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You can either have these things out in the open and use it as an opportunity to de-bunk religious fanatiscm, bigotiscm, racism and sexism. However as people post anonymously I don't believe the normal restraint that people have when discussing these issues would apply and all sorts of outlandish and provocative statements would be posted.

I agree that it can be very contentious and for the sake of harmony and the "community spirit" then may be they should be banned. It would be great to have a sensible discussion where members would listen and consider the counter arguments but I don't think it would work ......
#2
Maybe it is the fact that the same "offenders" keep banging the same disrespectful (i.e. full of hate) drum (in clever ways mind - by posting a article which is horribly one sided or turning a ordinary thread into vitriolic and illogic hate mongering)

A person's religious, sexual or any other orientation in life should be respected at all times

If a respectful discussion were to take place which weren't in the form of "I'm sitting in front of a computer so can be as blunt and raw as I want to be", maybe the mods wouldn't take such a dim view.

Frankly I am getting sick of the thinly veiled views of the same posters who seem to feel that since they are talking on the internet they can be totally inhibited in the way they talk - something which in real life conversations they would not have the courage or inclination to do due to the ridiculousness of their tone.
suspended#3
In one way, it is good that people feel they can say what they truly feel online but of course it can cause problems like Gari said and people may think it is acceptable to cross the line and just be offensive rather than be involved in a discussion.

The problem is also that you are just seeing text and it is open to different interpretations and the tone of the post may be misjudged. It is hard for people to get their view across in they way they intended. Some people may deliberately distort it or see it as having an underlying meaning (which it may do).

MoneySavingG - I agree completely, anything people say on this board they should be able to say in the real world without any problem. thought should be put into a message before it is posted and same with your views when speaking in person.
#4
MoneySavingG
Maybe it is the fact that the same "offenders" keep banging the same disrespectful (i.e. full of hate) drum (in clever ways mind - by posting a article which is horribly one sided or turning a ordinary thread into vitriolic and illogic hate mongering)


If a respectful discussion were to take place which weren't in the form of "I'm sitting in front of a computer so can be as blunt and raw as I want to be", maybe the mods wouldn't take such a dim view.

Frankly I am getting sick of the thinly veiled views of the same posters who seem to feel that since they are talking on the internet they can be totally inhibited in the way they talk - something which in real life conversations they would not have the courage or inclination to do due to the ridiculousness of their tone.


I'm in no way, shape or form a "keyboard warrior", I say exactly what I think, Perhaps I could tone down my feelings, but then that wouldn't be expressing how I truly felt about something.

But its proof that if religion wasn't discussed, It would solve any disagreements, because i'm sick and tired of not being able to expessing how I feel about something without my post getting deleted. I do have quite strong feelings against religion, It really is the cause of a lot of problems!
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MoneySavingG
Maybe it is the fact that the same "offenders" keep banging the same disrespectful (i.e. full of hate) drum (in clever ways mind - by posting a article which is horribly one sided or turning a ordinary thread into vitriolic and illogic hate mongering)


If a respectful discussion were to take place which weren't in the form of "I'm sitting in front of a computer so can be as blunt and raw as I want to be", maybe the mods wouldn't take such a dim view.

Frankly I am getting sick of the thinly veiled views of the same posters who seem to feel that since they are talking on the internet they can be totally inhibited in the way they talk - something which in real life conversations they would not have the courage or inclination to do due to the ridiculousness of their tone.


My thoughts exacly. I didnt realise untill the thread on a white minority in Birmingham that we had so many narrow minded racists on this forum.

To be honest im suprised the admin of this "family" forum arnt taking a stronger stance against the type of posts some people make. :x
#6
But what exactly is seen as "racist", I've been called a racist on this forum, Is it just because I have a difference in opinion? or Is it easier to call someone names then to actually face upto the fact people do have different opinions?, I think i'm just one of a few that actually expresses my true opinion, Most people just sit back and let people take over.

Me personally I blame the Government, But thats a whole different story.
suspended#7
Iom-RF
I'm in no way, shape or form a "keyboard warrior", I say exactly what I think, Perhaps I could tone down my feelings, but then that wouldn't be expressing how I truly felt about something.

But its proof that if religion wasn't discussed, It would solve any disagreements, because i'm sick and tired of not being able to expessing how I feel about something without my post getting deleted. I do have quite strong feelings against religion, It really is the cause of a lot of problems!



I don't think that was just aimed just at you.

There was a creationism thread which talked about religion and the idea of god and no posts were deleted - because nobody was being offensive. The main posters (including myself) stuck to the issue and we had a really good discussion, even the admin added his views in the thread.

