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1 Like #1
how do you know a few people arent immediately voting it cold because they dont think its a good deal? how exactly can you tell they are only voting cold because someone else did?
#2
Agreed this is a problem, not sure if i agree with the solution.
I can't think of anything better though, other than maybe lowering/suspending the voting powers of those proven to be idiots when it comes to voting.

But then that's another kettle of fish... and subjective... etc.

Edited By: Eldini on Jan 28, 2011 19:11
3 Likes #3
I have never made any sense of the voting... some just enjoy voting stuff cold even when it is a good deal.... dont bother trying to make sense of it.

Just list a deal and hope it helps someone
[helper] 1 Like #4
mosskeeto
I have never made any sense of the voting... some just enjoy voting stuff cold even when it is a good deal.... dont bother trying to make sense of it.Just list a deal and hope it helps someone
Sums up things nicely. There are many reasons why people vote hot or cold and most of them have nothing to do with how good the deal is......
#5
barky
how do you know a few people arent immediately voting it cold because they dont think its a good deal? how exactly can you tell they are only voting cold because someone else did?

Because some deals are clearly good deals- also by this comment your probably the sort of person I am on about in this thread who just likes to vote cold
#6
Honestly I think the reverse of this issue is probably more accurate; people blindly voting the hot (ie front-page) deals hotter without weighing up their merits, reckon it happens a lot more that cold deals being made colder...
#7
jah128
Honestly I think the reverse of this issue is probably more accurate; people blindly voting the hot (ie front-page) deals hotter without weighing up their merits, reckon it happens a lot more that cold deals being made colder...

Well, conclusion= temperature means nothing pointless it's even being there let's scrap it!!!! :D
P.s. I'm being sarcastic just in case ;)
1 Like #8
jah128
Honestly I think the reverse of this issue is probably more accurate; people blindly voting the hot (ie front-page) deals hotter without weighing up their merits, reckon it happens a lot more that cold deals being made colder...

Agree 100% the amount of red hot deals, where one person has seen one item in one store in one city in one....... well, you get my drift.
It's annoying.
#9
Pretty much all the above points, including the OP, could easily be true and I have , I think , watched whilst the members exert their voting rights to all those ends.

I would say IMO that the outcomes are sometimes to the greater good and sometimes not.

I have wondered increasingly over the past year or so, what the point of the heat system is. I suppose that it is to 'involve' members and in that, I think , it is probably successful. Whether it bring the best deals etc to the fore is much more tendacious.

Perhaps Admin could reveal their innermost thoughts to us.

Overall I agree with Mosskeeto that I have never made any sense of the voting system.

I do, however, still feel a frisson of irritation when I post a stonking deal and someone votes for a decrease in temp.
#10
this is even more of a non issue than people voting cold for no reason
stupid voting cancels out and if a deal was already hot then a few more wont hurt
there is no iq test before joining so what do you expect?
#11
brilly
this is even more of a non issue than people voting cold for no reason
stupid voting cancels out and if a deal was already hot then a few more wont hurt
there is no iq test before joining so what do you expect?


I agree it doesnt really matter if a deal has already passed the "hot" barrier.
The trouble is the number of good deals that get plunged almost instantly into the -20 region and never look back.
I normally only skim the Hot page, because there's too many deals to browse everything on the site.
But whenever i do take a look at the "New" pages there's at least a couple of legitimate good deals that are struggling in negative figures.

The trouble with this is many people get put off posting new deals. I know most of the time i normally wait for someone else to post good deals that i see, because the hassle of writing up a post only for it to go cold instantly is irritating and makes it not worth the effort.
Sometimes someone else does post the deal, a lot of the time they don't.

It makes it even more annoying when i only bother posting exceptional deals and they still receive the same insta-cold treatment, before eventually taking 24 hours to get hot. Which isn't great on time-sensitive deals.



Only solution i can think of is make it harder to reach maximum voting power, and lower the temperature needed for something to become hot. And possibly increase the number of voting suspensions if someone posts ridiculous comments about voting habits.

Alternatively hiding a deal's temperature for the first hour it's live, or halving people's cold voting power in that period might also be helpful...

p.s. still rather the site devs would work on up/downvoting comments, i think up/downvoted comments would be more useful in determining whether a product is a good deal than the deal temperature.
link for info: http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/individual-comment-up-down-voting-a/823472


Edited By: Eldini on Jan 29, 2011 10:40
#12
well tbh i never bother to look at the hot page its basically useless - time something was last voted hot is basically irrelevant imo.
if its newer its likely to get voted hot more recently - once the deal is voted on by most it will drift down from the page but not necessarily because its not a hot deal.

also what someone else thinks isn't really relevant to the deals. id much rather click new and look at any tabs that interest me and decide for myself... and i expect (guess) the more regular users do something similar.

if i wonder if there is anything 'exciting' then i can view the hottest of the day/week at the side.
these are generally good deals and would tend to come through any duff votes.

the amount of heat for something to get classed as hot is already very low - i think its 60?
the absolute heat value is pretty pointless as boring deals dont attract votes at all good or bad probably.
i know i dont bother voting for a decent deal for something i dont really care or know too much about.
interest in the deals is a bigger factor than the amount something is a bargain. 2 deals can have identical voting patterns but have very different amounts of heat.
if one has 10-1 hot-cold then its heat will end up at perhaps 60. but if its 100-10 then it'd be 600.
which deal is better? maybe neither but the 100-10 certainly got more interest and so more heat.
the only way you could stop that is to force everyone to vote which would be ridiculous.

hiding the temp for an hour or so is interesting idea i guess, would force some independant thought but id tend to hope that 'normal forum use' would balance out those cold voters in the end so unneeded.

not sure about the up/down thing. i tend to read most comments in a thread that is of interest so would only help me if it was massive.
in fact it would annoy me to read them out of order in general.
perhaps to have it as a 'sort by likes' or 'sort by time' options if possible would allow everyone to get what they want.
#13
deek72
jah128
Honestly I think the reverse of this issue is probably more accurate; people blindly voting the hot (ie front-page) deals hotter without weighing up their merits, reckon it happens a lot more that cold deals being made colder...
Agree 100% the amount of red hot deals, where one person has seen one item in one store in one city in one....... well, you get my drift. It's annoying.

