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As just stated in the 'Where Did My Thread Go?' Thread:

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/where-did-my-thread-go-thread/323675?p=11995356 ]

May I suggest that the displaying of the user names of those that spammed a thread when the "The thread you are trying to view has been marked as spam." message is displayed may lessen the behaviour that is now rife in the "Misc" forum by "serial spammers".

Also introducing a threshold such as 1,000 comments, or 6 months as a member, before being able to mark a thread as "spam" may also reduce the instances.

Thank you for your consideration/comments.

BFN,

fp.

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5 Likes #1
As just stated in the 'Where Did My Thread Go?' Thread:

[ http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/where-did-my-thread-go-thread/323675?p=11995356 ]

May I suggest that the displaying of the user names of those that spammed a thread when the "The thread you are trying to view has been marked as spam." message is displayed may lessen the behaviour that is now rife in the "Misc" forum by "serial spammers".

Also introducing a threshold such as 1,000 comments, or 6 months as a member, before being able to mark a thread as "spam" may also reduce the instances.

Thank you for your consideration/comments.

BFN,

fp.
3 Likes #2
It is getting beyond the joke, your reading a thread, compose a reply,try to post it & only to find its been spammed. I've noticed the tag abuse has died down of late, since abuser's can now be identified so I cant see why serial spammers cant be named & shamed !

developers/mods/admin/anyone that has the power to do anything, good idea/bad idea ?
[mod] 2 Likes #3
The main problem is that the site doesn't really care about the Misc section. If this was to start happening on money making Deal links then action would be taken.
#4
Syzable
The main problem is that the site doesn't really care about the Misc section. If this was to start happening on money making Deal links then action would be taken.


That is a fair point.

However, if (when) the "Misc" Forum becomes unusable less & less members will stay to post deals & provide "click-thru" revenue for the site.

BFN,

fp.
#5
threshold
hidden list
remove privelidges
#6
Disagree.


All that will happen is that people who legitimately spam threads will be attacked by the usual suspects.

Leave it as it is,it's no different to how it's always been,people have been moaning about spammers for years.

The only possible solution is to remove it all together.
banned#7
boothy
Disagree.


All that will happen is that people who legitimately spam threads will be attacked by the usual suspects.

Leave it as it is,it's no different to how it's always been,people have been moaning about spammers for years.

The only possible solution is to remove it all together.


What are legitimate reasons for spamming a misc thread? Swearing isn't one as suggested by you in the other thread? In fact the code of conduct specifically states to use the report button for these posts.
[mod] 6 Likes #8
If i legitmately spam a thread i don't care who knows. Only those who malicoulsy do it have any reasons to be wary.
banned 1 Like #9
Syzable
If i legitmately spam a thread i don't care who knows. Only those who malicoulsy do it have any reasons to be wary.


exactly, on the rare occasion I spam anything I usually post a reason why in the thread before doing so. I always wonder why people don't want you to be able to see that they have done that, one might think they are the ones doing it all the time.
#10
colinsunderland
boothy
Disagree.


All that will happen is that people who legitimately spam threads will be attacked by the usual suspects.

Leave it as it is,it's no different to how it's always been,people have been moaning about spammers for years.

The only possible solution is to remove it all together.


What are legitimate reasons for spamming a misc thread? Swearing isn't one as suggested by you in the other thread? In fact the code of conduct specifically states to use the report button for these posts.



A code of conduct breach is reason to spam a thread
banned 1 Like #11
boothy
colinsunderland
boothy
Disagree.


All that will happen is that people who legitimately spam threads will be attacked by the usual suspects.

Leave it as it is,it's no different to how it's always been,people have been moaning about spammers for years.

The only possible solution is to remove it all together.


What are legitimate reasons for spamming a misc thread? Swearing isn't one as suggested by you in the other thread? In fact the code of conduct specifically states to use the report button for these posts.



A code of conduct breach is reason to spam a thread


no its not, but feel free to point to where it says that in the code of conduct

II. Spamming:

There is a zero tolerance to spam here. Anything that is deemed to be so will be removed with immediate effect and the spammer banned at the discretion of Admin and Moderators.

* Empty messages or replies invisible by font and background colour being the same, quotes with no new content or reasonable meaning and repetitive questions, pictures or inane words is spam.
* Pornography, pornographic images or sexually offensive material is spam.
* Self promotion of businesses and anyone involved with them, survey threads, charity request threads made without prior permission, auction / marketplace sites (with the exception of those sellers approved by HUKD), personal sales elsewhere, links to personal websites, requests for referrals, referral links, third party affiliate links, advertising for personal gain and displaying of e-mail address in the forums is spam
* Duplicate threads will be deleted at the discretion of moderators if already posted within the last month. Please use the advanced search to avoid this scenario.
* Bumping old threads without good reason is not permitted and will be classed as spamming, as will thread spoiling and hijacking.
* Adding offensive tags or anything considered as spam in any part of a thread, tag line or post may result in a ban
* Threads relating to or discussing members who have been banned or suspended will be removed from the forum.
* Spamming by PM or Private Message may also result in a ban.


nothing in there about spamming code of conduct breaches

VI. Reporting Offending Posts:

Members have the ability to report posts made by others if they think any of the rules have been broken and we thank you for using this feature.