The idea of racism is another issue and you could make a separate thread for that.
1 Like #8
Titchimp
My thoughts exacly. I didnt realise untill the thread on a white minority in Birmingham that we had so many narrow minded racists on this forum.



:thumbsup:
banned#9
Im not sure it has alot to do with religion, it is more to do with the fact that alot stereotype and thats where the problems start, and also the fact that most can give but cant take, just my thoughts on it
[admin]#10
To be honest im suprised the admin of this "family" forum arnt taking a stronger stance against the type of posts some people make.


I think we do actually. It seems there is broad streak of this type of behaviour in today's society though and it's not actually that easy to "control" online (or offline just take a read in half the papers on the street).
#11
My point really is there are people that share apparently "racist" views, Just because you "hush them up", Doesn't mean they go away..........
#12
As the one who posted the Birmingham Thread referred to earlier and having been a keen poster in that thread, i felt it right to post the thread, and subsequent discussion that was generated.

I did not want any objectionable posts but the fact they appeared is not so much one of those things but folks' opinions be them what some regard bigoted, offensive or just plain wrong.

You can moderate this and other forums but you cannot moderate the internet and it's content. The story i linked to was The Daily Telegraph, hardly too right wing or extreme, it was a news story. The discussion that generated i didn't like either, i wanted a sensible open discussion, that's what grown up's do, alas not all folks can ME INCLUDED some times.

I am not sure if this thread here is a consequence of mine or not, if not, please could someone tell me which thread it is? Thanks
#13
Admin
I think we do actually. It seems there is broad streak of this type of behaviour in today's society though and it's not actually that easy to "control" online (or offline just take a read in half the papers on the street).


Temporary bans untill they realise they should shut up. I think the media do play a big role in what people seems to be a spiraling negative trend.
#14
Titchimp
Temporary bans untill they realise they should shut up. I think the media do play a big role in what people seems to be a spiraling negative trend.
:o Based on what criteria? You cannot tell people to shut up cos they don't have PC views, agreed it's not right that they post them on here, a family forum but there are quite a few threads on here, littered with innuendo and half naked men/women.....is that family friendly? Should they be banned?
#15
Titchimp
Temporary bans untill they realise they should shut up. I think the media do play a big role in what people seems to be a spiraling negative trend.


My view is my own personal experience, Its based on exactly what I see of the UK, Both from when I lived there and when I have to visit now, The fact the media "plays a big role" proves there is issues........

As I said before "Just because you hush someone up, Doesn't mean they go away..........", The same views will always be there and unless people listen/take note of the issues, Nothing will be resolved.

The "shut up" thing is basically what currently goes on, Nobody can speak about anything that could be taken the wrong way, Its not always going to be like that though.
#16
Well i dont even see whyt the posts need to be on the forum. This is a deals forum and really not for politics, i know of plently of forums which have a no politics policy and it works well. Why do we need to know what you think about immigration? etc
#17
Titchimp
Why do we need to know what you think about immigration? etc


Thats the exact reason of this thread, Why do I need to hear about religion?
#18
i dont think they should be banned,we all have views obviously but just because one person dont feel the same as another does not mean they cannot post because of it, could they not just ignore the thread if you dont agree?

the op wasnt asking for a debate, just passing on a site he had found, which a couple of people appreciated at least, could that not of been an end to it?
#19
Iom-RF
Thats the exact reason of this thread, Why do I need to hear about religion?



you dont
ignore it

im sure come xmas they'll be members that dont want to see 'merry xmas' etc but will do so
1 Like #20
Titchimp
Well i dont even see whyt the posts need to be on the forum. This is a deals forum and really not for politics, i know of plently of forums which have a no politics policy and it works well. Why do we need to know what you think about immigration? etc
I don't wanna see racist, offensive or nasty posts either, but i do want folks to be able to speak their minds, have articulate discussion about absolute anything they see fit and i don't want folks telling me to post those elsewhere.

I know their is a lot of other forums out there, but i frequent this one, it has a miscellaneous chat area, for guess what?, talking about what we like as long as mods/admin don't find it breaks the rules, AND as long as no one else is offended by it. That's what the warning triangle is for, and a mod will do their best to read it, and do as is necessary.

As for your final comment, why do i want to hear from you that i cannot speak about what is happening to the country of my birth and how it is suffering decline and being changed in ways many folks don't like yet feel scared, intimidated to speak up of? If you don't like the thread title, don't go there. If you go there and don't like what you read, report it. You cannot say that folks cannot speak there mind, last time i checked but not sure how long for, this is a free and democratic country, so please don't tell people to "shut up" without having reasoned discussion with them; if you cannot, then try to.

