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banned#1
I think there could be a slight tolerance given. However you're probably referring to a DVD without a case, in which case it wouldn't be permitted for listing.
#2
aScottishBloke
I think there could be a slight tolerance given. However you're probably referring to a DVD without a case, in which case it wouldn't be permitted for listing.


How about a DVD box set thats missing a disc?

J
#3
aScottishBloke
I think there could be a slight tolerance given. However you're probably referring to a DVD without a case, in which case it wouldn't be permitted for listing.

Are you reffering to a copied DVD which would obviously not be allowed? Or if someone wanted a DVD posting without case/covers to save on posting, is that not allowed either?
banned#4
Johnboy_1975
aScottishBloke
I think there could be a slight tolerance given. However you're probably referring to a DVD without a case, in which case it wouldn't be permitted for listing.


Are you reffering to a copied DVD which would obviously not be allowed? Or if someone wanted a DVD posting without case/covers to save on posting, is that not allowed either?


I'm referring to incomplete items that can't be purchased on it's own with a comparable rrp. A dvd without a case would not be permitted for listing, although it would ultimately be up to the buyer/sender to agree on what components were shipped.
#5
So I guess the same would apply with PS1/PS2/PS3 XBOX & XBOX360 games then - no case no sale?
#6
Or offered?
[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/for-sale-trade/wanted-psp-games/823037?p=10067233 ]

(links to [ http://www.hotukdeals.com/for-sale-trade/for-sale-dvd-boxsets-blu-rays-games/821890 ])

I'm not highlighting this member specifically, but it was fresh in my mind as I commented on the first thread.

However, you do see items listed without cases, without instructions, &/or missing other elements; such as the redeemable voucher codes for downloadable content from Limited Edition game titles, for instance.

From what you have said above, aSB, it sounds like these items can no longer be listed.

Is that true? (I tried not to use the phrase "Is that the case?" as that may have been confusing!)

Furthermore, what about games consoles that do not have their original (exterior) packaging?

BFN,

fp.
#7
I think the OP is asking as from the threads recently posted the guy has been selling part of bundle copies to re-coup money, think he's trying to find a way round it.

I don't think we should be stopping people from selling 'legitimate media' because a few want to work around making money.
#8
Adam2050
I think the OP is asking as from the threads recently posted the guy has been selling part of bundle copies to re-coup money, think he's trying to find a way round it.I don't think we should be stopping people from selling 'legitimate media' because a few want to work around making money.

Thanks Adam.

Do you mean to avoid the "profiteering rule" kicking-in if aspects of a bundle were being sold off individually with a net result of income higher than the original purchase price?

Either way, I'm just curious (more than I am normally!) to clarify what aSB meant with the response:

aScottishBloke
I'm referring to incomplete items that can't be purchased on it's own with a comparable rrp. A dvd without a case would not be permitted for listing, although it would ultimately be up to the buyer/sender to agree on what components were shipped.

BFN,

fp.
#9
fanpages
Adam2050
I think the OP is asking as from the threads recently posted the guy has been selling part of bundle copies to re-coup money, think he's trying to find a way round it.I don't think we should be stopping people from selling 'legitimate media' because a few want to work around making money.
Thanks Adam.Do you mean to avoid the "profiteering rule" kicking-in if aspects of a bundle were being sold off individually with a net result of income higher than the original purchase price?Either way, I'm just curious (more than I am normally!) to clarify what aSB meant with the response:
aScottishBloke
I'm referring to incomplete items that can't be purchased on it's own with a comparable rrp. A dvd without a case would not be permitted for listing, although it would ultimately be up to the buyer/sender to agree on what components were shipped.
BFN,fp.

Indeed.

In a way, it's more the fact that OP is probably trying to work around the rule that has caused ASB to reply the way he has.
#10
so your not allowed to list a dvd without its case and I'm assuming that would also then apply to all console games blu rays and just about anything else that comes in a case or packaging.

however the buyer and seller can if they choose agree a deal were they do not have to send the the dvd in its case to save on postage costs.

so what exactly is the point in not allowing dvds etc without cases to be listed yet allowed to arrange a deal were the caseless dvds can be sent as long as they were listed with their cases?

and I thought the rules were being made simpler to understand.
#11
ants97
so your not allowed to list a dvd without its case and I'm assuming that would also then apply to all console games blu rays and just about anything else that comes in a case or packaging.however the buyer and seller can if they choose agree a deal were they do not have to send the the dvd in its case to save on postage costs. so what exactly is the point in not allowing dvds etc without cases to be listed yet allowed to arrange a deal were the caseless dvds can be sent as long as they were listed with their cases?and I thought the rules were being made simpler to understand.

