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#1
Sorry, didn't really explain myself there. If someone is new, they can't sell a high value item unless collection only. Until they reach a specific point where they are a 'trusted' member?
#2
Am not sure that is a good idea, just 'cause i havent any rep on here does not make me unsafe to deal with at the same time its not a bad idea, point is an item might be for sale and i wanted it badly but cannot colect because of the distance.
#3
saayinla
Am not sure that is a good idea, just 'cause i havent any rep on here does not make me unsafe to deal with at the same time its not a bad idea, point is an item might be for sale and i wanted it badly but cannot colect because of the distance.


but you would happily offer collection I presume. Ok, so it cuts down the potential amount of buyers, but then it adds a good level of security for everyone
banned#4
if everyone followed all rules, followed all guidelines, it really ould help, some people are so greedy (not gullible but greedy)they almost deserve to be taken for a ride
#5
i think its faily safe as it is
#6
the only problem with collection only is what if the seller is new and lives in some remote area?
#7
So if a "Newbie" had a PS3 that I really wanted to buy, I couldn't buy it because they lived too far for me to collect it. :x
1 Like #8
thesaint
So if a "Newbie" had a PS3 that I really wanted to buy, I couldn't buy it because they lived too far for me to collect it. :x


yeah, basically. 99.9% of people get ripped off on here on a single high value item, normally from a new poster. Perhaps we should be more like a classifieds than a buy it now ebay. So local items only at high value?
[admin]#9
I think that members with zero feedback should be 'shunned' in a way and that they should deal with members only with high feedback where the zero feedback takes the risk until they build a reputation.

I think I've been slammed for that before but I think it is a reasonable suggestion. I'm not sure I'd make it a rule but I think it could be made the "social norm".
banned#10
should be shunned, what does that mean?
[admin]#11
I mean I personally wouldn't deal with someone with zero feedback and not sure why anyone else would unless their risk was less. Someone who has built up a rep has something to lose. Someone with zero has nothing to lose.

"shunned" - i.e. no-one deals with them when they expect others to take the risk.
banned#12
Admin
I mean I personally wouldn't deal with someone with zero feedback and not sure why anyone else would unless their risk was less. Someone who has built up a rep has something to lose. Someone with zero has nothing to lose.


i dont think feedback equates to much really, i think the chance of getting ripped off by someone with zero feedback is as much as someone with feedback, well from what i have seen
#13
Admin
I think that members with zero feedback should be 'shunned' in a way and that they should deal with members only with high feedback where the zero feedback takes the risk until they build a reputation.

I think I've been slammed for that before but I think it is a reasonable suggestion. I'm not sure I'd make it a rule but I think it could be made the "social norm".


Although I agree with some of that at the same time everyone has to start somewhere, I have only ever sold once on here, all went well but no feedback was exchanged so therefore if I was to sell again I would not like to be shunned as I am trustworthy seller as my Amazon & Ebay 100% would back me up.
#14
Just have them send the item first
[admin]#15
Everyone has to start somewhere definitely. I am saying if you have zero and someone has 50 that it seems to me the person with 50 should be able to ask the one with zero to take the risk.

Feedback isn't perfect but I think when it's zero it's really less than perfect :)

I agree re amazon/ebay that's why I say I wouldn't make it a rule but rather more of a state of mind.

SteJosh
Just have them send the item first


That's what I'm saying yeah. Let them build up some feedback that way.
banned#16
I personally feel fpr newbies getting ripped off, as they do tend to jump in feet first, i suppose for some starnge reason they feel safe and believe they have some kind of back up from hukd, but when you see established members acting like there at a jumble sale i can see why where the newbies get their ideas from
[admin]#17
Newbies dealing with newbies is the worst situation really. If we had more of a culture where a newbie dealt with longer term members then they would also have some security?

That kind of atmosphere would also encourage more members to build their feedback honestly so they could get more offers as more newbies would deal with them. i.e. an established member would get more buyers so they would be encouraged to build up a profile as honest.
#18
bazzaric
yeah, basically. 99.9% of people get ripped off on here on a single high value item, normally from a new poster. Perhaps we should be more like a classifieds than a buy it now ebay. So local items only at high value?


99.9% get ripped off because they don't follow the guidelines.
If people were followintg these and get ripped off, I would see it would be time for a draconian measure as to what you are suggesting.

Like sassie said, too many people rush into getting a bargain, and leave their brain at home.
They then start a thread complaining. "Phone them" is what I always say, they always reply "I didn't get the phone number because..." They should be banned from trading, not the scammer. At least the scammer is using some brains.

I have missed out on the odd purchase because of my attitude to risk, but I am yet to be scammed.

There's always another deal around the corner.
#19
soon this place will have more rules than ebay (i know i shouldnt complain, no fees etc), its difficult to list an item without either some smart **** comment from a member (normally a longer term member) or getting ridiculous offers also in some cases, and how are you meant to built your feedback up if no one will deal with you, like someone else said we all have to start somewhere
banned#20
Adding mandatory items into the FS/FT template would help. This could be populated from the member profile, if not already captured. I see tons of posts with requiring Mod and user intervention, e.g. please post your eBay Id, pic, etc.

Making this mandatory would go a long way towards streamlining the process. Asking traders to comply with rules via tick box, etc might also help.

Failing to leave feedback should also be considered as a violation of rules, Reporting on all trades, good or bad should be mandatory, otherwise the facility has limited value.
banned#21
aScottishBloke
Adding mandatory items into the FS/FT template would help. This could be populated from the member profile, if not already captured. I see tons of posts with requiring Mod and user intervention, e.g. please post your eBay Id, pic, etc.