Again, what thread has caused all this?

As for xmas Lou, i recently found it, it's actually acceptable, based on the old Greek alphabet. Shocked me too, cos i didn't like the term tbh.

Dictionary.com explanation of the word :)
#21
Iom-RF
Thats the exact reason of this thread, Why do I need to hear about religion?
Then don't read the thread if the topic doesn't interest you...
#22
boydent999
I don't wanna see racist, offensive or nasty posts either, but i do want folks to be able to speak their minds, have articulate discussion about absolute anything they see fit and i don't want folks telling me to post those elsewhere.

I know their is a lot of other forums out there, but i frequent this one, it has a miscellaneous chat area, for guess what?, talking about what we like as long as mods/admin don't find it breaks the rules, AND as long as no one else is offended by it. That's what the warning triangle is for, and a mod will do their best to read it, and do as is necessary.

As for your final comment, why do i want to hear from you that i cannot speak about what is happening to the country of my birth and how it is suffering decline and being changed in ways many folks don't like yet feel scared, intimidated to speak up of? If you don't like the thread title, don't go there. If you go there and don't like what you read, report it. You cannot say that folks cannot speak there mind, last time i checked but not sure how long for, this is a free and democratic country, so please don't tell people to "shut up" without having reasoned discussion with them; if you cannot, then try to.

Again, what thread has caused all this?


iom and dino took offense at this:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97168
#23
loupomm
the op wasnt asking for a debate, just passing on a site he had found, which a couple of people appreciated at least, could that not of been an end to it?


How about I post a "hey i've found this great site on Christianity, Even if you're not a Christian you can still read to learn my religion, Heres the link"

Oh i'll also have a title like "Beautiful recitations of The holy Bible With Translations Into different languages.....
#24
boydent i meant the xmas thing purly as a lazy way of spelling lol

i meant some might not wishto see merry christmas posts because its not their religion, which is the point that some where making in this thread

http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97168
#25
Iom-RF
How about I post a "hey i've found this great site on Christianity, Even if you're not a Christian you can still read to learn my religion, Heres the link"

Oh i'll also have a title like "Beautiful recitations of The holy Bible With Translations Into different languages.....



and what would be wrong with that? noone can force you to look at a site, to read the boble, but if someone wants to recommend a reading then why not?
#26
Iom-RF
I do have quite strong feelings against religion, It really is the cause of a lot of problems!


Maybe, but for some peeps religion is their release from a lot of problems;-)
#27
Iom-RF
How about I post a "hey i've found this great site on Christianity, Even if you're not a Christian you can still read to learn my religion, Heres the link"

Oh i'll also have a title like "Beautiful recitations of The holy Bible With Translations Into different languages.....


And so...whats wrong with that? I for one would welcome more posts like this - because I am not ignorant and like reading about other faiths and viewpoints.
#28
boydent999
As for your final comment, why do i want to hear from you that i cannot speak about what is happening to the country of my birth and how it is suffering decline and being changed in ways many folks don't like yet feel scared, intimidated to speak up of? If you don't like the thread title, don't go there. If you go there and don't like what you read, report it. You cannot say that folks cannot speak there mind, last time i checked but not sure how long for, this is a free and democratic country, so please don't tell people to "shut up" without having reasoned discussion with them; if you cannot, then try to.


Jez.. I've not actually ever seen you say anything like that Boydent!, It sums up exactly how I feel, Just a shame my spelling/grammar lacks otherwise I would write more lengthy posts!
banned#29
boydent999
I don't wanna see racist, offensive or nasty posts either, but i do want folks to be able to speak their minds, have articulate discussion about absolute anything they see fit and i don't want folks telling me to post those elsewhere.

I know their is a lot of other forums out there, but i frequent this one, it has a miscellaneous chat area, for guess what?, talking about what we like as long as mods/admin don't find it breaks the rules, AND as long as no one else is offended by it. That's what the warning triangle is for, and a mod will do their best to read it, and do as is necessary.

As for your final comment, why do i want to hear from you that i cannot speak about what is happening to the country of my birth and how it is suffering decline and being changed in ways many folks don't like yet feel scared, intimidated to speak up of? If you don't like the thread title, don't go there. If you go there and don't like what you read, report it. You cannot say that folks cannot speak there mind, last time i checked but not sure how long for, this is a free and democratic country, so please don't tell people to "shut up" without having reasoned discussion with them; if you cannot, then try to.