Have to remember the OP sold DVD's from bundled copies so was a bit sly about it, mods closed and is now seeking clarification regarding selling DVD's without cases, so simply just going to try and do the same thing. Certain level of trust is given to sellers on here.
#12
Adam2050

Have to remember the OP sold DVD's from bundled copies so was a bit sly about it, mods closed and is now seeking clarification regarding selling DVD's without cases, so simply just going to try and do the same thing. Certain level of trust is given to sellers on here.


I'm not refferring to what the op has done or may or may not be trying to do regarding copied media which quite rightly iisn't allowed but this statement from asb

aScottishBloke



I'm referring to incomplete items that can't be purchased on it's own with a comparable rrp. A dvd without a case would not be permitted for listing, although it would ultimately be up to the buyer/sender to agree on what components were shipped.
banned#13
The rules are fairly simple. It's just a case of someone looking to treat the rules as if it were a matter of law. These are general guidlelines and we expect them all to be adhered to. If someone is splitting a single unit which contains 2 items, e.g. blu ray and dvd combo in once case, with only intending to sell the single loose item, then that is in breach of the relaxation on unbundling.

My reference to what actually gets sent out is between the buyer/seller. Got to be mad to send out a dvd without adequate protection, and additionally, anyone intending to do this should bear in mind the requirement to confirm items in possession at the time of listing.

This is just an attempt to muddy the waters, it's very clear what our intentions are.




Edited By: aScottishBloke on Dec 10, 2010 21:24
#14
aScottishBloke
The rules are fairly simple. It's just a case of someone looking to treat the rules as if it were a matter of law. These are general guidlelines and we expect them all to be adhered to. If someone is splitting a single unit which contains 2 items, e.g. blu ray and dvd combo in once case, with only intending to sell the single loose item, then that is in breach of the relaxation on unbundling.

My reference to what actually gets sent out is between the buyer/seller. Got to be mad to send out a dvd without adequate protection, and additionally, anyone intending to do this should bear in mind the requirement to confirm items in possession at the time of listing.

This is just an attempt to muddy the waters, it's very clear what our intentions are.





so games dvds etc without cases are allowed to be listed?
banned#15
No, How do you come to that conclusion ?
#16
aScottishBloke
No

But whats the point in not allowing them to be listed if a buyer and seller can agree to send them anyway. I dont get the logic.
#17
ants97
aScottishBloke
No

But whats the point in not allowing them to be listed if a buyer and seller can agree to send them anyway. I dont get the logic.


Probably to save on postage costs if both buyer & seller are happy to accept the consequences of inadequate protection.

BFN,

fp.
#18
aScottishBloke
The rules are fairly simple. It's just a case of someone looking to treat the rules as if it were a matter of law. These are general guidlelines and we expect them all to be adhered to. If someone is splitting a single unit which contains 2 items, e.g. blu ray and dvd combo in once case, with only intending to sell the single loose item, then that is in breach of the relaxation on unbundling.

My reference to what actually gets sent out is between the buyer/seller. Got to be mad to send out a dvd without adequate protection, and additionally, anyone intending to do this should bear in mind the requirement to confirm items in possession at the time of listing.

This is just an attempt to muddy the waters, it's very clear what our intentions are.



Thanks for adding clarification, aSB.

I didn't realise the act of splitting Double (or Triple) Play Blu-ray/DVD(/Digital) items was that prevalent, but I suppose if you do not cater for such an instance in the rules/guidelines then you cannot direct an offending member to the text when you need to do so.

However, my query above was primarily regarding splitting constituent elements of items so that you cannot compare a retail price because of the (perceived) value of the removed components.

I appreciate there is no definitive method of pricing such component parts individually, especially as some members will see the parts having little or no value, & others seeing them as making the whole item a worthwhile purchase & the differentiating factor from the "Standard" release.

Of course, if all additional items have been removed to effectively make the item the same as the "Standard" edition then you can find a comparable retail price. There may be some remaining differences (such as product packaging), however.

If purchasing an item of this nature I insist that all original parts are included with the sale, but introducing such a rule would limit sales of pre-owned items significantly as you do see listings of this nature on a fairly regular basis.

That is why I raised the query.

BFN,

fp.
#19
fanpages


Probably to save on postage costs if both buyer & seller are happy to accept the consequences of inadequate protection.

BFN,

fp.


I'm going to assume you missed not only the point but my post from earlier. I've quoted it below to help.

It still doesn't explain why games etc without cases aren't allowed to be listed but can still ultimately be sold if the buyer and seller agree to it.

ants97
so your not allowed to list a dvd without its case and I'm assuming that would also then apply to all console games blu rays and just about anything else that comes in a case or packaging.

however the buyer and seller can if they choose agree a deal were they do not have to send the the dvd in its case to save on postage costs.

so what exactly is the point in not allowing dvds etc without cases to be listed yet allowed to arrange a deal were the caseless dvds can be sent as long as they were listed with their cases?

and I thought the rules were being made simpler to understand.






