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#1
its a good point you make Saint, deffo with family members being brought into stuff is out of order i agree with that.
#2
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/images/misc/redcard_small.gifPrivate 23-06-2008
14:13Expired 2Posting Personal Information In The Forum
#3
I obviously missed something last night then ?
#4
kyalion
I obviously missed something last night then ?


yeah,wanna see the pics?? :whistling: im joking im joking :p
2 Likes #5
I did think members were having a giggle? Some comments were to far and removed (some were suspended and infracted), it's alright for them to dish it out in other ways but not alright for them to receive the so called 'ridicule' Sorry The Saint but this isn't a prison? You publicly put your name on a website, members can do what they want with that information on the internet, it's not up to the admin staff to take sides in Misc, they are only there to stop people stepping out of line which they do.

At the end of the day you posted all the information people have on you freely, on the internet, people didn't search 'random man' on facebook and get your information or anyone elses, you posted.

The so called people who have been ridiculed give as good as they get, and are probably enjoying the attention, I really don't feel like they would be posting a thread regarding there "public" rights on a "public" forum. (tbh from what I saw were joining in 'playfully'.)

Your a grown adult if you can't take people posting 'pictures' of you, you need to stop giving them snippets of information, I post bits of my information from time to time on this forum knowing full well it could be used agains't me.
banned 1 Like #6
get over yourself saint, suddenly your the moral majority, its a public forum , as for ridiculing people, you do your fair share of that from time to time, so take a look at yourself first before casting the first stone.
#7
Adam2050
I did think members were having a giggle? Some comments were to far and removed (some were suspended and infracted), it's alright for them to dish it out in other ways but not alright for them to receive the so called 'ridicule' Sorry The Saint but this isn't a prison? You publicly put your name on a website, members can do what they want with that information on the internet, it's not up to the admin staff to take sides in Misc, they are only there to stop people stepping out of line which they do.

At the end of the day you posted all the information people have on you freely, on the internet, people didn't search 'random man' on facebook and get your information or anyone elses, you posted.

The so called people who have been ridiculed give as good as they get, and are probably enjoying the attention, I really don't feel like they would be posting a thread regarding there "public" rights on a "public" forum. (tbh from what I saw were joining in 'playfully'.)

Your a grown adult if you can't take people posting 'pictures' of you, you need to stop giving them snippets of information, I post bits of my information from time to time on this forum knowing full well it could be used agains't me.


im off to search "random man on facebook!!" :-D

seriously though.....it was soooo funny that thread, i must have missed it when it got nasty though and people were banned or whatever.....there is always a line and i think the Mods are good at their jobs imo ;-)
banned#8
kyalion
I obviously missed something last night then ?


saints chums got a serious hammering last night :thumbsup: oh how I laughed very very loud :w00t:
#9
dog_cop
get over yourself saint, suddenly your the moral majority, its a public forum , as for ridiculing people, you do your fair share of that from time to time, so take a look at yourself first before casting the first stone.


would have to agree.

If you didnt kick up a stink about it, no-one would have known it was your "real" name.

Mods have their current method of dealing with such thing, no need to change it just because you feel annoyed by it. Many people are annoyed by many goings on on here, and like dog_cop says, you are the first into the thread to riddicule them about it when they want somthing doing.

So, time to take a chill pill, step away from that keyboard dude!
[helper]#10
If someone proudly proclaims to be something they are obviously not and evidence is there in the public domain which demonstrates otherwise - then frankly they only have their own stupidity to blame.........

Family members are another matter and they should be removed or blanked out.

If you want anonymity on HDUK then don't trade/buy and don't tell anyone your name......simple.
#11
I posted a pic last night from Facebook as i'm sure i recognised the pic from somewhere,BUT as Adam has already said,if it's readily available for ALL to see on Facebook, why shouldn't i post it on here.

It wasn't a personal or private pic,so what's the big deal.
banned#12
gari189
If someone proudly proclaims to be something they are obviously not and evidence is there in the public domain which demonstrates otherwise - then frankly they only have their own stupidity to blame.........

Family members are another matter and they should be removed or blanked out.

If you want anonymity on HDUK then don't trade/buy and don't tell anyone your name......simple.


and also if you don't want others to ridicule you don't lie or share your dreary life on here as people will pick holes in the lies and mock , which is deserved ..people need to learn to keep their mouths shut.. but the failsafe is run crying to the mods :roll:
banned#13
so you are complaining about people posting photos that are freely available on the internet?
Simple rule, don't post photos of yourself that you don't want others to see.
Strictly speaking, posting a photograph on here is a breach of copyright if the photo doesn't belong to the poster or the poster doesn't have permission to post it. If that happens then the only real redress you will have is to have it removed, which it sounds like has been done. If the members doing it have also been suspended then what more are you wanting? Surely suspending someone is actively discouranging the practice?
#14
have lost count of how many times I have seen my name posted in "The Misc" for entertainment purposes.