* A report button is placed to the right of every post in the form of a grey triangle containing an exclamation mark.
* Reported posts will notify Admin and Moderators of the offending post. Please include a brief description and links with your report.
* Do not reply to an offending post, leave it to Admin and Moderators who will deal with the situation as soon as possible.
* Responding to offending posters in any thread with aggressive replies, or inciting them to continue will be considered as an offense in itself.
* Abuse of the voting system expiry and spam buttons could lead to account restrictions.


Clearly states posts breaking the rules should be reported, nothing about spamming them, which part have I overlooked?

Edited By: colinsunderland on Aug 20, 2011 20:17
#12
Yes it is


Good night

X


Edited By: boothy on Aug 20, 2011 20:21
banned 2 Likes #13
boothy
Yes it is

Code of conduct is outdated


Good night

X


real tears?

So nothing to back up what you say whatsoever except 'I'm right, code of conduct is wrong'? Do you realise how stupid you look?
hopefully people who admit spamming threads for no legitimate reason get infracted

Edited By: colinsunderland on Aug 20, 2011 20:22
#14
colinsunderland
boothy
Yes it is

Code of conduct is outdated


Good night

X


real tears?
hopefully people who admit spamming threads for no legitimate reason get infracted



They don't
banned#15
boothy
colinsunderland
boothy
Yes it is

Code of conduct is outdated


Good night

X


real tears?
hopefully people who admit spamming threads for no legitimate reason get infracted



They don't


Obviously, as you aren't suspended.
#16
colinsunderland
boothy
colinsunderland
boothy
Yes it is

Code of conduct is outdated


Good night

X


real tears?
hopefully people who admit spamming threads for no legitimate reason get infracted



They don't


Obviously, as you aren't suspended.



Thread spammed

Trolling

Edited By: boothy on Aug 20, 2011 20:24
banned#17
boothy
colinsunderland
boothy
colinsunderland
boothy
Yes it is

Code of conduct is outdated


Good night

X


real tears?
hopefully people who admit spamming threads for no legitimate reason get infracted



They don't


Obviously, as you aren't suspended.



Thread spammed

Due to trolling


you troll in a thread then spam it? Strange, thought trolls usually stayed round to see the reaction they got?
#18
Thread spammed

Trolling


Edited By: boothy on Aug 20, 2011 20:24


reported for trolling. Probably the first time I've ever reported a post.
#19

boothy - Aug 20, 2011 20:22




chalkysoil



boothy

I think you will find that the OP of the original thread started getting clever and breaching the code of conduct by telling people to F off when he was asked for his opinion rather than just copying a news story and leaving it

Hence the spammage

wrong


And your just trolling, if you have nothing to add why not f
f is not worthy of a report, ffs


Wrong

lifted from the other thread.

F
[mod] 1 Like #20
chalkysoil

boothy - Aug 20, 2011 20:22




chalkysoil



boothy

I think you will find that the OP of the original thread started getting clever and breaching the code of conduct by telling people to F off when he was asked for his opinion rather than just copying a news story and leaving it

Hence the spammage

wrong


And your just trolling, if you have nothing to add why not f
f is not worthy of a report, ffs


Wrong

lifted from the other thread.

F


Maybe the letter F brings back some repressed schoolday memories and is upsetting. X)
#21
Re: The suggestion; please leave it as it is admin/developer.

richp
. I've noticed the tag abuse has died down of late, since abuser's can now be identified so I cant see why serial spammers cant be named & shamed !


Can they? How?
banned#22
thesaint
Re: The suggestion; please leave it as it is admin/developer.

richp
. I've noticed the tag abuse has died down of late, since abuser's can now be identified so I cant see why serial spammers cant be named & shamed !


Can they? How?


panicing a bit there sainty? :)
a couple of the mods have said recently they now have the ability to see how have put the tags on.
#23
colinsunderland


panicing a bit there sainty? :)
a couple of the mods have said recently they now have the ability to see how have put the tags on.


"Panicking".

I thought richp meant that normal members could see who left tags, not mods.
Mods used to be able to see tags years ago, as I remember suspensions for tag abuse used to be given, I never knew that this had changed.
[helper] 2 Likes #24
Syzable
If i legitmately spam a thread i don't care who knows. Only those who malicoulsy do it have any reasons to be wary.
Unfortunately Sy many Misc members don't have your maturity and go down the childish route of spamming the threads of any members who spammed their threads. I think this was the reason neg rep was removed.

Hand out infractions to those who spam inappropriately or remove their spamming powers for a month. and mods should state in the reinstated threads this has been done (but not name the individuals). Stating this has been done might deter others.
#25
and go down the childish route of spamming the threads of any members who spammed their threads.

I admit it did cross my mind, I looked at some weedy football threads and then thought better of it :D
#26
Further discussion & an extension to this suggestion/request:

"Reporting 'Duplicate' option"

Also a 'bump' for this thread in case HeroDeveloper wishes to comment.
1 Like #27
I had no idea this how it happend I thought mods did it!!!!!!

