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#1
1) That's the "New" tab. Click on All > All > New in the 3 navigation bars and you'll see the latest threads from all forums. You can now narrow this by forum or category or both.

2) Not quite sure what you mean.

3) That's the "Discussed" tab.

It's not my place to talk about the bans. Admin is a fair man. Although the door is closed and locked for some, I should imagine that the doorbell is in full working order.
#2
1. If I select All->All->New then I am getting posts at random time. Sometimes it says "1 day ago" followed by "29 seconds ago", then "10 hours ago", etc. How can it be sorted by last posting time?
2. I mean that on old site topics were displayed using different font/colour combinations:
a) Bold: New topic, never read by me.
b) Semi-bold: Topic I've read but new replies were posted
c) Normal: Topic I've read and no new replies were posted
On this forum, only "a" and "c" fonts are avaible, so I can't distinguish between "b" and "c" - the only way to do so it to remember number of posts/thread, which is difficult.

3. I was under impression that New and Discussed are somewhat different. For example, if new deal was posted and no replies were added - would it appear in Discussed? And if yes, then what's the difference between Discussed and New?
#3
Kommunist
1. If I select All->All->New then I am getting posts at random time. Sometimes it says "1 day ago" followed by "29 seconds ago", then "10 hours ago", etc. How can it be sorted by last posting time?
2. I mean that on old site topics were displayed using different font/colour combinations:
a) Bold: New topic, never read by me.
b) Semi-bold: Topic I've read but new replies were posted
c) Normal: Topic I've read and no new replies were posted
On this forum, only "a" and "c" fonts are avaible, so I can't distinguish between "b" and "c" - the only way to do so it to remember number of posts/thread, which is difficult.

3. I was under impression that New and Discussed are somewhat different. For example, if new deal was posted and no replies were added - would it appear in Discussed? And if yes, then what's the difference between Discussed and New?


I find it easier to navigate the site in text mode, there seems to be more options and info.

New: List the threads with the latest at the top.
Discussed: Lists the threads with the most recently discussed thread at the top.

If you view in text mode Posts never read by you will be bold.
Post that have been read will be normal. (edit: they go back to bold if there are unread threads in the post) :-(
You can see if a post has had any replies by looking at the number of comments on the righthand side of the posts.

Don't know how the database works but I get the impression that reading/writing to the database is not done in real time and take a minute or two to synchronize. Then again it could be a bug with FireFox and the cache :)
#4
Tip:
In text only mode clicking on the down arrow at the left hand side of the post title, will take you to the last thread that you read in that post.
#5
I switched navigation to text mode immediately when I saw the change. And it ddn't help.
And the New and Discussed behavior is very strange. For example:

New:

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1548/p1vi7.th.jpg

As you can see, there are a lots of posts with 0 views and 0 replies in it. Two problems here:
1. How the heck a reply can be posted without thread viewed?
2. Why posting times are not in ascendant order?

Now, let's take a look at Discussed tab:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8699/p2ro4.th.jpg

As you can see, threads with 0 replies (although not with 0 views! weird) can't make its way to this tab. Actually, I would expect such behavior. But the New MUST show everything and it MUST be sorted by time, not by some strange algorithm, if it was planned to behave exactly the same way as "Todays post" on old forum.
#6
2. Why posting times are not in ascendant order?


They are - the only thing you can see is the time of the replies, but the actual threads are shown in order of posting.
#7
emmajk42;1376968
They are - the only thing you can see is the time of the replies, but the actual threads are shown in order of posting.

But why? I don't care when the thread was posted - it could be ages ago. All I want is to be able to sort it by the time of last reply, exactly as it was on old forum.
#8
As Stora said, best to use text mode only in the 1st instance.
Now, the "discussed" button i have found is the key here Kommunist :)
If you want to see say the most recent, as in chronological order of posts in the (for example) Misc sub forum.