The moderators will remove/edit it out, but the same handful of members continue to do so.
Are they actually asked no to do so when a moderator edits/deletes their post?

I believe that last nights "goings on" was another step too far with members posting pictures from social networking sites on here with out the persons permission. All in the name of entertainment.

They are uncertain of the identity, but are happy to post the pictures and laugh, even posting pictures of someone who they think is the sister of a member of HUKD, and implying what they would like to do to them.


I agree, with you, I think the problem is that the members who were "attacked" last night are probably the most well know members in the site.Obviously being #1 people are not going to like that. I mean on the said facebook link, the person had a friend whos name was "harvey",so one member thought it was me. Im sure members know other peoples first name on here, but they didnt bother searching there name on the persons facebook friend list, why? because there not that important.
^all IMO of course, come with the territory

I agree it with a step too far, who knows who's that face book account was, I dont mind that pictures were posting as its public to see on facebook, but some of the things said about the pictures maybe should not of been said.



having said that a few members were suspended OP, straight after the face book threads, so I think the mods are doing something about it, as always keep up the good work mods :)
banned#15
facebook is a bit like google, if its viewable by the jo public then its no different, dont know what happened although did see the pics posted, it is time for mods to say enough is enough and that goes to both sides, the mods know certain members are pushing for what they get, and yes its ok to reprimand those members who respond to it but maybe its time to also reprimand those who spend 99.9% of their time pushing for it
banned#16
.I am still laughing about the no1 or so called member and his BC being busted last night, long may it continue.
Until there is a change in policy that bull poo merchants get banned as well, as the No1 site billy liar needs a long long holiday HTH
[helper]#17
black gerbil1
I agree, with you, I think the problem is that the members who were "attacked" last night are probably the most well know members in the site.Obviously being #1 people are not going to like that..

having said that a few members were suspended OP, straight after the face book threads, so I think the mods are doing something about it, as always keep up the good work mods :)


How is this bit relevant to the OPs point? it should be removed but if you insist on leaving it in then it merits a response

Getting members suspended is what you precisely hope to acheive when you post your threads - its obvious you are pleased with the suspensions but you must be bitterly dissappointed there weren't any bans..........
#18
gari189
How is this bit relevant to the OPs point? it should be removed but if you insist on leaving it in then it merits a response

Getting members suspended is what you precisely hope to acheive when you post your threads - its obvious you are pleased with the suspensions but you must be bitterly dissappointed there weren't any bans..........

I want to keep this on topic, I rarely report a post unless is it abuse of the swear filter, so what you said is flawed ,if you wish to carry this convo plz to do it via pm.

and it is very relevant to the post.
#19
black gerbil1
I want to keep this on topic, I rarely report a post unless is it abuse of the swear filter, so what you said is flawed ,if you wish to carry this convo plz to do it via pm.

and it is very relevant to the post.


Sorry BG1 but the first part of your comment is to incite a response (one before this one qouted as gari pointed out), the second part of your post was relevant, and as you said sorted by the mods. Without turning this into Misc. I have reported the thread for the relevant response if any is needed.:)
banned#20
gari189
How is this bit relevant to the OPs point? it should be removed but if you insist on leaving it in then it merits a response

Getting members suspended is what you precisely hope to acheive when you post your threads - its obvious you are pleased with the suspensions but you must be bitterly dissappointed there weren't any bans..........


very valid points nice to the the staff see through the childish antics of the so called no1 member, as one pointed out some time ago their post are nonsense:thumbsup:
#21
Adam2050
Sorry BG1 but the first part of your comment is to incite a response (one before this one qouted as gari pointed out), the second part of your post was relevant, and as you said sorted by the mods. Without turning this into Misc. I have reported the thread for the relevant response if any is needed.:)

I saying because alot of pople know who am, and don't like me for whatever reasons, Im always going to get more flack then less know/less hated members, and I dont mind it, it comes with who I am on this site.

I mean surely there must be a reason why my name was searched on that facebook firend list and not the other 200-1000 people who surf the misk and people know there name, Gari has his name as his username, why was his name not searched? a few mods have there names on there too, and they were not searched?
#22
black gerbil1
I saying because alot of pople know who am, and don't like me for whatever reasons, Im always going to get more flack then less know/less hated members, and I dont mind it, it comes with who I am on this site.