I want my BBC thread back then

the trolls were loosing the fight so they must have spammed it, bloody cheak
1 Like #28
and yes defo display names if it is lagit you would not care who knows u have spammed it
#29
My post was targeted by cowardly bully boys as spam (oh no, one of them is actually posting in this thread -- I'll have to hide behind teacher's legs!!!)

It was only spammed by people who targeted it through fear of looking foolish and such a lack of character that they would rather press the spam button than rescind what they said.

Spineless individuals use it to target and shut down a thread they don't like, it's as simple as that. That's not right. I think you're far too trusting of HDUK members. There are too many out there now who abuse that trust.

People who abuse the spam button should be warned and banned.

I would love to see who pressed the spam button on my thread; it would be the equivalent of someone's swimming trunks falling down and them only having a really small willy. They should be named and shamed in the thread that is reinstated, and then offered counselling.
#30
'Bump'.
[admin]#31
We monitor spammed threads and are able to reinstate incorrectly spammed threads as such. Applying account restrictions to new members in this manner causes upset (as has become apparent following the introduction of locked PMs / mod queue for comments including links)

For now, we won't be implementing this. As it takes more than one member to spam a thread there doesn't appear to be a huge issue currently, and we tend to find it's the long standing members who are more likely to spam threads at present.
Again, if any member does this repeatedly without good reason, they will be warned and ultimately their voting can be blocked altogether.

Thanks Fp


@miles136, displaying vote records may encourage tit-fer-tat voting and discourage people from using those buttons for the good of the site, as per the chalky/gari's comments. Again, we won't be displaying those at present but thanks for the suggestion.

@thesaint, Admins and supervisory mods can see thread edit logs, meaning they can see who adds tags. Not all moderators have access to this resource though.
banned#32
juliet_bravo
We monitor spammed threads and are able to reinstate incorrectly spammed threads as such. Applying account restrictions to new members in this manner causes upset (as has become apparent following the introduction of locked PMs / mod queue for comments including links)

For now, we won't be implementing this. As it takes more than one member to spam a thread there doesn't appear to be a huge issue currently, and we tend to find it's the long standing members who are more likely to spam threads at present.
Again, if any member does this repeatedly without good reason, they will be warned and ultimately their voting can be blocked altogether.


Considering the amount of spamming that goes on without anyone ever seemingly getting 'told off' for it, you can understand why people don't think anything is ever done.
I know it would create more work to start with, but anytime a thread is returned after being spammed without reason, why can't you pm the members who did it. If they don't give a good reason or reply, warn them, then infract them the second time they do it. Once word got round most the unjust spamming would stop and therefore lead to less work for you, having to review and return threads. You could also change the way you spam but making the user leave a comment, which would save having to pm them. In the current rules, theres very few threads that should be spammed in misc, half the threads are spammed because the person spamming doesn't like the OP, doesn't like the way the thread is going or just because they can.
banned 1 Like #33
juliet_bravo
... discourage people from using those buttons for the good of the site...

Sounds like a certain christmas competition (_;)
#34
Following the discussion today in the "Misc" thread below, the "The thread you are trying to view has been marked as spam" page displayed could also show the details of the thread that has been supplied by a number of members (ten, as suggested) as a duplicate:

"Who thinks we need a "duplicate" button?"
#35
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[mod]#36
fluidz
http://i50.tinypic.com/idd3qq.jpg

I think that works the same as the Report button, doesn't it? If people report it we can make contact with the OP and let them know that their thread was a duplicate. Sometimes there is a small detail between threads and occasionally we need to check thread logs to make sure the older thread hasn't been amended.

Having ten members to hit duplicate and supply a link might mean the thread remains on site for a while whilst a quick report means we can get on it right away.
#39
FYI: [ http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/samsung-i7-3630qm-350v5c-a06-laptop-john-lewis-1423152?p=16664741 ]

judgeandjury
Thanks to you both. I saw the laptop, thought, great, I might buy that, and used Google to search for reviews. This came up with a link to Hot UK Deals, which I followed because I thought it might be a useful source of information. I had never visited your website before yesterday, and my first impression of it was that the deal, which I knew was genuine, had been marked as "reeking of spam" and thrown in the bin. It turns out that means it's a duplicate. Would it not give a better first impression to either:
- Provide a link to the deal that remains on your website or
- Link to it directly
This would require some work, but it's not rocket science. Happy Boxing Day!
#40
fanpages
FYI: [ http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/samsung-i7-3630qm-350v5c-a06-laptop-john-lewis-1423152?p=16664741 ]

judgeandjury
Thanks to you both. I saw the laptop, thought, great, I might buy that, and used Google to search for reviews. This came up with a link to Hot UK Deals, which I followed because I thought it might be a useful source of information. I had never visited your website before yesterday, and my first impression of it was that the deal, which I knew was genuine, had been marked as "reeking of spam" and thrown in the bin. It turns out that means it's a duplicate. Would it not give a better first impression to either:
- Provide a link to the deal that remains on your website or
- Link to it directly
This would require some work, but it's not rocket science. Happy Boxing Day!



New member called Judge /& and Jury

Sounds "like" a multi troll [possibly]

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