ask for second hand goods in deals, also threads asking in misc wanting things are also moved to deal requests, just flicked through a few threads in deal requests and alot askiong for second hand stuff, so how are they going to deal


so if i make a thread in deals and three pages in someone says they have one and they will sell, i then have to wait 7 days for the other person, not me, to list it
banned#18
sassie;6511479
but he only made one, unless of course there is a reason the other was removed from the boards

this clearly needs sorting out ASB, lots of pewople ask for second hand goods in deals, also threads asking in misc wanting things are also moved to deal requests, just flicked through a few threads in deal requests and alot askiong for second hand stuff, so how are they going to deal


so if i make a thread in deals and three pages in someone says they have one and they will sell, i then have to wait 7 days for the other person, not me, to list it


Sassie,

Thanks, Deal Requests is for new items from merchants. If anything is posted within that forum that is aiming to obtain it from a member, then that post is filed under the wrong forum. We don't allow bargaining anywhere other than the FS/FT.

The other member should not attempt to thread jack. They can create a listing if required but not to promote this (which is essentially what happened). If I had a couple of spare items surplus to requirements and I noticed Deal Requests for the same item, I'd have my listing up in a shot knowing there was a demand.

If I've missed anything, let me know.
banned#19
Then could you speak to admin and get the fs board changed to wanted/fs/trades please, i have always seen people offering goods in deal requests, anyone offering anything in a thread is promoting their sale, whether listed in its own thread or not
#20
sassie
Then could you speak to admin and get the fs board changed to wanted/fs/trades please, i have always seen people offering goods in deal requests, anyone offering anything in a thread is promoting their sale, whether listed in its own thread or not


Sassie.

Whats a deal request have anything to do with FS/FT request which happened here?

He asked for a deal then dealt with it in FS/FT manor which is crossing boards.

If you had a deal request thread, the bumps would be ridiculous surely?

If he wanted a member to offer him an item personally then he should of just listed it in FS/FT.

No heard a peep out of the guy in question.:thumbsup:

Do you get what I mean?
banned#21
I have been a member here 3 years and see lots of deal requests asking for second hand stuff, and never realised this was against forul rules for someone to post they had one for sale and then open up a fs thread, people even discuss things in other fs threads then start a thread and state for so and so as discussed elswehere. They are two different people and have infact been treated as one
#22
sassie
I have been a member here 3 years and see lots of deal requests asking for second hand stuff, and never realised this was against forul rules for someone to post they had one for sale and then open up a fs thread, people even discuss things in other fs threads then start a thread and state for so and so as discussed elswehere. They are two different people and have infact been treated as one


Its the same person who had an offer given to him and the other offer was then taken in the FS/FT manor on another thread. If he had just put ill offer 13, I doubt it would of got noticed. I know people have done this in the past and continue to do. Obviously they got caught out.

The rule has changed since the price request deal, surely it falls under this. As your crossing boards. Think thats what the admins are more concerned about. As I doubt they did anything but lock the threads in question.

They are free to operate in 7 days from the original post?
#24


Well report them to be moved?

I know what you mean about /Wanted/FS/FT.

But in the bump enviroment I can't see it working.
banned#25
Adam2050
Well report them to be moved?


wtf for, they want new or used, shoudl they put one in each, oh no they cant :roll:
#26
sassie
wtf for, they want new or used, shoudl they put one in each, oh no they cant :roll:


People not sell new stuff?:w00t:
#27
I think next time I go on the fs/ft boards ill consult a lawyer before I make any kind of trade to read the rules hear to make sure I aint breaking any unwittingly.
Seriously it still doesnt make much sense and again 1 persons thread gets locked while most others in the same instance there sales are kool.
And before any1 says report the thread how can you report a thread when you cant see what was wrong with said sale.
banned#28
cassidy04;6516324
I think next time I go on the fs/ft boards ill consult a lawyer before I make any kind of trade to read the rules hear to make sure I aint breaking any unwittingly.
Seriously it still doesnt make much sense and again 1 persons thread gets locked while most others in the same instance there sales are kool.
And before any1 says report the thread how can you report a thread when you cant see what was wrong with said sale.


You don't need to consult a lawyer, you already had clairfication on your voucher issue. Having disregarded that, I don't think you'll get any better advise elsewhere.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last point, however if you care to link to threads where you feel we have failed to show some consistency, then perhaps we can clarify. You must bear in mind that we don't get the opportunity to review every thread/post. We have a reliance on the membership here who do a fantastic job re self regulation.
#29
the mods go on reports from other members..... so if you want to get a members thread pulled/locked for some reason there are numerous ways to do so, just hit the report button and quote some resemblence/interpretation to a rule and it will be locked and a huge hoo rah made out of it in feedback by the usual members and the reportee:)
#30
aScottishBloke

You don't need to consult a lawyer, you already had clairfication on your voucher issue. Having disregarded that, I don't think you'll get any better advise elsewhere.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last point, however if you care to link to threads where you feel we have failed to show some consistency, then perhaps we can clarify. You must bear in mind that we don't get the opportunity to review every thread/post. We have a reliance on the membership here who do a fantastic job re self regulation.


Dude who mentioned vouchers lol thats so last week.
And what I ment was 1 thread gets locked for 1 reason and another thread thats almost the exact same doesnt,and no theres no links I started this thread with a link about what I was on about and without checking back I can remember a thread the exact same but that sale was ok.
Anyways all I wanted was clarification on what was exactley wrong with the said thread and how he should have went about the sale without getting locked.

casparwhite
the mods go on reports from other members..... so if you want to get a members thread pulled/locked for some reason there are numerous ways to do so, just hit the report button and quote some resemblence/interpretation to a rule and it will be locked and a huge hoo rah made out of it in feedback by the usual members and the reportee:)


You aint wrong there but what gets me is how many threads get locked for the most stupid reasons and common sense gets flung out the window.
I can safely say ive never reported a thread ever on hear and I know the site counts on people regulating things and I know there are certain members who do help for the good of the site and its members but there are others who just try to report everything in site.
banned#31
Cassidy04,

Unless you link, we can't comment on other threads. You have your answer to the OP so I'll close this thread.

Let us know if you think we've missed anything.

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