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#1
The moral of this story is; Take the money and run
#2
Fully Agree mate well said
#3
Fully agree with you, they were only saying thankyou

Do I have to declare all my clubcard points?
#4
stick it to the man!
banned#5
Original thread:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261266



What I said:

surely as this was not expected and is a gift from another member this can be let off?! as Hollypinder says she hasn't even accepted it. She has been posting deals for this company for donkeys and surely this just shows the success of this site?

To me thats almost like punishing her for doing a good job!

Seems this offer was a gift to me rather than a payment too http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif
in this case it would be unfair to punish Holly and I think she should accept and be allowed to still post deals...this was a gift to say thank you not a payment and I think it is a testiment to the sites success
#6
Moral of the story seems to be St. Fu !!
#7
The2020
The moral of this story is; Take the money and run


Yep and dont say a word!!

potterbell
Fully Agree mate well said


Thanks.

Mijooly
Fully agree with you, they were only saying thankyou

Do I have to declare all my clubcard points?


Well if you do, then dont expect to be allowed to post tesco deals in the future. lol.
Thats what i thought its not like i was getting a % of sales like HUKD do so whats the problem? I dont know!! Thanks.

catinthehat
stick it to the man!


What man??

ODB_69
Original thread:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261266



What I said:

surely as this was not expected and is a gift from another member this can be let off?! as Hollypinder says she hasn't even accepted it. She has been posting deals for this company for donkeys and surely this just shows the success of this site?

To me thats almost like punishing her for doing a good job!

Seems this offer was a gift to me rather than a payment too http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif
in this case it would be unfair to punish Holly and I think she should accept and be allowed to still post deals...this was a gift to say thank you not a payment and I think it is a testiment to the sites success


Thanks ODB.
#8
kyalion
Moral of the story seems to be St. Fu !!


huh??
#9
hollypinder


What man??



y'know...the man!
#10
catinthehat
y'know...the man!


what man?
#11
The *man*!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man

Talk about bite the hand that feeds them. Without user contribution, this site would be nothing. My advice is to stop posting offers, if this is the way you get treated for doing as such.
[helper]#12
hollypinder
Then two members decide to state that i should now be banned from adding lovehoney offers as i am now financially linked to them.


If you are referring to myself and IOM perhaps you should calm down a bit and re-read both our posts - neither of us mentioned being banned. You should also read the thread in feedback posted by Admin about self promotion and you will have better understanding of the position the mods and admin are in....
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/242324/a-note-on-self-promotion-online-or-/
#13
Well accept the offer and put on a competition to win the £50 worth of goods. Giving it back to the people on the site and not the poster.
#14
brb reading thead
#15
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1995/gladje4af0.gif
#16
Xb0xGuru
The *man*!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man

Talk about bite the hand that feeds them. Without user contribution, this site would be nothing. My advice is to stop posting offers, if this is the way you get treated for doing as such.


yeah! *the man*
banned#17
Look, I tend to agree with the mods here, but I do understand why you feel a bit annoyed.

However, to be fair, you edited your original post (in the other thread). The first version you ended with "Now... how to spend £50" . So clearly you were planning to accept it, and we/the mods only have your word that you haven't.

I don't think the mods had any other response, however unfair that may or may not be.

Surely you understand that you have at the very least put them in a very awkward position?
#18
buy yourself something nice hols

what i cant get my head round is......................... (hope i wont get into trouble for saying this)

hukd relies a lot on us the members for putting deals on - do they get a % from companies when we go through their link? (like quidco) not sure but if they do they are quids in anyway

its a shame for hollypinder as its taken the shine off her - she only posted cos she was so happy -
banned#19
holly100;3245550
hukd relies a lot on us the members for putting deals on - do they get a % from companies when we go through their link? (like quidco) not sure but if they do they are quids in anyway

yh thats how the site is financed...there have been posts asking the same thing and responses from mods etc

End of the day HUKD isnt non profit, it is a business
#20
How pathetic it was a thank you gift not a payment arranged before the thread was posted.
#21
Xb0xGuru
The *man*!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man

Talk about bite the hand that feeds them. Without user contribution, this site would be nothing. My advice is to stop posting offers, if this is the way you get treated for doing as such.


