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#1
It sounds like you have found an inconsistency?

I would guess it would be last post on the thread. The OP would have to have the thread closed in order to list a new thread anyway, otherwise they would have the same item available in two threads.
banned#2
well from what i have seen over the last 48 hours it seems to depend on who you are, and sorry to say that mods but either you lot are confused to as what the criteria is or like i said it depends on who it is, and i could bet my better dollar that im now gonna hear " at our discretion" (however the hell you spell it)
#3
sassie
well from what i have seen over the last 48 hours it seems to depend on who you are, and sorry to say that mods but either you lot are confused to as what the criteria is or like i said it depends on who it is, and i could bet my better dollar that im now gonna hear " at our discretion" (however the hell you spell it)


I would also say it is at their discretion, as is everything on this site.

If you removed discretion, then you would have people complaining(rightly) for the wrong application of this rule.

Nothing in 'real life' is this rigid, so why the internet?
banned#4
thesaint
I would also say it is at their discretion, as is everything on this site.

If you removed discretion, then you would have people complaining(rightly) for the wrong application of this rule.

Nothing in 'real life' is this rigid, so why the internet?


thats not called diiscretion
#5
sassie
thats not called diiscretion


What isn't? :thinking:
banned#6
thesaint
What isn't? :thinking:


you know exactly what isnt, so not gonna bother going down that road, would have just liked an answer but with hindsight i know the answer to my post now:thumbsup:
#7
sassie
you know exactly what isnt, so not gonna bother going down that road, would have just liked an answer but with hindsight i know the answer to my post now:thumbsup:


It would be good to get an answer. I'm all for the rules and regulations, to make things run more smoothly, etc. but unless people have clear guidelines, it seems unfair to then punish them for someting that hasn't been clearly defined.
banned#8
nightswimmer
It would be good to get an answer. I'm all for the rules and regulations, to make things run more smoothly, etc. but unless people have clear guidelines, it seems unfair to then punish them for someting that hasn't been clearly defined.


nothing is clearly defined, even the rules, as its at the discretion of the team
#9
Can a mod/Admin/anyone explain post #5, I think I have entered some magical mystical riddle thread that I know the answer to, without knowing the answer to it. :?
banned#10
thesaint
Can a mod/Admin/anyone explain post #5, I think I have entered some magical mystical riddle thread that I know the answer to, without knowing the answer to it. :?


stop being a plonk, if a newbie signs up and on post 1 breaks a rule and is banned then another newbie signs up and breaks the same rule on post 1and is not banned what do you call it?
#11
sassie
stop being a plonk, if a newbie signs up and on post 1 breaks a rule and is banned then another newbie signs up and breaks the same rule on post 1and is not banned what do you call it?


It's called "Discretion", but you said it's not called discretion in post #5.
banned#12
thesaint
It's called "Discretion", but you said it's not called discretion in post #5.


fine you call it discretion, i call it depends what day of the week it is, or can i be bothered today, or this is the third one today so its a ban, or im feeling in a grand mood today, etc, etc, etc

If everything on this site is at the discretion of moderators what the hell is the point in having any rules, aha stoopid me, without the rules the mods wouldnt have any discretion, oh my how could i have been so stoopid
#13
thesaint
It's called "Discretion", but you said it's not called discretion in post #5.


Discreton is, I believe, the freedom to make judgments or decisions. If two events are the same, yet after consideration of the rules, recieve different treatment, then that implies either there is a problem with the rules, or a problem with the consistency of the decision making. If there is a problem with the rules, then they need to be changed. If there is a problem with consitsent decision making, then it calls into question the purpose of having rules in the first place. Either way, it isn't good and will make people using the site uneasy.
banned#14
nightswimmer
Discreton is, I believe, the freedom to make judgments or decisions. If two events are the same, yet after consideration of the rules, recieve different treatment, then that implies either there is a problem with the rules, or a problem with the consistency of the decision making. If there is a problem with the rules, then they need to be changed. If there is a problem with consitsent decision making, then it calls into question the purpose of having rules in the first place, and will make people using the site uneasy. Either way, it isn't good.



exactly what i was trying to say but but i couldnt get that forst sentance to sound right:oops::thumbsup:
#15
nightswimmer
Discreton is, I believe, the freedom to make judgments or decisions. If two events are the same, yet after consideration of the rules, recieve different treatment, then that implies either there is a problem with the rules, or a problem with the consistency of the decision making. If there is a problem with the rules, then they need to be changed. If there is a problem with consitsent decision making, then it calls into question the purpose of having rules in the first place. Either way, it isn't good and will make people using the site uneasy.


