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#1
It's no more illegal than allowing the sales of modded 360's, Wii's and PSP's.
banned#2
We'll update tomorrow. Thanks
#3
Derr, they are illegal to buy and sell in the UK from people in the UK.
If you buy them from China, or wherever, then they are ok.
They are NOT illegal to own.
banned#4
They are no more Illegal than a CDR drive. A CDR writer can be used for legitamate back-ups and storage or illegal copies of albums etc. An R4 can be used for homebrew and apps as well as Illegal roms. Should CDR drives be pulled because most people will at some time use them for making music cds?
#5
Pachi
They are no more Illegal than a CDR drive. A CDR writer can be used for legitamate back-ups and storage or illegal copies of albums etc. An R4 can be used for homebrew and apps as well as Illegal roms. Should CDR drives be pulled because most people will at some time use them for making music cds?

You must've missed this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10790835 they are now: "llegal to import, advertise and sell in the UK."
#6
megalomaniac
Pachi
They are no more Illegal than a CDR drive. A CDR writer can be used for legitamate back-ups and storage or illegal copies of albums etc. An R4 can be used for homebrew and apps as well as Illegal roms. Should CDR drives be pulled because most people will at some time use them for making music cds?
You must've missed this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10790835 they are now: "llegal to import, advertise and sell in the UK."


Changing the law on these will no-more stop people buying them and using them than stop them buying and selling pirated dvds, other console games, or fake goods etc on a market stalls - if someone sees a way to perhaps save a few quid - likewise make a few quid they will take the risk, regardless if a deal is listed on this site or another - The deal might still even get listed but under the cover of another name.....or the person listing the deal might set up a fake profile just to get it on..... etc etc etc
banned#7
Jumpingphil
Derr, they are illegal to buy and sell in the UK from people in the UK.
If you buy them from China, or wherever, then they are ok.
They are NOT illegal to own.


it's illegal to import them too, according to the press articles. However I would wait until the full judgement is available to be sure as most the press stories are likely to have come from the nintendo press office.
banned#8
BBC didnt even get the description right. They are not game copiers and have no ability to actually copy games. The ruling is for manufacturing and importing for sale in the UK.The product is not illegal to own as it does not in itself infringe any copyright. The Judge used the argument that "The mere fact that the device can be used for a non-infringing purpose is not a defence," Good job he isnt responsible for ruling whether other things are illegal such as flash drives, CDR's, DVD recorders, Cameras, SD cards, THE INTERNET! All these things can be used for a non-infringing purpose and Illegal activities.

Edited By: Pachi on Jul 29, 2010 19:43: ?
#9
Pachi
The ruling is for importing for sale in the UK. The product is not illegal to own as it does not in itself infringe any copyright.

You can buy them from China for yourself - but cannot import them for sale...
so nothing really changes.
#10
Pachi
Good job he isnt responsible for ruling whether other things are illegal such as flash drives, CDR's, DVD recorders, Cameras, SD cards, THE INTERNET! All these things can be used for a non-infringing purpose and Illegal activities.

That is the most sensible thing I've heard about the subject on here. You are of course 100% correct, it is a silly ruling and the logic the judge has applied shows a basic misunderstanding of the technology involved! If anything the "protection" system Nintendo use should be outlawed as it prevents fair use (for example: under UK copyright law you are perfectly entitled to make backup copies).


Edited By: megalomaniac on Jul 30, 2010 08:38: -
Edited By: megalomaniac on Jul 30, 2010 08:39: -
#11
Threads about deals should now possibly be removed and any posts linking to roms themselves for definite.

Threads just generally talking about the cards themselves and homebrew should be fine as they are no different to people talking about jailbreaking Iphone's, modding android phones and chipping original Xbox's.

Edited By: Ungreat on Jul 30, 2010 10:12: .
[admin]#12
Deal threads for r4 are no longer permitted. We prohibited their sale in FS a long time ago. Discussing the news regarding the court outcome and it's repercussions is permitted.
banned#13
megalomaniac
Pachi
Good job he isnt responsible for ruling whether other things are illegal such as flash drives, CDR's, DVD recorders, Cameras, SD cards, THE INTERNET! All these things can be used for a non-infringing purpose and Illegal activities.

That is the most sensible thing I've heard about the subject on here. You are of course 100% correct, it is a silly ruling and the logic the judge has applied shows a basic misunderstanding of the technology involved! If anything the "protection" system Nintendo use should be outlawed as it prevents fair use (for example: under UK copyright law you are perfectly entitled to make backup copies).



can you link to that section of the law please?
#14
Just noticed 7dayshop have stopped selling them. :(
#15
colinsunderland
can you link to that section of the law please?

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/cdpact1988.pdf section 50A deals specifically with creating backups of software (games are software).

