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#1
juliet_bravo
We encourage pics to be posted on all threads, failing to add images can encourage members to bump by proxy by repeatedly asking for a picture.
Whilst trades between established members (who may have traded frequently in the past) are normally very quick and might not need pics, trades involving a newer member (either as a buyer, or a seller) may encourage either side to ask for a picture.

It also helps to establish that the item is in the sellers possession.

We welcome members who look after the fs forum / folk, especially whilst ASB is away
DJ_Urban is not the only member who actively watches threads and tries to help out new members, there are a lot of you who frequently report strange activity / rule breaches and it helps make our job a lot easier if you can all continue to do that.

edi


Please post in a FS/FT thread ONLY if you are interested in the item offered / asked for. Anything else will be considered thread spoiling. If you have any issues, please use the report option and we'll take of it, including asking for pictures.
#2
edi FTW. This urban guy does get annoying when im looking at the fs/ft.
#3
agree, it's about time pics were made compulsary
#4
was just about to say the same thing,just got in and read the silly misc thread that was started.

I also regularly ask for pics and speak up when something looks suspect...can we ask for pics or not mods?

Thanks
#5
boothy
was just about to say the same thing,just got in and read the silly misc thread that was started.

I also regularly ask for pics and speak up when something looks suspect...can we ask for pics or not mods?

Thanks


Exactly Boothy if we as members who are encouraged to self-moderate are no longer to do these deeds then this sets the precedent for reporting everything giving the mods much more to do, and means we can only ask if we are interested in the item.

However, of course we could just state we might be interested in every thread and then say nope...either way still buy/trade items now and again, and thus would have problems proving otherwise. The onus would be on them, not us.

I hope this gets clarification.

Cheers
#6
I have seen a member get a "Warning" for continually doing what the "accused" has been doing.

I think it was a year or two back though.

JB didn't say that members should be posting in threads, she made reference to reports.
#7
thesaint
I have seen a member get a "Warning" for continually doing what the "accused" has been doing.

I think it was a year or two back though.


But as you can see juliet agrees with it, yet edi does not and thus we know what has happened...

EDIT: seen your added end, but if it was wrong then juliet could have said so and not support his argument.
#8
If DJ Urban has been suspended for thread spoiling then that is seriously wrong.

A lot of goodwill will have been lost if this is the case.
#9
boothy
If DJ Urban has been suspended for thread spoiling then that is seriously wrong.

A lot of goodwill will have been lost if this is the case.


And will make a lot of people sour as well to helping and trying to help and even spot scams etc in future.
#10
awoodhall2003
But as you can see juliet agrees with it, yet edi does not and thus we know what has happened...

EDIT: seen your added end, but if it was wrong then juliet could have said so and not support his argument.


Then JB would be incorrect.

Like I said, I can distinctly remember another member being told not to do this before.
The rules as quoted by edi are quite clear.

Some threads get taken over by members trying to be a hero, the report button is there for a reason.
Many members will say "I won't help from now on" etc, but they'll be back after a day or two generally.

Good job mods.
#11
thesaint
Then JB would be incorrect.

Like I said, I can distinctly remember another member being told not to do this before.
The rules as quoted by edi are quite clear.

Some threads get taken over by members trying to be a hero, the report button is there for a reason..


I agree, but all dj urban does/did was a simple one post normally, not argue with the OP like most do. I remember being told not to do so a long time ago alongside i think it was Adam2050, so we just said we might be interested in the items thus why we posted, and it seemed to go overlooked anyways as it was for the greater good, thus we were fair, not causing harm, and were only helping to reduce the mods workload.
#12
Nice to see the suspension lifted

Good job mods
#13
awoodhall2003
I agree, but all dj urban does/did was a simple one post normally, not argue with the OP like most do. I remember being told not to do so a long time ago alongside i think it was Adam2050, so we just said we might be interested in the items thus why we posted, and it seemed to go overlooked anyways as it was for the greater good, thus we were fair, not causing harm, and were only helping to reduce the mods workload.


I agree that he's only been trying to help out, but put it this way; what if you listed something for sale, but it was immediately pushed down to the 2nd/3rd page just because someone was posting in every thread asking for the OP in each one to post pics.....