I mean surely there must be a reason why my name was searched on that facebook firend list and not the other 200-1000 people who surf the misk and people know there name, Gari has his name as his username, why was his name not searched? a few mods have there names on there too, and they were not searched?


Within one post your doing it again.:)

You know why they were doing it, and you know why they continue to do so. I'm not debating that.
The way you respond sometimes is the means to why they do it.

If you think its out of context report it like you always do.:)

At end of the day the way this has been set out is very 'hypocritcal' and holds no water with any member or mod. We/they are all as bad as each.
#23
dog_cop
very valid points nice to the the staff see through the childish antics of the so called no1 member, [COLOR="Red"]as one pointed out some time ago their post are nonsense[/COLOR]:thumbsup:


Which is probably exactly why BG1 posts his threads under the 'nonsense' topic :?

black gerbil1
I saying because alot of pople know who am, and don't like me for whatever reasons, Im always going to get more flack then less know/less hated members, and I dont mind it, it comes with who I am on this site.

[COLOR="Red"]I mean surely there must be a reason why my name was searched on that facebook firend list and not the other 200-1000 people who surf the misk and people know there name[/COLOR], Gari has his name as his username, why was his name not searched? a few mods have there names on there too, and they were not searched?


Bullying is when a person is picked on over and over again by an individual or group with more power, either in terms of physical strength or social standing.

Two of the main reasons people are bullied are because of appearance and social status. Bullies pick on the people they think don't fit in, maybe because of how they look or how they act.

Some bullies use psychological control or verbal insults to put themselves in charge. For example, people in popular groups or cliques often bully people they categorize as different by taunting or teasing their targets (verbal bullying).

Verbal bullying can also involve posting insults about a person on a website — practices that are known as cyberbullying.
banned#24
black gerbil1
I want to keep this on topic,[B] I rarely report a post unless is it abuse of the swear filter, so what you said is flawed ,if you wish to carry this convo plz to do it via pm. [/B]

and it is very relevant to the post.


total bull, although yes your right you dont report, you use msn instead, the mods could possibly remove posts as fast as they do otherwise, whether online on hukd or not
banned#25
sassie
total bull, although yes your right you dont report, you use msn instead, the mods could possibly remove posts as fast as they do otherwise, whether online on hukd or not


like the moral majority on here though :roll:
#26
Thanks for the Feedback. I don't have the time to respond to everything, but would like to point a few things. :)

Adam2050
I did think members were having a giggle? Some comments were to far and removed (some were suspended and infracted), it's alright for them to dish it out in other ways but not alright for them to receive the so called 'ridicule' Sorry The Saint but this isn't a prison? You publicly put your name on a website, members can do what they want with that information on the internet, it's not up to the admin staff to take sides in Misc, they are only there to stop people stepping out of line which they do.

At the end of the day you posted all the information people have on you freely, on the internet, people didn't search 'random man' on facebook and get your information or anyone elses, you posted.

The so called people who have been ridiculed give as good as they get, and are probably enjoying the attention, I really don't feel like they would be posting a thread regarding there "public" rights on a "public" forum. (tbh from what I saw were joining in 'playfully'.)

Your a grown adult if you can't take people posting 'pictures' of you, you need to stop giving them snippets of information, I post bits of my information from time to time on this forum knowing full well it could be used agains't me.


I don't think it's relevant whether the members can take it or not. Either it's okay to post pictures taken from someones Facebook profile, youtube page, or photobucket account for the purpose of ridicule or not.

Would it be okay for a member to post personal information/photo's of a moderator without fear of an infraction, just because they(pics) are "On the internetz" somewhere unrelated?

I was unaware that members had been infracted/suspended for their antics in that thread, so it goes somewhat to answering my question.

DudeyGeeza
would have to agree.

If you didnt kick up a stink about it, no-one would have known it was your "real" name.


You are making assumptions. I have never put my name in this forum, or kicked up a fuss in a thread about it. It's the 1st time anyone has seen me mention it.

It has been going on for months now. It's not people knowing my name that is the problem. Everyone has one. I just believe that it is up to me whether it is spread around the forum or not.

gari189
If someone proudly proclaims to be something they are obviously not and evidence is there in the public domain which demonstrates otherwise - then frankly they only have their own stupidity to blame.........

Family members are another matter and they should be removed or blanked out.

If you want anonymity on HDUK then don't trade/buy and don't tell anyone your name......simple.


Well the "family members" if that's is what they actually were, were posted separately, and crude comments made.

deb8z
I posted a pic last night from Facebook as i'm sure i recognised the pic from somewhere,BUT as Adam has already said,if it's readily available for ALL to see on Facebook, why shouldn't i post it on here.