No two events are the same.
No rules are without problems.
No decision making is consistent.

Can you name any part of life where humans are involved that discretion isn't used?
#16
thesaint
No two events are the same.


In the example given, they were similar enough to warrant a consistent outcome when judged against the same set of rules.

No rules are without problems.


True, which is why you have a feedback forum, so the people who have to abide by those rules can point out when they don't make sense, are inconsistent. or do not give all the guidance/information that is needed in order to abide by them. :)

No decision making is consistent.


Really? So if you stand on the edge of a cliff and I tell you a hundred times to jump, you won't make a consitent decision not to? :p

Can you name any part of life where humans are involved that discretion isn't used?


Yes, my Dad gets bad wind after eating sprouts, and when he does, he never shows any discretion! :w00t::oops:
#17
There are certainly different severities of rule breaking - for example, not posting a price in OP or saying 'PM me' is not really worth banning someone for - although failure to comply with a moderators request to read the FS rules and refusing to give a price would be. No two cases will ever be 100% the same (if they were it would be a case of duplicate accounts - big ban!) and so its always going to be hard to have 100% consistency amongst the decision making.

If something happens like Sassie put in #11 its not the end of the world - one member will have been slapped on the wrist with a temporary ban to give them chance to refresh themselves of the rules, the other will have got away with a 'yellow card' - don't go thinking it would be different with a more stringent, complicated ruleset. The police have a lot of rules and still use discretion; football referees are the same. Its always going to be the cause for some frustration as it doesn't appear 100% fair and consistent, but nothing ever will...

The answer to the question originally posted should be "after last post by op" but really the op should state in this post that they are closing the thread and expire the thread...
banned#18
jah128


The answer to the question originally posted should be "after last post by op" but really the op should state in this post that they are closing the thread and expire the thread...


Yes, this is what i assumed, but have seen this was not the case on a thread so thought i would ask for clarification, im sure when they have discussed and decided they will get back to us -lol
#19
I see, sounds like you've raised a good point then, that one should be cleared up. I'm all for giving the FS/FT rules another good rewrite and tidy-up to perhaps give the mods and people who report some more definative directions, but I think the mod's 'discretion' is a different issue and will and should remain.
#20
jah128
but I think the mod's 'discretion' is a different issue and will and should remain.


Absolutely, I don't think anyone objects to the Mods having discretion, however, the original purpose of the thread was to get a rule clarified.
#21
:oops: Sorry, were going round in circles and all saying the same thing about nothing and I'm not helping :-D

Yes, please clarify the rule in the OP :thumbsup:
#22
nightswimmer
Absolutely, I don't think anyone objects to the Mods having discretion, however, the original purpose of the thread was to get a rule clarified.


jah128
:oops: Sorry, were going round in circles and all saying the same thing about nothing and I'm not helping :-D

Yes, please clarify the rule in the OP :thumbsup:


The rule is:

(19) If a thread is closed or removed from the FS forum at any time, the same items or thread will not be allowed back until at least a period of one week has passed.


It seems to be pretty easy to understand to me.



It appears sassie has obviously found a thread where this has not happened, and wanted a mod to quote this rule, sassie would then give a link to where this hasn't happened.

The mod would then give their reason, sassie would say "Why do we bother"(With a pair of rolling eyes) and life would go on. :)
banned#23
thesaint, why do you have a problem with me asking a simple question, you know your one that goes round quoting the rules, well im one that goes round quoting the rules and likes to actually know them
#25


JB used her discretion, I don't know what warranted this action, as I believe the OP should've carried on with the original thread, He said that it "Was lost in the sea of deals", it seems like he doesn't know how to bump his thread?

I think it would be better if you PM'ed JB to ask and post this thread if you weren't happy with the response, or received no response.

By posting this thread, it only seems like you were trying to catch her a mod out(to me).
banned#26
thesaint
JB used her discretion, I don't know what warranted this action, as I believe the OP should've carried on with the original thread, He said that it "Was lost in the sea of deals", it seems like he doesn't know how to bump his thread?

I think it would be better if you PM'ed JB to ask and post this thread if you weren't happy with the response, or received no response.

By posting this thread, it only seems like you were trying to catch her a mod out(to me).


i posted this thread yesterday you doughnut:roll:
#27
sassie
i posted this thread yesterday you doughnut:roll:


Yes, I know.

I put "Her" and "A mod" when I only meant "A mod".
#28
thesaint
It seems to be pretty easy to understand to me.


Really? So why did you say yesterday:

"It sounds like you have found an inconsistency?