Click misc
Click discussed.
This will arrange them in chronological order of the most recent threads that have been posted in

Threads you have posted in
This will have a subtle small icon i have noticed. The small arrow, left to right, shows threads i myself have posted in
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8600/postedjd0.jpg


Threads you have read
I have noticed that these for me at least will not be in bold
I am using firefox 2.0.0.11 with NONE of the updates recommended on here.

Hope that makes a bit of sense, if not, i'll try again :)
#9
Kommunist
But why? I don't care when the thread was posted - it could be ages ago. All I want is to be able to sort it by the time of last reply, exactly as it was on old forum.


If you sort by "New" it shows the NEWEST POSTED THREADS. So it shows the deals that have only justbeen posted for example.

The "discussed" tab is like the old forum. It shows things in order of the time of the last reply.

:)
#10
Kommunist
2. I mean that on old site topics were displayed using different font/colour combinations:
a) Bold: New topic, never read by me.
b) Semi-bold: Topic I've read but new replies were posted
c) Normal: Topic I've read and no new replies were posted
On this forum, only "a" and "c" fonts are avaible, so I can't distinguish between "b" and "c" - the only way to do so it to remember number of posts/thread, which is difficult.


In text-only view I suppose "b" is that the username of the last poster in the right hand column is bold where there's been replies which we've not seen before.
#11
boydent999

As to text mode, I already sad that this was the first action I took after the switchover.

Now, the "discussed" button i have found is the key here Kommunist :)
If you want to see say the most recent, as in chronological order of posts in the (for example) Misc sub forum.

The trouble is that "discussed" seems to show only the threads that were er... discussed. No replies - no show, as screenshots above demonstrate. And New button seems to have a very unusual sorting algorithm.

Threads you have posted in
This will have a subtle small icon i have noticed. The small arrow, left to right, shows threads i myself have posted in

Thanks - I never paid any attention to these icons as I am using a "subscribed topic" indication instead. By default all topics I am participating in are automatically sibscribed to.

Threads you have read
I have noticed that these for me at least will not be in bold

Correct. Neither it is for me. Which is a real problem. On the old site these were shown with some kind of in-between font - not bold and not normal.
#12
There is no crazy sorting algorithm for the new tab. It's in order of the date and time of the first post in the thread. We had this on the old site, it was called "View all unrated deals".

The discussed tab does show deals without replies. The discussed tab sorts threads in order of the date and time of the last post.
#13
[B]duckmagicuk2

[/B]If you sort by "New" it shows the NEWEST POSTED THREADS. So it shows the deals that have only justbeen posted for example.

OK, I'll try to ask one more time. Is there way to sort ALL threads in NEW by last reply time?

The "discussed" tab is like the old forum. It shows things in order of the time of the last reply.

No, it is not. If there was no reply to thread it won't appear in DISCUSSED. Which is logical, BTW.

[quote]In text-only view I suppose "b" is that the username of the last poster in the right hand column is bold where there's been replies which we've not seen before.[quote]
It is the same whethere there were or weren't replies.
#14
Sorry but that's not what happens here Kommunist.
See below pic. I have clicked ALL/ALL and Discussed and there is a thread, no replies, no views but does show up in the chronological order:
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3692/discussedwd7.th.jpg
As for the bold/non bold, does that not help? If a thread is NOT in bold, you have read it at least once, if it is in bold, it's a thread you haven't read. I will add mind, i only use this pc, so if you are logging on say at home, go to work and use a different pc with your account, i am not sure what the behaviour would be.
The graphic is very subtle for subscribed threads i will admit to that
#15
[B]duckmagicuk2[/B]

So what you're saying is that it is Discussed button, which is equivalent to Today's post one right?

boydent999
As for the bold/non bold, does that not help? If a thread is NOT in bold, you have read it at least once, if it is in bold, it's a thread you haven't read.
The trouble is that if topic was marked as "read" but I never posted in it - it'll always be in non-bold, regardless of whether there were new posts or not.