Making this mandatory would go a long way towards streamlining the process. Asking traders to comply with rules via tick box, etc might also help.

Failing to leave feedback should also be considered as a violation of rules, Reporting on all trades, good or bad should be mandatory, otherwise the facility has limited value.


this has been suggested a few times, but i think the team feel its an extreme measure, i think its a great one and would save alot of time for everyone, including the sellers, the buyers, the team
banned#22
intenso100
soon this place will have more rules than ebay (i know i shouldnt complain, no fees etc), its difficult to list an item without either some smart **** comment from a member (normally a longer term member) or getting ridiculous offers also in some cases, and how are you meant to built your feedback up if no one will deal with you, like someone else said we all have to start somewhere


That's the point of self regulation, most comments are from users in the know informing the trader that they shoul post all the information required as per the rules/guidelines. If they can't be bothered to read beforehand, instead coming back with a lame 'I'm new' excuse, then I'm happy to see them given 24hrs to review the rules, as normally happens when the mods intervene. Users spot this type of behaviour long before Admins, and as such this seems an effective way of dealing with the issue by leaving appropriate comments.

I can't for one moment imagine admins wanting to trawl through every post. My idea of a template might cut the workload for both users and admins.
banned#23
aScottishBloke
That's the point of self regulation, most comments are from users in the know informing the trader that they shoul post all the information required as per the rules/guidelines. If they can't be bothered to read beforehand, instead coming back with a lame 'I'm new' excuse, then I'm happy to see them given 24hrs to review the rules, as normally happens when the mods intervene. Users spot this type of behaviour long before Admins, and as such this seems an effective way of dealing with the issue by leaving appropriate comments.

I can't for one moment imagine admins wanting to trawl through every post. My idea of a template might cut the workload for both users and admins.


when even the established members continually flaunt the rules then get peed because someone brings it up, then extreme measure need to be in place
banned#24
sassie
when even the established members continually flaunt the rules then get peed because someone brings it up, then extreme measure need to be in place


lol, yes, seen it a few times, gross manipulation and contempt have sometimes been shown. Then we move into the shadowy world of multiple aliases as revenge :)

It's quite a privilege to trade in a free environment like this. Some of the warnings/suspensions given, in my opinion, can be too light (I don't mean flogging) for members who should really know better.
#25
sassie;2046182
when even the established members continually flaunt the rules then get peed because someone brings it up, then extreme measure need to be in place

well i dont seem much is working, considering i am in a dispute with an item i brought from a seller on here on 3rd april which i have not recieved, which he claims to have got back as returned to sender bcos i didnt collect from sort office, even though he has no proof of this,
and also he has promised numerous refunds but to no avail
banned#26
intenso100
well i dont seem much is working, considering i am in a dispute with an item i brought from a seller on here on 3rd april much i have not recieved, which he claims to have got back as returned to sender bcos i didnt collect from sort office, even though he has no proof of this.


Things do and will go wrong. You have their name/address/valid email etc.

You have other avenues for anyone taking your money without honouring their obligations.
banned#27
intenso100
well i dont seem much is working, considering i am in a dispute with an item i brought from a seller on here on 3rd april much i have not recieved, which he claims to have got back as returned to sender bcos i didnt collect from sort office, even though he has no proof of this.


the rules and guidelines can only be helpful if used, they will never be 100% safe, like ebay/paypal isnt, i personally think their should be a template with everything on and everything needs filling in, if you dont it wont get listed, ends all the i forgot this, i forgot that, posting pics a day later for a free bump, not adding things deliberatley etc,etc
#28
Although not ideal(fees etc) I would suggest any deals over say £25 are put through ebay.

I realise that's not everyones cup of tea but I think you have a lot more protection from them.

I don't think scammers would deal through ebay either.
banned#29
greg_68
Although not ideal(fees etc) I would suggest any deals over say £25 are put through ebay.

I realise that's not everyones cup of tea but I think you have a lot more protection from them.

I don't think scammers would deal through ebay either.


LOL, the place is full of them :roll:
banned#30
greg_68
Although not ideal(fees etc) I would suggest any deals over say £25 are put through ebay.

I realise that's not everyones cup of tea but I think you have a lot more protection from them.

I don't think scammers would deal through ebay either.


you have as much protection through paypal buying on here as you do if gone through ebay, if you follow the guidelnes, paypal will only refund if there is money in the sellers account and that goes for here or there, people acyually hand over money here without a name, address, phone number, etc, etc would they do that if they bumped into someone in tescos who offered to send them something if they paid there and then
banned#31
sassie
you have as much protection through paypal buying on here as you do if gone through ebay, if you follow the guidelnes, paypal will only refund if there is money in the sellers account and that goes for here or there, people acyually hand over money here without a name, address, phone number, etc, etc would they do that if they bumped into someone in tescos who offered to send them something if they paid there and then


Sassie,

They do, well at least my Da did a wee while back. He said he bought something from a car booty, seller forgot to include the remote. He offered to send later with my Da parting with £5. He's still waiting. Yep, he was a muppet for being too trustworthy.
[admin]#32
intenso100
how are you meant to built your feedback up if no one will deal with you, like someone else said we all have to start somewhere


I'm saying newbies SHOULD build up feedback and deal with others. However they should deal with other members with lots of feedback and take the greater risk. That's how they build up a reputation. It's like an apprenticeship or something.

Newbies dealing with newbies is just trouble in my opinion. Again I wouldn't make it a rule but I think it should be thought of 'socially'.

Re the form to fill in. We do have a form for fs/ft that everyone has to fill in and it does have various compulsory fields. Images are not compulsory b/c not everything has an image and it is not always important.

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