I'll hold my hands up - I've posted in the odd thread here and there before doing the same (and querying stuff which looks suspicious), but now I tend to use the report button.

In my opinion, I think it should be made that you only post in a thread with offers/acceptance of offers. It would stop a lot of unnecessary bumping of threads. I can't even see that there should be a problem if people were asked to PM the seller in each case when they have simple questions (such as "whats the MFR date of you XBOX etc) instead of then causing 2 bumps in a thread from the question an subsequent response. A thread would then probably consist of 3 or 4 post max (post #1, offer #1, offer #2, acceptance of an offer), and would make the board run smoother.
#14
this really is ridiculous

glad DJ Urban is back
#15
boothy
Nice to see the suspension lifted

Good job mods


Agreed, still think clarification on the matter is needed however.
Although I think this is the first time i've actually seen a suspension lifted...although ive seen worse...ie banned people return...
#16
midlandscomics
I agree that he's only been trying to help out, but put it this way; what if you listed something for sale, but it was immediately pushed down to the 2nd/3rd page just because someone was posting in every thread asking for the OP in each one to post pics.....

I'll hold my hands up - I've posted in the odd thread here and there before doing the same (and querying stuff which looks suspicious), but now I tend to use the report button.

In my opinion, I think it should be made that you only post in a thread with offers/acceptance of offers. It would stop a lot of unnecessary bumping of threads. I can't even see that there should be a problem if people were asked to PM the seller in each case when they have simple questions (such as "whats the MFR date of you XBOX etc) instead of then causing 2 bumps in a thread from the question an subsequent response.


because that information is relevant to all and is the rules (not just a prerequisite as per the photos, thus should be made in the thread regardless of 'bumping'. Furthermore, many people arent going to make offers without the photos.
#17
midlandscomics
I agree that he's only been trying to help out, but put it this way; what if you listed something for sale, but it was immediately pushed down to the 2nd/3rd page just because someone was posting in every thread asking for the OP in each one to post pics.....

I'll hold my hands up - I've posted in the odd thread here and there before doing the same (and querying stuff which looks suspicious), but now I tend to use the report button.

In my opinion, I think it should be made that you only post in a thread with offers/acceptance of offers. It would stop a lot of unnecessary bumping of threads. I can't even see that there should be a problem if people were asked to PM the seller in each case when they have simple questions (such as "whats the MFR date of you XBOX etc) instead of then causing 2 bumps in a thread from the question an subsequent response. A thread would then probably consist of 3 or 4 post max (post #1, offer #1, offer #2, acceptance of an offer), and would make the board run smoother.


in an ideal world I agree

which is why I posted this thread recenty
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/579698/moderator-approving-fs-threads-befo

if that idea was looked at then there were be no need for extra enquiries etc etc,however I can understand the extra work the would be needed

in the short term I think photos need to be made compulsory
#18
awoodhall2003
because that information is relevant to all and is the rules (not just a prerequisite as per the photos, thus should be made in the thread regardless of 'bumping'. Furthermore, many people arent going to make offers without the photos.


It is relevant to all, but surely then it's the OPs fault for not stating all of the relevant info at the point of posting the thread. They can always add to that first post though :)

At the end of the day, if you want a nice, easy, quick sale you should post all of the info in the first post at the point of listing, and pictures straight away in post #2
#19
midlandscomics
It is relevant to all, but surely then it's the OPs fault for not stating all of the relevant info at the point of posting the thread. They can always add to that first post though :)

At the end of the day, if you want a nice, easy, quick sale you should post all of the info in the first post at the point of listing, and pictures straight away in post #2


agreed they could add it to first post, but then the user who asked would be none the wiser, then your going to say they could PM that user, but what about if others were waiting on the answer to dictate their interest?

I completely agree that if its vital to trade then it should be included, which is why it is classed as a bump by the mods. For example if i list a pair of trainers and dont put a size, well that is required for any interest and thus if i answer it it is then a bump. But something like a MFR date on a 360 is not, as it might dictate to some, but not all, and furthermore not everyone knows what a MFR date even is.
#20
awoodhall2003
agreed they could add it to first post, but then the user who asked would be none the wiser, then your going to say they could PM that user, [COLOR="Red"]but what about if others were waiting on the answer to dictate their interest[/COLOR]?