UPD: Strange - I tried to quote duckmagic's posting and it never appeared after I hit reply button. Odd...
1 Like #16
Kommunist;1377030
So what you're saying is that it is Discussed button, which is equivalent to Today's post one right?
I guess so, yes. I can have:
Topics set to All (i have never changed this)
Forums set to All (unless you want a sub-forum)
Then i click to Discussed and this, shows me all threads, across all topics and all forums in chronological order.
It is not so much Today's post, more, just the entire site, sorted by date/time, you could go to the next page ad infinitum and get to post #1 i guess this way.......
I do not use EVER, hot, new or custom since Discussed orders it for me in way that i, and i think you want

In response to your edit, i see what you mean.
If you have ever viewed a thread:
but not posted, it will not be in bold, or
posted it will be not be in bold but with the icon i posted earlier

If you have never read a thread, consquently not posted, it will always be in bold
If someone posts in the thread AFTER you have viewed it, the boldness (lol) will not come back, it will still not be in bold, but the Discussed feature will send it higher up the chrono list

Please say that that has helped lol, even my head is hurting now :)
#17
Kommunist
No, it is not. If there was no reply to thread it won't appear in DISCUSSED. Which is logical, BTW.


I'm sorry. That is wrong.

I'll show you now.


New Tab

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/188/newtablw4.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3297/newtab2ip9.jpg

Discussed Tab

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5741/discussedtabhh0.jpg

As you can see, items show up in discussed tab even if they have no replies. This is the tab which you are looking for. :thumbsup:
#18
Yes, that's how my settings are set: All/All, mode - text. Thanks, the Discussed seems to be working well, although the name is really confusing.

So, another question is - how is it possible for thread to have replies but not views?
#19
Kommunist;1377050
Yes, that's how my settings are set: All/All, mode - text. Thanks, the Discussed seems to be working well, although the name is really confusing.
Phew :) I hate not being able to explain to folks since i know you're a clever bloke, but it can be so frustrating from my side not being able to put into words how to do what i do. I am sorry it took so long :oops:

Kommunist;1377050
So, another question is - how is it possible for thread to have replies but not views?
I take my leave on that one lol, i have no idea :)
#20
Kommunist
So, another question is - how is it possible for thread to have replies but not views?


Possibly a glitch. Or possibly the number of views is cached and updated periodically to help server load whereas replies appear straight away.
#21
Actually, i have just studied this and can see an issue, which perhaps Kommunist was saying and i was too stoopid to understand.
When i have viewed a thread, it goes to non bold. When a new post appears in there, it goes back to being bold but there is no indication, as he said, change of font or a change in graphic to show i have been there......hmmm
#22
boydent999

It's not your fault - seems like it is a blond day for me :) It happens somethimes.

[B]duckmagicuk2

[/B]Do you know how long does it take for cache to be updated? As there are some threads with more than 10 replies and no views? Not that it is important for me but looks a bit bizarre.

So, to reiterate on what was discussed so far:

1. Text->All/All->Discussed is an equivalent of Todays Posts. :)
2. No solution so far.
3. Not necessary as 1 answers it.

A new question then:
Is there an equivalent of Mark All Read button?

Also, what about my other question regarding members were asked to leave? Was there any topic with clear explanation on what happened?
#23
boydent999;1377066
Actually, i have just studied this and can see an issue, which perhaps Kommunist was saying and i was too stoopid to understand.
When i have viewed a thread, it goes to non bold. When a new post appears in there, it goes back to being bold but there is no indication, as he said, change of font or a change in graphic to show i have been there......hmmm


Yes, this is what I was talking about :) Sorry for not being able to explain it clearly - my fault.
#24
And, while I at it - why such a message is displayed when giving reputation to someone:

[img=http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5176/p3de8.th.jpg]

I thought tit-for-tat rep giving is against the rules?