Yeh but thats the problem they dont care about the majority of users!! Its ridiculous!!

gari189
If you are referring to myself and IOM perhaps you should calm down a bit and re-read both our posts - neither of us mentioned being banned. You should also read the thread in feedback posted by Admin about self promotion and you will have better understanding of the position the mods and admin are in....


I dont need to calm down thank-you. I am very calm, it just annoys me that members have to initiate problems. That is half of all the problems on here, people have to stick their oar in on everything, its sad and jealousy!!

GAVINLEWISHUKD
Well accept the offer and put on a competition to win the £50 worth of goods. Giving it back to the people on the site and not the poster.


No, because if i do that then i am accepting the offer. The reason i am not accepting the offer yet is because i am going to be appealing this when rayman bothers to reply to my message about who i need to contact to do this.
He replied to 2 of my pms then when i asked him who i need to contact to appeal this he is now ignoring me!! I am not leaving this, i am going to keep fighting it!!

catinthehat
yeah! *the man*


lol. ok!!

black gerbil1
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1995/gladje4af0.gif


Right....................
banned#22
I do see that its a difficult area. Someone mentioned a morrisons manager in the other thread. I'm not sure what that was connected with, but I know the Morrisons £15 games deal was provided by a morrisons manager too... should that have not been posted?

I know its upsetting, and a little bit of a grey area, but I don't see HUKDs have a choice now.... whether you accepted it or not.... It's difficult to believe you turned down £50. £50 versus not being able to post on a forum... I'd take the money! Either way, the grey area has been created, and I think its a bit unfair to slate the mods on this. Like I said in my earlier post - at first you said you were accepting the £50, and you must admit you have made life difficult for the mods here.
[helper]#23
Iom-RF
its good but don't shout it from the roof tops hun, as it sort of makes you an accessory (for want of a better word) to that site as you got money for refferals (indirectly if you understand me), meaning any future deals you post might get removed (might).

Nice of them though.


gari189
IOM is right Holly - if you intend to post anymore Love Honey deals you had best check with a mod first......otherwise you can be accused of gaining financially. HDUK are very sensitive about this - look at the thread in feedback about a manager from Morrisons.....


So Holly - point out where myself or IOM say you should be banned?
banned#24
hollypinder

No, because if i do that then i am accepting the offer. The reason i am not accepting the offer yet is because i am going to be appealing this when rayman bothers to reply to my message about who i need to contact to do this.
He replied to 2 of my pms then when i asked him who i need to contact to appeal this he is now ignoring me!! I am not leaving this, i am going to keep fighting it!!
.


Holly are you seriously saying you cannot see any reason why this might have become an awkward situation?
#25
I don't see the problem.

Whether you accept financial compensation for advertising a site or not, it doesn't deter from the fact the entire community get to decide its fate. If it's not a good deal to begin with, it's colder than a snowman's testicles and gets buried because of it. If it *is* a good deal, everyone benefits from the information.

If anyone has a problem with this, why didn't *they* submit offers from this site? Personally, if this is an incentive for people to go trawling through smaller websites looking for bargains, I'm all for it. After all, isn't this what this site's about: posting unknown deals?
[admin]#26
Just a minute.

I don't think it's you hollypinder as much as it's Love Honey. If we found out any merchant was paying off members for posting we'd act pretty quick.

When you read a deal posted by a member you presume it is posted because they think it's worth sharing not because they are getting paid to do it. That's the difference.
#27
admin etc probably took the hump as they don't have a link with lovehoney and wouldn't recieve any cash from click throughs. hence the problems in the past you had with posting the deals. Now this just gave them an excuse to stop you postiing deals and collect the cash from the adult sites that give them more of a kick back.

I'm being cynical but as has been pointed out this site isn't here for the good of its health it is a business after all..
banned#28
Admin;3245675
Just a minute.

I don't think it's you hollypinder as much as it's Love Honey. If we found out any merchant was paying off members for posting we'd act pretty quick.


therefore can Holly accept and carry on as before? seems harsh to punish a member for doing what this sites intended for and as you say its the merchant here who is not abiding to the rules


Out of interest is this situation in the rules? Not sure as I havent gone through em all?!
#29
vibeone
Look, I tend to agree with the mods here, but I do understand why you feel a bit annoyed.

However, to be fair, you edited your original post (in the other thread). The first version you ended with "Now... how to spend £50" . So clearly you were planning to accept it, and we/the mods only have your word that you haven't.