I would guess it would be last post on the thread. "

If it is pretty easy to understand, why are you guessing? Why don't you know for certain?

That be'eth the problem. :-)


It appears sassie has obviously found a thread where this has not happened, and wanted a mod to quote this rule, sassie would then give a link to where this hasn't happened.

The mod would then give their reason, sassie would say "Why do we bother"(With a pair of rolling eyes) and life would go on. :)


And you would be your normal pedantic self, and take the thread off course, to the point where the original question gets lost in circles of pedantry and stuburness and semantics by all parties. :p And life would go on :-D but the question wouldn't get answered. :x
#29
^^^

I have since quoted the rule, yesterday I didn't look. I don't know the rules off by heart, so that's why "I guessed". I dare say the mods, and Admin still look at them.


And you would be your normal pedantic self, and take the thread off course, to the point where the original question gets lost in circles of pedantry and stuburness and semantics by all parties.


Okay.
banned#30
thesaint
JB used her discretion, I don't know what warranted this action, as I believe the OP should've carried on with the original thread, He said that it "Was lost in the sea of deals", it seems like he doesn't know how to bump his thread?

I think it would be better if you PM'ed JB to ask and post this thread if you weren't happy with the response, or received no response.

By posting this thread, it only seems like you were trying to catch her a mod out(to me).


thesaint
Yes, I know.

I put "Her" and "A mod" when I only meant "A mod".


thesaint
^^^

I have since quoted the rule, yesterday I didn't look. I don't know the rules off by heart, so that's why "I guessed". I dare say the mods, and Admin still look at them.




Okay.


the saint i am aware of the rule, jeeze i quote it enough, i merley asked a week from when, and as you cant answer this then maybe you should also want to know the answer as you happily quote the rules too
#31
thesaint
I have since quoted the rule, yesterday I didn't look. I don't know the rules off by heart, so that's why "I guessed".

So now having read the rules, and found it pretty easy to understand, perhaps you can answer Sassie's original question?

"Is this rule from when the thread was posted? expired? last post? last post by op? when op asked for closure?"

Cos I must be thick, as I can't tell what the answer is either. :oops:
#32
nightswimmer
So now having read the rules, and found it pretty easy to understand, perhaps you can answer Sassie's original question?

"Is this rule from when the thread was posted? expired? last post? last post by op? when op asked for closure?"

Cos I must be thick, as I can't tell what the answer is either. :oops:



(19) If a thread is closed or removed from the FS forum at any time, the same items or thread will not be allowed back until at least a period of one week has passed.


An "event" must happen to invoke this rule, the "event" is thread "Closure" or "Removal".

If neither of these things happen, then the item would be available in 2+ threads, which falls foul of a different rule.

If you want answers to the "Nth" degree, try elsewhere, because it will NEVER happen here.

Mods discretion is law. :)
banned#33
If neither of these things happen, then the item would be available in 2+ threads, which falls foul of a different rule.

what rule is that?
#34
sassie

what rule is that?


6. Repeatedly creating new threads for the same items
banned#35
repeatingly - does that constitute posting a thread twice, threee, four times -lol

maybe "unless you have pm'd a mod" should be added to that one
#36
sassie
repeatingly - does that constitute posting a thread twice, threee, four times -lol

maybe "unless you have pm'd a mod" should be added to that one


In laymans terms(Possibly the dictionary as well) repeatedly means more than once.
banned#37
thesaint
In laymans terms(Possibly the dictionary as well) repeatedly means more than once.


this aint laymans or a dictionary its HUKD - lol
#38
thesaint
If you want answers to the "Nth" degree, try elsewhere, because it will NEVER happen here.


I don't want an answer to the Nth Degree, I would just like clarification. If it is as simple and as straight forward as you seem to think it is, then a quick "From the time the thread is actually closed or removed." would clear it up in an instance.

But without that clarification, combined with apparently an inconsistent implimentation of the rule, it leaves an uncertainty. And as breaking the FS/FT rules is potentially a bannable offense, there shouldn't be uncertainty.

And thus we go back round the circle. :o
banned#39
I take it we are not going to get an answer on this one, amazing its in the feedback thread and not one response from one of the team
#40
I am interested to know this too.
If for example I expire a thread today and the last post on that thread was over a week ago, can I re-list just after I've expired the thread? or do I have to wait for a week after I have expired the thread.
Basically is the one week rule, one week after last post and as long as the previous thread has been expired? or hard and fast rule that you can't re-list until 7 days after expiry?
I have already pmd a mod asking this but didn't get an explanation in my reply.

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