Also, why no UBB codes are allowed in first post?
#25
There was a topic raised here about bans
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/127905/permanent-bans-possibly-a-bit-harsh/all/all/discussed/

I'm sure someone will put me right if I've got the wrong end of the stick. :)
As far as I can make out the bans where not just for spamming but for try disrupt the site too.
#26
Mark All Read: The code for it is ready, it just didn't make it into last night's site release (they've been updating the site nightly). Hopefully it'll be in tonight.

No BB codes in the first post because it's 100% custom and doesn't use vBulletin to display. Paul was going to work out a way of allowing BB Code although pictures may mess up the full view screen. So maybe links and formatting will be allowed but not images.

Paul will have to take a look at the bold thing some time. It's been looked at but it's obviously not quite as it was.

I don't know why you get that message when giving rep. I think it's just a confirmation message. It doesn't mean tit-for-tat repping, it just means maybe you'll be lucky enough to receive rep for your own hard work some day.

As for bans, yes it was for disrupting the forum and sending unsolicited PMs. If any member wishes to discuss a ban then they can use the contact us link at the bottom of the page:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/sendmessage.php
#27
Continuing with q's re the change >:
1) I assume that we are never going to be told the reasons for the change? (Or did I miss that?)
2) In view of the difficulties of navigation (Never needed instructions in the past) are we going to see a more final, finished implementation or is this it for the forthcoming?
It'd be helpful to not waste too much time on this site if it is likely to get changed again, soon.
3) Does EVERYONE agree that white background is a no-no and if so, could/will it be changed?

Anyone?
#28
duckmagicuk2

I don't know why you get that message when giving rep. I think it's just a confirmation message. It doesn't mean tit-for-tat repping, it just means maybe you'll be lucky enough to receive rep for your own hard work some day


i think this is normal on a vBulletin site i have seen exactly the same message on other forums i have used
#29
rizla01;1377190
Continuing with q's re the change >:
1) I assume that we are never going to be told the reasons for the change? (Or did I miss that?)


http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/127519/one-week-in-thoughts-and-background/all/feedback/discussed/
#30
duckmagicuk2;1377149
Mark All Read: The code for it is ready, it just didn't make it into last night's site release (they've been updating the site nightly). Hopefully it'll be in tonight.

Great news!


No BB codes in the first post because it's 100% custom and doesn't use vBulletin to display. Paul was going to work out a way of allowing BB Code although pictures may mess up the full view screen. So maybe links and formatting will be allowed but not images.

On old site the first post was also custom and BB codes had no effect on first page, However, when post was looked from forum, it did work. Can we have similar functionality here?


Paul will have to take a look at the bold thing some time. It's been looked at but it's obviously not quite as it was.

Excellent.


I don't know why you get that message when giving rep. I think it's just a confirmation message. It doesn't mean tit-for-tat repping, it just means maybe you'll be lucky enough to receive rep for your own hard work some day.

Er... this could be a problem with my English skills but can you interpret "same Reputation back in turn" in way other than tit-for-tat?


As for bans, yes it was for disrupting the forum and sending unsolicited PMs. If any member wishes to discuss a ban then they can use the contact us link at the bottom of the page:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/sendmessage.php

Does this mean that bans are private issues and should only be discussed by parties involved and not anybody else? Also, I haven't seen any site disruptions recently (apart from upgrade-linked ones of course :)).

stora

Thanks, I'll read it.

rizla01

3. I honestly don't care as long as background isn't black :)
[admin]#31
I think the thread has gone in every which direction.

I think your questions about New/Discussed are answered now? Basically New will show you the newest threads. Discussed will show you the newest posts grouped by thread (that's a technical way of putting it - in any case it is the same view as a normal forum).

The cache on views updates every 1/2 hour I think. This is the same as on the old site, it would also shows replies on a 0 view thread as it cached the view results for an hour.

There's a thread in Misc called Permanent Ban something (I forget right now).