I don't think the mods had any other response, however unfair that may or may not be.

Surely you understand that you have at the very least put them in a very awkward position?


Yes i did edit it as that was a joke, then i realised some mods and members dont have a sense of humour and wouldnt get it so i edited it.
However, before i did edit it, i posted twice in the thread saying i hadnt accepted it and i can proove this with my pms. I replied to the guy from love honey before i posted the thread explaining i didnt want to accept it as i hadnt posted the deal for that. I will happily proove this to any mods. I HAVE PUT THEM IN A DIFFICULT POSITION??
How exactly as i havent done anything. They get a % of sales from this site which if anything like quidco is 16% of sales which means their profit from me posting that deal was probably quite a lot. If the lovehoney guy was offering £50 worth of goods to me and the original thread got over 1800 degrees and is one of hottest ever, Im guessing that quite a lot of people ordered and HUKD probably made a fair bit on it so dont tell me that i put them in a difficult situation. Thank-you.

holly100
buy yourself something nice hols

what i cant get my head round is......................... (hope i wont get into trouble for saying this)

hukd relies a lot on us the members for putting deals on - do they get a % from companies when we go through their link? (like quidco) not sure but if they do they are quids in anyway

its a shame for hollypinder as its taken the shine off her - she only posted cos she was so happy -


You probably will get in trouble for it as anyone that dares speak their opinion (if its not what other like) will get in trouble but thanks for posting but i wont be spending the £50 worth of goodies out of principal and i wil be fighting this when the mods or admin bother to reply!! Thanks,

ODB_69
yh thats how the site is financed...there have been posts asking the same thing and responses from mods etc

End of the day HUKD isnt non profit, it is a business


Exactly, so they make money from all of us but when one of us is offered a GIFT then its frowned upon.
Im sure if one of the mods posted a deal and got offered something from the retailer they wouldnt accept.
More like they would accept it and keep their mouths shut and laugh.

dmissy13
How pathetic it was a thank you gift not a payment arranged before the thread was posted.


Exactly my point...... Thank-you

jellybaby22
doesnt sound fair to me...they only gave you the offer of money after you posted the deals...and Im sure you said you havent accepted the money..so I dont see the problem really...although maybe in future..dont make a thread telling everyone..:giggle: keep it to yourself.....


Thanks, they didnt offer me money though, they offered me some free goods to say thank-you.
I am not in business with lovehoney as some people seem to think.
I dont regret making the thread telling people that for once a retailer has had the gracious to thank a member for their input in making that company money, rather than just paying HUKD the % of sales and leaving it there. With no thanks to the member.
[admin]#30
This isn't an issue of HUKD making money or not. We make money on the Lovehoney deal therefore we should want to perpetuate any postings according to that theory. What do we care if they pay off members.

The point is we can't have merchants paying off members to post.

I've got no grey area or uncertainty about that situation - the recommendations on deals should be based on real opinion and not because you are getting paid off.

I understand it's a sensitive issue hollypinder but the appropriate thing to have done and avoid this would have been to contact a mod as soon as you go the offer from them. Then we would have known there was not an issue here.
#31
Basically it's double standards. Everybody loves the hot deals that are posted and so what if he got rewarded after it? Who gets to decide what is right and wrong and so what if he does get a reward for it? He's just another one to benefit from a good deal (albeit in a different way) but what about the people who lose out to a good deal from greedy people? Such as those who post things like:
"grabbed 10 of these at this price"
"Ebay here i come! What a profit i'll make!"
Etc, Etc.
Where does the line get drawn?
There is so much rubbish posted on this site at times, that it sometimes feels harder to find a good deal, rather than listen to tat!! Basically people are getting slated for posting deals on ths site so if the OP keeps deals to himself and if everyone follows suit, what happens to the site? A bit of leeway wouldn't go amiss, after all, he didn't have to say anything in the first place.
I will now climb off my soapbox.
:whistling:
banned#32
hollypinder
Yes i did edit it as that was a joke, then i realised some mods and members dont have a sense of humour and wouldnt get it so i edited it.
However, before i did edit it, i posted twice in the thread saying i hadnt accepted it and i can proove this with my pms. I replied to the guy from love honey before i posted the thread explaining i didnt want to accept it as i hadnt posted the deal for that. I will happily proove this to any mods. I HAVE PUT THEM IN A DIFFICULT POSITION??
How exactly as i havent done anything. They get a % of sales from this site which if anything like quidco is 16% of sales which means their profit from me posting that deal was probably quite a lot. If the lovehoney guy was offering £50 worth of goods to me and the original thread got over 1800 degrees and is one of hottest ever, Im guessing that quite a lot of people ordered and HUKD probably made a fair bit on it so dont tell me that i put them in a difficult situation. Thank-you.