The problem is that while it is legal to make backups, it is illegal to circumvent copy protection systems/DRM and that is the basis of this ruling: that the cards circumvent Nintendos protection systems. I am strongly of the opinion that because copy protection/DRM prevent you exercising your legal right to a make a backup copy, they themselves should be illegal but unfortunately we live in a country where the industry £ takes priority over consumer rights.
#16
colinsunderland
However I would wait until the full judgement is available to be sure as most the press stories are likely to have come from the nintendo press office.


^^^This.

Prohibited = Profit.
#17
megalomaniac
colinsunderland
can you link to that section of the law please?


http://www.ipo.gov.uk/cdpact1988.pdf section 50A deals specifically with creating backups of software (games are software).

The problem is that while it is legal to make backups, it is illegal to circumvent copy protection systems/DRM and that is the basis of this ruling: that the cards circumvent Nintendos protection systems. I am strongly of the opinion that because copy protection/DRM prevent you exercising your legal right to a make a backup copy, they themselves should be illegal but unfortunately we live in a country where the industry £ takes priority over consumer rights.


device does nothing unless you copy specific files over and go out of your way to bypass copyrights.

utterly rediculous ruling, and hopefully that judge is forced into early retirement.


Edited By: jayjayuk1234 on Jul 30, 2010 14:35: r
Edited By: jayjayuk1234 on Jul 30, 2010 14:36: rr
#18
I would also presume discussions on the use of such items are OK to continue as plenty of threads exist on how to duplicate CDs & DVDs (remove region protection, and such like), but the sale of such counterfeit or "pirated" items is prohibited.

The copying of audio tracks to MP3 or related compressed digital formats (without the copyright holder's express written permission) is discussed, & various threads also contain details about the ability to add "mod chips" to Xbox 360 & Wii consoles, and "custom firmware" to PSP consoles, that are, in varying degrees illegal for one reason or another (depending on actual usage of the items thereafter), and these are still sold & traded regularly here too.

(“ROM” images are prohibit for inclusion in the “For Sale / Trade” classified listings even if they are not being offered for sale, or the items themselves are considered freeware or abandonware).


It seems inconsistent, but as long as you follow the rules & guidelines of the site, only your conscience or necessity to discuss such issues will continue the discussions.

BFN,

fp.
#19
megalomaniac
colinsunderland
can you link to that section of the law please?


http://www.ipo.gov.uk/cdpact1988.pdf section 50A deals specifically with creating backups of software (games are software).

The problem is that while it is legal to make backups, it is illegal to circumvent copy protection systems/DRM and that is the basis of this ruling: that the cards circumvent Nintendos protection systems. I am strongly of the opinion that because copy protection/DRM prevent you exercising your legal right to a make a backup copy, they themselves should be illegal but unfortunately we live in a country where the industry £ takes priority over consumer rights.


ha colinsunderland you didn't expect that did ya
banned#20
jamesdew
megalomaniac
colinsunderland
can you link to that section of the law please?



http://www.ipo.gov.uk/cdpact1988.pdf section 50A deals specifically with creating backups of software (games are software).

The problem is that while it is legal to make backups, it is illegal to circumvent copy protection systems/DRM and that is the basis of this ruling: that the cards circumvent Nintendos protection systems. I am strongly of the opinion that because copy protection/DRM prevent you exercising your legal right to a make a backup copy, they themselves should be illegal but unfortunately we live in a country where the industry £ takes priority over consumer rights.


ha colinsunderland you didn't expect that did ya


ha, yes, so how do you make a backup of a ds game without breaking the law?
Also not really convinced you could persuade a judge a ds is a computer tbh.
#21
colinsunderland
ha, yes, so how do you make a backup of a ds game without breaking the law?

Exactly! You can't because of the copy protection.
colinsunderland
Also not really convinced you could persuade a judge a ds is a computer tbh.

Perhaps not given the technological know-how of the average judge, but that is exactly what it is. Technically any programmable machine that processes data and gives output is a computer, so engine management systems, games consoles, mobile phones etc. are all technically computers.
#22
A computer is an electronic programmable machine* that accepts data (receives input), stores & manipulates data (information) using mathematical/arithmetic & logical operations, and provides the results in a useful output format.

* a machine consists of inter-related parts each having separate functions but together used in the performance of some kind of work.

Just like a human, then... and you cannot copy those legally either.

BFN,

fp.
#23
Seriously dude; learn to read. I never said computers were illegal, nor all software. I am very aware of the production, use, & legal implications of both.

You will often find me defending the rights of copyright holders in HotUKDeals threads.

Why just highlight my definition of a computer? megalomaniac was in agreement to demonstrate the description of a Nintendo DS handheld device.

Discussion of illegal activities happens all the time in the forums.
Deals are regularly listed where members have stolen goods from, or defrauded, retailers due to errors in their pricing systems.

My comment about humans was simply to show that we too are a computer by the same definition that describes a handheld gaming device.

BFN,

fp.
#24
What's an R4 card when it's at home http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:M0SouxIdZSXtxM:http://knowyourmeme.com/i/3309/original/i-dunno-lol.jpg%3F1244616130

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