Edited By: ants97 on Dec 11, 2010 12:04
#20
ants97

I'm going to assume you missed not only the point but my post from earlier. I've quoted it below to help.

It still doesn't explain why games etc without cases aren't allowed to be listed but can still ultimately be sold if the buyer and seller agree to it.


No, I didn't miss what you typed. I was agreeing with you. Why do you feel the need to be rude in your response?

I added above that when providing the value of items for comparing prices of trades a retail value needs to be gained. If you are listing an item without an original component part finding a retail price is not possible.

BFN,

fp.
#21
As this is feedback if you feel I've been rude ( I won't report your condescending reply) then report my comment to have it removed and please keep this on topic.
#22
ants97
As this is feedback if you feel I've been rude ( I won't report your condescending reply) then report my comment to have it removed and please keep this on topic.


Regardless of which Forum we are within, rudeness is not required. I responded accordingly when you accused me of not reading your previous text.

We were on topic until then.

BFN,

fp.
#23
report the comment then

TTFN,

a97
[mod]#24
I'm none the wiser................so Disc only sales are now no longer allowed??
1 Like #25
I remember a thread on here a few months ago. The seller had put all the disks into a carrier, and thrown all the cases away. So all the DVD's were disk only. The items weren't being split for profit, but because the cases no longer existed.

So, if i've got this right:
1. Disk and Case advertised. Disk Only wanted. Sale Allowed
2. Disk Only advertised. Sale NOT Allowed.

So even if the case for your DVD or Game has been lost or broken, then they are not allowed to be sold? What about older games, such as those for the Super Nintendo, which were supplied in cardboard cases, and were notoriously weak?
#26
That would seem to get very tricky as there surely is no longer a comparable rrp for items that are no longer in production such as old video games.

peodude
I remember a thread on here a few months ago. The seller had put all the disks into a carrier, and thrown all the cases away. So all the DVD's were disk only. The items weren't being split for profit, but because the cases no longer existed.

So, if i've got this right:
1. Disk and Case advertised. Disk Only wanted. Sale Allowed
2. Disk Only advertised. Sale NOT Allowed.

So even if the case for your DVD or Game has been lost or broken, then they are not allowed to be sold? What about older games, such as those for the Super Nintendo, which were supplied in cardboard cases, and were notoriously weak?


Edited By: stewby on Dec 13, 2010 00:10
#27
I'm referring to incomplete items that can't be purchased on it's own with a comparable rrp

So is a PS3 with a faulty blu ray drive "incomplete"? As I have one for sale on HUKD, don't want to fall foul of whichever interpretation of the rules is currently been used? If its against the rules can ASB pls close (without infracting prefferably)
1 Like #28
If games etc without cases are not allowed to be sold then why no warning about the ds games in this thread? just about photos and bumps.


http://www.hotukdeals.com/for-sale-trade/ds-games-plastation-move-and-more/826238


(incidentally isn't it a bit harsh to count the pics being added as bumps when they have all been posted within 1 minute of each other?)

Edited By: ants97 on Dec 13, 2010 23:21
#29
ants97




so games dvds etc without cases are allowed to be listed?



aScottishBloke
No, How do you come to that conclusion ?



ants97
If games etc without cases are not allowed to be sold then why no warning about the ds games in this thread? just about photos and bumps.


http://www.hotukdeals.com/for-sale-trade/ds-games-plastation-move-and-more/826238



(incidentally isn't it a bit harsh to count the pics being added as bumps when they have all been posted within 1 minute of each other?)


any update?
#30
Have these rules been relaxed now...?

Been seeing a few threads allowed - like this one: -
http://www.hotukdeals.com/for-sale-trade/ds-games-no-box-s/866863

J


Edited By: JACKERL360 on Feb 02, 2011 14:52: Link
#32


Hello JackerL360,

I'll bring your attention to this thread.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/for-sale-trade/for-sale-bioshock-2-xbox-360-disc-o/845861/#post10310888

Hi,

We don't normally permit incomplete items, however I'm going to trial something here. In the case where there's a missing element, please provide a pic of the front of the disc for sale.

Report your thread when ready.


To quote ASB.

This has been relaxed for now to see how it goes. We are trying to configure the rules to be as fair as they can with certain items. This is still down to mod discretion on such items. Bundled item's that specifically state 'not for re-sale' or 'bundled copy' still fall under the rule and are not permitted for sale or trade.

Also where such trades take place we will request pictures of the item in question, with the username and date of sale.




Edited By: Adam2050 on Mar 16, 2011 15:52: updated
#33
Thanks Adam for clearing this up.

J
#34
This has probably been thought of or spoken about but i bought toy story blu-ray and dvd in same case.
as i have no use for the dvd disc but would like to keep the case for the blu-ray disc
so could i sell the dvd without the case

not that i am going to just want to see if its ok

Edited By: madmax666 on Mar 20, 2011 23:57

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