I completely agree that if its vital to trade then it should be included, which is why it is classed as a bump by the mods. For example if i list a pair of trainers and dont put a size, well that is required for any interest and thus if i answer it it is then a bump. But something like a MFR date on a 360 is not, as it might dictate to some, but not all, and furthermore not everyone knows what a MFR date even is.


But the original question would have been sent via PM, and not posted in the thread.

If you're interested in item X but have a question, what's wrong with contacting the seller to get an answer. If someone else then has the same question, they could PM them too. If a third member then has the same question but doesn't send a PM, then surely that's their fault for not asking.

I know it would be a pain for the OP, but then that would be their own fault for not posting enough info when listing the item for sale.
#21
midlandscomics
But the original question would have been sent via PM, and not posted in the thread.

If you're interested in item X but have a question, what's wrong with contacting the seller to get an answer. If someone else then has the same question, they could PM them too. If a third member then has the same question but doesn't send a PM, then surely that's their fault for not asking.

I know it would be a pain for the OP, but then that would be their own fault for not posting enough info when listing the item for sale.


But then this would encourage users to start offering and accepting those offers via PM. That could get very messy.
#22
awoodhall2003
But then this would encourage users to start offering and accepting those offers via PM. That could get very messy.


But no offers would be allowed to be made via PM - as per the rules now. I know that can't be monitored, but at the same time, it can't at the present time either (and we know it happens). There's no way of getting rid of that problem.
#23
midlandscomics
But the original question would have been sent via PM, and not posted in the thread.

If you're interested in item X but have a question, what's wrong with contacting the seller to get an answer. If someone else then has the same question, they could PM them too. If a third member then has the same question but doesn't send a PM, then surely that's their fault for not asking.

I know it would be a pain for the OP, but then that would be their own fault for not posting enough info when listing the item for sale.


Would end up with deals being struck by PM I am afraid
#24
boothy
Would end up with deals being struck by PM I am afraid


No change then :)
banned#25
midlandscomics;7633735
I agree that he's only been trying to help out, but put it this way; what if you listed something for sale, but it was immediately pushed down to the 2nd/3rd page just because someone was posting in every thread asking for the OP in each one to post pics.....

I'll hold my hands up - I've posted in the odd thread here and there before doing the same (and querying stuff which looks suspicious), but now I tend to use the report button.

In my opinion, I think it should be made that you only post in a thread with offers/acceptance of offers. It would stop a lot of unnecessary bumping of threads. I can't even see that there should be a problem if people were asked to PM the seller in each case when they have simple questions (such as "whats the MFR date of you XBOX etc) instead of then causing 2 bumps in a thread from the question an subsequent response. A thread would then probably consist of 3 or 4 post max (post #1, offer #1, offer #2, acceptance of an offer), and would make the board run smoother.



I can agree that all relevent information should be posted in a fs/ft thread before going live along with pictures which Should be compulsory

boothy;7633772
in an ideal world I agree

which is why I posted this thread recenty
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/579698/moderator-approving-fs-threads-befo

if that idea was looked at then there were be no need for extra enquiries etc etc,however I can understand the extra work the would be needed

in the short term I think photos need to be made compulsory


To make that work, would take alot of time, i do think having a few forum helper's who are experienced in dealing in fs/ft would be ideal to help on such a thing.

awoodhall2003;7633832
But then this would encourage users to start offering and accepting those offers via PM. That could get very messy.


Doing anything via pm is a no go zone,

Everything should be done on the thread, Personal detail's exchanged via pm.
#26
thesaint
Then JB would be incorrect.

Like I said, I can distinctly remember another member being told not to do this before.
The rules as quoted by edi are quite clear.

Some threads get taken over by members trying to be a hero, the report button is there for a reason.
Many members will say "I won't help from now on" etc, but they'll be back after a day or two generally.

Good job mods.


FAIL:)

/thread
#27
but never the less that user has only 124 posts which is very few since mar 2008, and more to the point and more importantly what was his feedback?
1?
#28
garbage456
and more to the point the item was £1.50 !!!!!!!!!!!

for someone with 10000 feedback i would of expected a better and more logical response

do you really think he been a member of HOTUK for more than 1 and a half years and done 1 transaction to scam someone out of one pound fifty

LMFAO :p:-D:p:whistling:


Completely agree to be honest, but sometimes people do overlook these things, such as price, we are all only human.