Oh jesus... if you can't see how you've put the mods and admin in a difficult position, there is no point in continuing trying to make you see. It's blatantly obviously that whether you are allowed to keep posting the deals or not, you made it VERY awkward for them.

I feel sorry for the mods and admins who are getting abused for basically sticking to the rules. There can't be any let offs or dubious decisions with something like this - HUKDs works because its not full of **** deals. If it was, dixons and the like would no doubt come and post about every 10p they knock off their prices. I'm not suggesting this situation is the same, but it is why the rules are so set in stone.

Oh and for the record, I don't believe you turned down the £50, but thats personal opinion I guess.

EDIT: Sorry if you find that last bit offensive - but it makes a clear point - some will believe you, some won't - and it sets a precedent for future similar issues.
#33
vibeone
I do see that its a difficult area. Someone mentioned a morrisons manager in the other thread. I'm not sure what that was connected with, but I know the Morrisons £15 games deal was provided by a morrisons manager too... should that have not been posted?

I know its upsetting, and a little bit of a grey area, but I don't see HUKDs have a choice now.... whether you accepted it or not.... It's difficult to believe you turned down £50. £50 versus not being able to post on a forum... I'd take the money! Either way, the grey area has been created, and I think its a bit unfair to slate the mods on this. Like I said in my earlier post - at first you said you were accepting the £50, and you must admit you have made life difficult for the mods here.


I understand where you are coming from but firstly i never said i was accepting the deal, i made a joke remark saying what shall i spend the money on (JOKING) then realised a lot of people dont have a sense of humore so removed that part. I have my Pms to prove i wasnt accepting the gift and Admin can see those messages. Thanks.

vibeone
Holly are you seriously saying you cannot see any reason why this might have become an awkward situation?


No i cant. I cant see the problem with retailers saying thank-you. in whichever way this was by.
I had previous posted a thread explaining that one of the founders of love honey had sent me a thanks but as i quoted what the man worte in his PM to me, the thread got removed.
So i posted to explain they were a good personal company then, when no money or gift was offered.
Thanks.

Xb0xGuru
I don't see the problem.

Whether you accept financial compensation for advertising a site or not, it doesn't deter from the fact the entire community get to decide its fate. If it's not a good deal to begin with, it's colder than a snowman's testicles and gets buried because of it. If it *is* a good deal, everyone benefits from the information.

If anyone has a problem with this, why didn't *they* submit offers from this site? Personally, if this is an incentive for people to go trawling through smaller websites looking for bargains, I'm all for it. After all, isn't this what this site's about: posting unknown deals?


Exactly what i thought, but obviously not!!

Admin
Just a minute.

I don't think it's you hollypinder as much as it's Love Honey. If we found out any merchant was paying off members for posting we'd act pretty quick.

When you read a deal posted by a member you presume it is posted because they think it's worth sharing not because they are getting paid to do it. That's the difference.


But i want getting paid to post the deal. After i posted a few deals, they sent me a thank-you. then sent me another message saying thank-you and you are welcome to £50 worth of good as a goodwill THANK-YOU!!
I do not need to get paid to add deals on here. I posted a few deals from lovehoney before.
I didnt even realise that one of the founders was a member til i got a thank-you PM as he is a member here and saw my post.
I think the real reason here is if its true that you are not getting a % of sales from lovehoney, you are peeved that as a business they arent rewarding you but are saying thank-you to certain members.
Well with that attitude, Im not suprised they dont give you a % as surely you are a company and your customer service to this other company isnt very good is it?

ants97
admin etc probably took the hump as they don't have a link with lovehoney and wouldn't recieve any cash from click throughs. hence the problems in the past you had with posting the deals. Now this just gave them an excuse to stop you postiing deals and collect the cash from the adult sites that give them more of a kick back.