It wasn't a personal or private pic,so what's the big deal.


I guess it depends on your motive for doing so, I didn't see the pic, or know your reason for posting it.

colinsunderland
so you are complaining about people posting photos that are freely available on the internet?
Simple rule, don't post photos of yourself that you don't want others to see.


So no one on HUKD should given the benefit of any degree of anonimity if they happen to use social networking/picture hosting site?


colinsunderland

Strictly speaking, posting a photograph on here is a breach of copyright if the photo doesn't belong to the poster or the poster doesn't have permission to post it. If that happens then the only real redress you will have is to have it removed, which it sounds like has been done.


Which is what I said in my opening post about youtube.


colinsunderland
If the members doing it have also been suspended then what more are you wanting? Surely suspending someone is actively discouranging the practice?


As I said earlier, I didn't see that they were suspended for doing so. The thread is not available to see the mod comments that confirmed this. Hence the thread.
[admin]#27
We actually edited the code of conduct recently following a couple of conversations with one or two members

* Never post information considered as personal or private without the other member's consent.

So if anyone does post your real name, your own pics etc without checking with you first, we will deal with it as a code of conduct breach.
Members should also take their own personal privacy seriously, secure your photobucket accounts, don't share personal details/pics until you're absolutely certain you trust the recipient.

We will deal with reports as they come in regarding this subject and response time is dependent on how many mods are online and how much is going on elsewhere on the site.

As mentioned before, targeting of members for whatever reason and trolling are also against the site code of conduct, the issues above are only occuring within a small pocket of members, most of whom have been here for long enough to know the code of conduct and it's particulars. Maybe everyone should have a read of it to make sure they're not breaching the rules on there before posting.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/81946/hukd-forum-code-of-conduct
#28
I posted one pic asking if anyone recognised the person in it,because i'm convinced i'd seen it somewhere before,possibly on the misc forum previously,i didn't post any other pics,just the one.
banned#29
juliet_bravo
We actually edited the code of conduct recently following a couple of conversations with one or two members



So if anyone does post your real name, your own pics etc without checking with you first, we will deal with it as a code of conduct breach.
Members should also take their own personal privacy seriously, secure your photobucket accounts, don't share personal details/pics until you're absolutely certain you trust the recipient.

We will deal with reports as they come in regarding this subject and response time is dependent on how many mods are online and how much is going on elsewhere on the site.

As mentioned before, targeting of members for whatever reason and trolling are also against the site code of conduct, the issues above are only occuring within a small pocket of members, most of whom have been here for long enough to know the code of conduct and it's particulars. Maybe everyone should have a read of it to make sure they're not breaching the rules on there before posting.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/81946/hukd-forum-code-of-conduct


so you just confirmned they where really the members photos then, otherwise there would have been no rules broken
#30
thesaint


I don't think it's relevant whether the members can take it or not. Either it's okay to post pictures taken from someones Facebook profile, youtube page, or photobucket account for the purpose of ridicule or not.

Would it be okay for a member to post personal information/photo's of a moderator without fear of an infraction, just because they(pics) are "On the internetz" somewhere unrelated?

I was unaware that members had been infracted/suspended for their antics in that thread, so it goes somewhat to answering my question.



I didn't say it was revelant, I said that's what happened/happens.:)

If the moderator posted the information publicly on the forum yes I would expect them not to get infracted, if they did it in private yes I would expect an infraction.

You have given your details out somewhere or linked yourself somewhere, if you have a problem with that you need to sort it yourself not ask the mods to ban/suspend everyone because they qouted your name on a 'public' forum from someone else who posted months/years ago. No one is a telepath on here (that I am aware of), so they didn't just pick your name at random from the depths of there minds.

thesaint

You are making assumptions. I have never put my name in this forum, or kicked up a fuss in a thread about it. It's the 1st time anyone has seen me mention it.

It has been going on for months now. It's not people knowing my name that is the problem. Everyone has one. I just believe that it is up to me whether it is spread around the forum or not.


Yes if you are being seperated out, you need to ask why and then report the people in question as you already do. If you have so much of problem with the forum use the contact us button and make a case (which I think in some cases you do)?

My assumptions have to have some merit in them. You must of told someone, as Gari stated if you don't want your personal information revealed don't use FS/FT and don't give your details out in pm.

Theres over 125 people who have my real name on here, they not meant to pass on details as you have said from a pm to the public forum, but it happens. Which I really couldn't care about, I made my choice for my information to go public years ago by signing up to things I needed and things I didn't.