Also I only have 222 feedback. :p

I have dealt and helped out in many sales, and trust me its not always logic that is needed with some people!
#29
awoodhall2003
I agree, but all dj urban does/did was a simple one post normally, not argue with the OP like most do. I remember being told not to do so a long time ago alongside i think it was Adam2050, so we just said we might be interested in the items thus why we posted, and it seemed to go overlooked anyways as it was for the greater good, thus we were fair, not causing harm, and were only helping to reduce the mods workload.


It's against the rules as pointed out correctly by edi.

boothy
in an ideal world I agree

which is why I posted this thread recenty
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/579698/moderator-approving-fs-threads-befo

if that idea was looked at then there were be no need for extra enquiries etc etc,however I can understand the extra work the would be needed

in the short term I think photos need to be made compulsory


Still no response by the moderators? Report your thread just to make sure they've seen it.

dj_urban
I can agree that all relevent information should be posted in a fs/ft thread before going live along with pictures which Should be compulsory


What site has compulsory pictures? I would like to have a look at it to see how it runs in comparison to HUKD's FS/FT forum.
Are we to assume that you have been asked to refrain posting in so many FS/FT threads?
banned#30
garbage456;7634640
i know been done a couple times on ebay



You now realise why i have been posting on some thread's in fsft

Only helping out when i can, Keeping it safe area to deal in,

Also help the newbie's and original members by reminding them of the guidlines and rules on fs/ft

also tbh not everyone follows these, and then ends up posting in misc about being scammed

Like i said in an earlier post, HUKD is a community, which alot or all like to use and enjoy and by helping each other and moderators, Helps keep it a good place to be in. :)
#31
bossyboots
this really is ridiculous

glad DJ Urban is back


+1

ive seen a lot of members flash up warnings about sellers or items and in the end they have been right, reporting a thread sometimes takes ages till its responded to, sometimes its too late

putting off members like this is a bad show imho
banned#32
I have made reports asking for mods to ask for pics, and they have been either ignored or missed, mods either want members to staff the fs boards or they dont, the mods always used to put in each thread about the rules and pics, now they dont, what is the difference between a member asking and a mod
#33
sassie
I have made reports asking for mods to ask for pics, and they have been either ignored or missed, mods either want members to staff the fs boards or they dont, the mods always used to put in each thread about the rules and pics, now they dont, what is the difference between a member asking and a mod


Years ago they used to manually post for members to read the rules(sometimes after the sale has been done and dusted), they have never posted in each thread requesting photos.
banned#34
thesaint;7637382
Years ago they used to manually post for members to read the rules, they have never posted in each thread requesting photos.



Let's not over exaggerate, It was only the new members, and 0 fb member's

A majority of those threads were suss,


I do think the rule's and Guildline's contradict themselve's at times, Esp on this delicate topic
banned#35
thesaint
Years ago they used to manually post for members to read the rules(sometimes after the sale has been done and dusted), they have never posted in each thread requesting photos.


^^true
#36
dj_urban
Let's not over exaggerate, It was only the new members, and 0 fb member's

A majority of those threads were suss,



Exaggerate what?
They didn't even read the thread half the time to see who posted it. :?
banned#37
thesaint;7637429
Exaggerate what?
They didn't even read the thread half the time to see who posted it. :?


re-read your post thought you meant me lol
banned#38
thesaint
Years ago they used to manually post for members to read the rules(sometimes after the sale has been done and dusted), they have never posted in each thread requesting photos.


ODB_69
^^true


the ones i remember used to ask for pics :? Maybe this was only done one certain threads or by certain mods then, but i had seen it from when they used to add what they put in most threads
banned#39
mods conflict all the time



yonks back got an infraction for something another mod ok'd...
#40
sassie
the ones i remember used to ask for pics :? Maybe this was only done one certain threads or by certain mods then, but i had seen it from when they used to add what they put in most threads


like this you mean,pics were asked for
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/82363/fs-k800i-bundle-wii-games-dvd-s

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