I'm being cynical but as has been pointed out this site isn't here for the good of its health it is a business after all..


Maybe thats true. But i would of thought lovehoney would give them a percentage and probably quite high if they do as its 16% on quidco and that has dropped as it was more before!!

ODB_69
therefore can Holly accept and carry on as before? seems harsh to punish a member for doing what this sites intended for and as you say its the merchant here who is not abiding to the rules


Out of interest is this situation in the rules? Not sure as I havent gone through em all?!


I have never seen this in the rules but i have not read them all so maybe it is.
It seems to me that as i have commented back to HUKD they are now blaming the merchant.
But if the merchant was on their link list and HUKD got a % of lovehoney sales, i can bet my life they wouldnt commenting on the company it the above way!!
banned#34
I think people need to back up a little here....



Hollypinder posted some deals....she gets a PM offering her £50 worth of stuff...so far she's declined it


What has she ACTUALLY done wrong? WHY has she put anyone in a difficult position? at the end of the day as Admin has said its not her fault its the merchant who has made this offer and therefore the responsibility and blame lies with them...


yet people are having a go at Holly for what were supposed to do on this site...POST DEALS!
banned#35
Personally, if you had been paid/offered gifts and carried on posting... you should be banned. However, there is nothing to suggest you have.

The admin isn't saying you posted deals because you were getting gifts. But if you post deals from now on, you may well be posting them in exchange for, or under the impression that you will receive gifts.

Therefore it seems appropriate, although a shame - because I do believe that you didn't mean to cause this fuss - for you to not post the deals. Nothign to stop you letting someone else post for you.
banned#36
A company has paid you after posting a deal, now how do you expect the team to differentiate (sp) between a company offering an incentive to someone to post or offereing an incentive after they have posted, what the company has done here is worse thean an employee posting really, an employee gets nothing for posting a deal, you have

You have to respect admins ways, whether you approve of them or not, something i took head off a while ago - lol
banned#37
ODB_69
I think people need to back up a little here....



Hollypinder posted some deals....she gets a PM offering her £50 worth of stuff...so far she's declined it


What has she ACTUALLY done wrong? WHY has she put anyone in a difficult position? at the end of the day as Admin has said its not her fault its the merchant who has made this offer and therefore the responsibility and blame lies with them...


yet people are having a go at Holly for what were supposed to do on this site...POST DEALS!

I'm only having a go at holly for not seeing why this is a awkward position for the management. I agree the company should be banned for a short term as well, as it discredits the site, and holly specifically, and unfairly.

like I said, I don't think she meant to cause such fuss, but its happened, and I see why she should stop posting the deals.

I'm having real trouble accepting that the £50 wasn't taken. I don't mean to be offensive, but thats how i feel. I love you HUKDers, but give me £50 over the ability to post a deal for a specific company anyday! :)
banned#38
vibeone;3245845
Personally, if you had been paid/offered gifts and carried on posting... you should be banned. However, there is nothing to suggest you have.

The admin isn't saying you posted deals because you were getting gifts. But if you post deals from now on, you may well be posting them in exchange for, or under the impression that you will receive gifts.



how can you say that when no gifts have been received OR accepted and Holly has already stated she has so far refused cause she didnt post the deal for that reason

sassie;3245849
A company has paid you after posting a deal, now how do you axpect the team to differentiate (sp) between a company offering an incentive to someone to post or offereing an incentive after they have posted, what the company has done here is worse thean an employee posting really, an employee gets nothing for posting a deal, you have

offered...not paid...
banned#39
sassie
A company has paid you after posting a deal, now how do you expect the team to differentiate (sp) between a company offering an incentive to someone to post or offereing an incentive after they have posted, what the company has done here is worse thean an employee posting really, an employee gets nothing for posting a deal, you have

You have to respect admins ways, whether you approve of them or not, something i took head off a while ago - lol

Thats basically the point I was trying to make (badly).

Holly/ODB/people AGAINST this decision... Where would you draw the line? (serious question - I'm interested)
banned#40
ODB_69
how can you say that when no gifts have been received OR accepted and Holly has already stated she has so far refused cause she didnt post the deal for that reason


Simple answer: Because there is enough doubt.

Personally I'd have kept quiet and took the £50!

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