+1

It is generally so obvious when these sort of "deals" are a one off local deal usually supermarkets, people really should think before they post them in the first place

But the main issue in my opinion is the people who go around asda, sainsburys, morrisons and tesco and post every single item that has 1p or more off it! They must have nothing else to do with their lives

They totally take over the site meaning people cannot see real hot deals

We need another site hotukSUPERMARKETdeals.com

Edited By: jase.2 on Jan 29, 2011 17:53
#14
Eldini
Only solution i can think of is make it harder to reach maximum voting power, and lower the temperature needed for something to become hot. And possibly increase the number of voting suspensions if someone posts ridiculous comments about voting habits.

Alternatively hiding a deal's temperature for the first hour it's live, or halving people's cold voting power in that period might also be helpful...


Or, as I've often thought, one very simple solution to some of the issues would simply be to cap deal temperatures. Simply don't allow sub-zero temperatures... (make the temperature formula [total strength of hot votes] * [number of hot votes / total number of votes]). Nothing would go sub-zero but cold votes would still have a weight...

Edited By: jah128 on Jan 29, 2011 18:26
1 Like #15
I saw a good example of this the other day. Someone had posted a pre-order for the 3DS at Amazon for, I think, £202, and it got voted cold. Then about 30 or 40 minutes later someone posted exactly the same deal again, not knowing it was a re-post, and it got voted hot! The guy realised it had already been posted so removed his, but at that point it had something like +60 while the original was at -80 or so. Clearly that shouldn't happen if everybody is voting purely on the strength of the deal.
#16
CamoChris
I saw a good example of this the other day. Someone had posted a pre-order for the 3DS at Amazon for, I think, £202, and it got voted cold. Then about 30 or 40 minutes later someone posted exactly the same deal again, not knowing it was a re-post, and it got voted hot! The guy realised it had already been posted so removed his, but at that point it had something like +60 while the original was at -80 or so. Clearly that shouldn't happen if everybody is voting purely on the strength of the deal.

did you forget the fact that the majority are stupid? there you go then.
#17
dcx_badass
It generally evens out, if a deal is good it will get got regardless.

Also lol at OP moaning, voted your deals cold because you're annoying. So what if your deal got cold, it just means it was crap, go find a new one and get over it.

Slightly childish but each to their own and like that's going to bother me?
#18
brilly: it's how ive been using the site for the past 2 years pretty much, i like looking at all categories and browsing every single submitted deal would take too long. I think the voting system used to work better, but maybe that's rose tinted glasses.

jase.2: do a custom viewing thing and remove the groceries deals then? but i think it's down to users/voters not knowing how to recognise store 1 offs that lead to them getting stupid heat.


jah128
Eldini
Only solution i can think of is make it harder to reach maximum voting power, and lower the temperature needed for something to become hot. And possibly increase the number of voting suspensions if someone posts ridiculous comments about voting habits.

Alternatively hiding a deal's temperature for the first hour it's live, or halving people's cold voting power in that period might also be helpful...


Or, as I've often thought, one very simple solution to some of the issues would simply be to cap deal temperatures. Simply don't allow sub-zero temperatures... (make the temperature formula [total strength of hot votes] * [number of hot votes / total number of votes]). Nothing would go sub-zero but cold votes would still have a weight...


My maths isn't great, so i'm not sure if that exact formula is the best combination. But something like that I think that has the potential to be the best way to counter idiotic voters. At least it sounds like it'd be better than the current system where it's more a matter of luck than of whether a deal is good.

It's a shame the current system is being overloaded with idiotic voting. :(


dcx_badass: Grats on either being a troll or another one of those idiotic voters that break the system.

CamoChris: Exactly the kinda thing that happens regularly. Whether a deal gets hot is down to luck too much of the time, it's dumb.


p.s. I sometimes get the feeling the reason a lot of people vote cold is due to HUKD having trouble attaching the affiliate link to deals, and the URL end up broken.
Then idiot voters come along and vote cold thinking the OP **** it up.
#19
I see deals with the wrong link but I usually comment and add the right one in if I can to let the OP know. Must admit though, I've been tempted as I get annoyed at this too but that said, the OP should take responsibility to check the link after posting and edit/rectify it accordingly.
#20
Sometimes trying to lead the masses to a really good deal is bloody hard work.
2 Likes #21
I have to say I have never been on a site that had such odd people on it. Surely we are all here in the hope of making our lives more cost effective and being introduced to thing we might have otherwise missed? I am happy to look out for bargains and pass them on here but it boggles my mind how much pleasure some people take in colding good deals or picking holes in how things have been written down. Another thing that gets my goat is when people cold products that they don't care for even though others might find them ideal.

Edited By: presterjohn71 on Feb 06, 2011 16:31

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