As I have repeated once before its your choice to post here no one elses.:)


thesaint

Well the "family members" if that's is what they actually were, were posted separately, and crude comments made.



You posted your child on here before as a pic and I asked if it was you, and you made some comment. So your post asking for removal of details regarding families is so 'hypocritical' As someone mentioned you are quite happy to cast the first stone, and not happy about the consequences.
#31
Got to admit I agree with the sentiment of a lot of what The Saint is saying. But at the same time, you absolutely shouldn't repost other peoples pictures and claim that they are your own either... :giggle:
banned#32
* Trolls are people who for no reason want to disrupt a forum topic by constantly posting out of context posts, derogatory comments, throwing insults, making personal attacks and deliberately inciting a negative response from other members. This is called trolling; in public forums and won't be tolerated here.
* Users or groups of users who continue to attack other members because of their views and opinions, attempting to beat them down or demean them, will have posts deleted and may be banned.

In respect to these rules then people posting threads that are deliberately aimed at getting a negative response are inciting trolling so on that premiss the Op should be responsible for what they post in the first place, so that makes them just as guilty
[admin]#33
sassie
so you just confirmned they where really the members photos then, otherwise there would have been no rules broken


Nope, I was answering thesaint.

He was discussing his own name being posted.

With regards to the pics last night, they were all deleted, we don't have members personal details on file and so have no idea whether it was him or not.
banned#34
juliet_bravo
Nope, I was answering thesaint.

He was discussing his own name being posted.

With regards to the pics last night, they were all deleted, we don't have members personal details on file and so have no idea whether it was him or not.


oh i thought the suspensions issued where for posting pics of jkf
#35
sassie
oh i thought the suspensions issued where for posting pics of jkf


I think it was for the numerous follow-up threads after the original one was spammed :thumbsup:
#36
juliet_bravo
We actually edited the code of conduct recently following a couple of conversations with one or two members



So if anyone does post your real name, your own pics etc without checking with you first, we will deal with it as a code of conduct breach.
Members should also take their own personal privacy seriously, secure your photobucket accounts, don't share personal details/pics until you're absolutely certain you trust the recipient.

We will deal with reports as they come in regarding this subject and response time is dependent on how many mods are online and how much is going on elsewhere on the site.

As mentioned before, targeting of members for whatever reason and trolling are also against the site code of conduct, the issues above are only occuring within a small pocket of members, most of whom have been here for long enough to know the code of conduct and it's particulars. Maybe everyone should have a read of it to make sure they're not breaching the rules on there before posting.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/81946/hukd-forum-code-of-conduct


Sorry Juliet as Sassie said about them not being real?

Also how can someone ask permission on a picture that they have posted on here publicly. They can't break a rule that they have accepted on posting it publicly.

If people qouted a picture I posted here, I would in no way want them infracted for it. Would be silly as I made that choice months ago.

Unless what you mean is if they report that they didn't give them permission then you can dust there knuckles under that code of conduct then fine.

But if there playing in jest how do you dertemine they are breaking this rules. I posted pictures of Andywedge as I believed he was really a hamster. So would I now be breaking that rule? What do you deem under that rule is personal or private?

Just asking for clarification as that is broad statement made by you on a straight forward ruling?
#37
sassie
oh i thought the suspensions issued where for posting pics of jkf


midlandscomics
I think it was for the numerous follow-up threads after the original one was spammed :thumbsup:


I bet you any money they were for both types and the same few going over it and over again.
banned#38
midlandscomics
I think it was for the numerous follow-up threads after the original one was spammed :thumbsup:


it doesnt really matter, if they where not of jfk and just some pics off the internet then how can they matter, confused.com, like adma says so anyone here who quotes a pic posted by a member could get an infraction for posting a pic without their say so, slightly extrmeme i know but about the same as posting one off google, an open facebook
banned#39
Adam2050
I bet you any money they were for both types and the same few going over it and over again.


one respected posted got a holiday for another matter which I am not at liberty to discus for fear or being taken to the gulag :thumbsup:
[admin]#40
You're missing the point on what happened altogether guys...

JFK posted some pictures of a football ground/game. Members then posted pics and tags from that album without his permission. He did not post the original image(s) of the young lads, members then posted those images repeatedly claiming they were pics of JFK

This is an entirely different issue to the one you're talking about and is in breach of our code of conduct as mentioned earlier. If a member posted his own pictures and others quoted them then fine. If that member then deleted his pic and wanted the quotes deleting, he could ask those who quoted to delete them, or remove from their photobucket account so the hotlink didn't work

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