Again, what thread has caused all this?

As for xmas Lou, i recently found it, it's actually acceptable, based on the old Greek alphabet. Shocked me too, cos i didn't like the term tbh.

Dictionary.com explanation of the word :)



Well said.
banned#30
Peoples beliefs cause problems everywhere, whether they are religious or not
#31
MoneySavingG
And so...whats wrong with that? I for one would welcome more posts like this - because I am not ignorant and like reading about other faiths and viewpoints.



well said

i'm not jewish but found their religion very enjoyable to learn about at school, in fact its one part of my schooling i remember well :thumbsup:
suspended#32
I don't think you can say PC views is the problem. If I went ahead and used a blatantly offensive word then people would object - I would be in the wrong. It's the same with people's views, just because it is a popular view doesn't justify it as being right.

There is obvious a trend but some people think it is acceptable and cannot see what they are saying. There is nothing wrong with different views, but if those views are based on lies/fear/ignorance/media spin etc. then people are right to object.

The problem is that people don't or can't have a sensible discussion. I'm sure other members and admin would explain why something is genuinely offensive - not just because it is a person who is PC - but people often don't acknowledge it and refuse to take responsbility for their remarks. You are free to say what you wish but don't complain about the consequences if what you say is offensive.
#33
loupomm
Ah right thanks :thumbsup:
I saw the title of this thread, and tbh wasn't even in the slightest bit interested, so guess what :giggle: i didn't read it :giggle: Suppose that says it all doesn't it?
loupomm
boydent i meant the xmas thing purly as a lazy way of spelling lol
:oops: ooops, sorry but thought it was of worth anyways :)
suspended#34
MoneySavingG
And so...whats wrong with that? I for one would welcome more posts like this - because I am not ignorant and like reading about other faiths and viewpoints.


I agree :thumbsup:
#35
boydent999
Ah right thanks :thumbsup:
I saw the title of this thread, and tbh wasn't even in the slightest bit interested, so guess what :giggle: i didn't read it :giggle: Suppose that says it all doesn't it?
ooops, sorry but thought it was of worth anyways



yup, ignore what doesnt concern/interest you :thumbsup:

shame others feel that it is within their 'member' duties to comment on everything, even if their point is out of order and hurtful to some :roll:
#36
MoneySavingG
And so...whats wrong with that? I for one would welcome more posts like this - because I am not ignorant and like reading about other faiths and viewpoints.


It was the way it was worded, It smacked in the face like that religion is all great and "beautiful" etc.

More to the point, Why can't people interested in religion do a simple Google?

look : The wonders of Google.

Its on the first page of a Google search, Anyone even remotely interested could do a simple Google.
#37
Iom-RF
It was the way it was worded, It smacked in the face like that religion is all great and "beautiful" etc.

More to the point, Why can't people interested in religion do a simple Google?

look : The wonders of Google.

Its on the first page of a Google search, Anyone even remotely interested could do a simple Google.


so its ok for people to be interested aslong as you dont have to see the title in a forum?

:roll:
#38
Iom-RF
Jez.. I've not actually ever seen you say anything like that Boydent!, It sums up exactly how I feel, Just a shame my spelling/grammar lacks otherwise I would write more lengthy posts!
I didn't post it to make anyone agree, or disagree.

I think i have been around these parts now long enough for folks to know i say how i feel, and resist pandering to the norm, maybe that's good, maybes not so sometimes :?

I am just sick of getting told what i can/can't do, where i can go etc etc etc by folks who have no right, stature, position or privilege to so do. I know i am not alone and this is NOT my stance of race alone. I am sick of hearing of folks bein' beaten up, killed for protecting their property, fed up of the decline of moral standards.

The thing that has dun my 'ead in the most is someone telling me and other's to shut up, without just cause......
#39
Iom-RF
It was the way it was worded, It smacked in the face like that religion is all great and "beautiful" etc.

More to the point, Why can't people interested in religion do a simple Google?

look : The wonders of Google.

Its on the first page of a Google search, Anyone remotely interested could do a simple Google.


And again we come back to the same point - the off topic forum is there to allow people to post what they like to a extent.
Obviously if he had posted "Religion XYZ is the best - I hate you Heathens- Listen to this" it would inappropriate, but the way it was worded was fine (corny, maybe, but OK).
You are one of the worst offenders for off topic posts yet you refuse to accept this - nonsense.
suspended#40
If someone is passionate about their religion - they will call it beautiful. What's your issue with the title? I don't understand.

It wasn't like the title said 'this is better than that' or 'the best thing ever'.

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