Lastly, the read/unread should be tracking with the forum icons as well as fonts. I don't know if vb ever showed you have viewed this thread before and now it is updated? I think it had states for read/unread and corresponding read/unread on ones you posted in?

Edit: the reputation message is a vb generated one - I haven't looked at it.
#32
rizla01
Continuing with q's re the change >:
1) I assume that we are never going to be told the reasons for the change? (Or did I miss that?)
2) In view of the difficulties of navigation (Never needed instructions in the past) are we going to see a more final, finished implementation or is this it for the forthcoming?
It'd be helpful to not waste too much time on this site if it is likely to get changed again, soon.
3) Does EVERYONE agree that white background is a no-no and if so, could/will it be changed?

Anyone?


I don't mind the background. saying that I've never calibrated my monitor.

If the background is so bad you can press SHIFT+ALT+PrintScn to turn high contrast on :whistling:
#33
Admin;1377292
I think the thread has gone in every which direction.

I think that I asked very direct questions?


I think your questions about New/Discussed are answered now?

Yes, it is now. Don't know why same questions in other threades were ignored. Ah well...


The cache on views updates every 1/2 hour I think. This is the same as on the old site, it would also shows replies on a 0 view thread as it cached the view results for an hour.

Thanks for explanation. Not that 0 views bothers me, I just thought is was a bug.


There's a thread in Misc called Permanent Ban something (I forget right now).

Reading through it right now.


Lastly, the read/unread should be tracking with the forum icons as well as fonts. I don't know if vb ever showed you have viewed this thread before and now it is updated? I think it had states for read/unread and corresponding read/unread on ones you posted in?

Yes, in VB there were 3 states - bold for unread. mid-bold (or whatever it is called) for read ones with new replies and normal for read ones with no replies.
Here I can only see 2 states.


Edit: the reputation message is a vb generated one - I haven't looked at it.

Thanks.
#34
Kommunist
2. On the old site, topics that were visited once and then a reply was posted to were presented in different colour/font compared to those never visited and those visited by with no new answers in it. Can I have it back please?...

2. I mean that on old site topics were displayed using different font/colour combinations:
a) Bold: New topic, never read by me.
b) Semi-bold: Topic I've read but new replies were posted
c) Normal: Topic I've read and no new replies were posted
On this forum, only "a" and "c" fonts are avaible, so I can't distinguish between "b" and "c" - the only way to do so it to remember number of posts/thread, which is difficult....
Now we have:
a) Bold font with a red/orange flame icon
b) Bold font with a red/orange flame icon
c) Normal font with a yellow flame icon

... so it seems as though b) should either be in normal font or have a yellow flame so that you can distinguish it from a).
#35
rizla01
Continuing with q's re the change >:
1) I assume that we are never going to be told the reasons for the change? (Or did I miss that?)
2) In view of the difficulties of navigation (Never needed instructions in the past) are we going to see a more final, finished implementation or is this it for the forthcoming?
It'd be helpful to not waste too much time on this site if it is likely to get changed again, soon.
3) Does EVERYONE agree that white background is a no-no and if so, could/will it be changed?

Anyone?


Hi rizla01,
There is some discussion here re colour/ background.
[admin]#36
Kommunist
I think that I asked very direct questions?


Yes sorry - just meant I wasn't sure which questions still needed answering or not. If any loose ends let me know.
#37
Could anybody tell me how to find the old "Traders To Avoid" list that was a sticky in the FS/Trade Forums please? I used to think that was quite a good reference point.
#38
donnydude;1378315
Could anybody tell me how to find the old "Traders To Avoid" list that was a sticky in the FS/Trade Forums please? I used to think that was quite a good reference point.


looks like it's gone a bit funny since the update:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/34658/traders-to-avoid/all/all/hot/
#39
thanks for that emma
#40
donnydude;1380104
thanks for that emma


Welcome :) I had tried searching for it in the advanced search and it wasn't coming up. Because it was over a year old so I had to set the search defaults to that :)

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