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#1
gari189
If the spam threads affect server performance then they should be banned or restricted - if they don't then there's not a problem.....


I'd agree with this bit, I don't want my chit chat to be crashing the site!
#2
gari189
A contentious issue and I know there was a previous discussion on this but that is locked….but do the spam threads affect server performance?

If you look at the forums page you will see that there have been approximately 850k posts. About 180k of these posts are in the Misc forum. If you look at the first fifty threads of the Misc forum about 95% of the posts are in the game/weekend/spam threads – if you extrapolate this then approx 170k posts in the Misc forum are spam etc. So if you do the maths around 20% of the total posts on the whole of HDUK are spam.

The game and weekend threads (imo) are pointless and not really why I come to HDUK. There are plenty of other sites where the banter could be carried out.

I know this view isn’t likely to be popular and I can just ignore the threads but the scale seems to be increasing.

If the spam threads affect server performance then they should be banned or restricted - if they don't then there's not a problem.....


I was thinking exactly the same today - most of them seem pointless (especially the 'try to be the last one to post' thread).
There are plenty of chatrooms on the net for chatting about whatever you want....

waiting to be shouted at......
#3
Its the moaning that gets on my baps... live with a bit of spam, theres much more "serious" problems to moan about, in the world!
#4
Anyway, To get back on topic, I have noticed recently more and more spam type threads, Like threads started just for general chit chat, This does in turn cause other more important and help type threads pushed down, If I do see a help type thread, I try to help where I can, Even if its just for a quick bump (as I don't know the answer) upto the top so someone else can see it and help out if they do know it.

Having 1 or 2 threads for chit-chat IMO is fine (longs it doesn't hamper server performance), Its all to easy for a normal thread to go off top though.

That "Last person to post" thread is completely pointless though, Hence why I haven't actually posted much in that thread, What I have posted is mostly general chit chat, I don't see the point in a "bump, i've won" post.
[helper]#5
Lulu'sMammy
Its the moaning that gets on my baps... live with a bit of spam, theres much more "serious" problems to moan about, in the world!

the only thing is that its developing into more than a bit......I think many people haven't realised the extent to which it's grown.

Dino - although Iom does post alot in the spam threads he also does post alot of helpful constructive posts in other threads ....
[helper]#6
I'm a bit concerned that if this becomes too personal the thread will be locked like last time.....

I didn't want this to be a critiscm of any of those who post in the spam threads but more a general case of has the spam got out of hand?
#7
gari189
Dino - although Iom does post alot in the spam threads he also does post alot of helpful constructive posts in other threads ....


Thanks, I try to keep a balance, If I can help out someone then I will. :)

I do chat quite a lot and I do realise I probably chat a bit too much and I agree that the spam has gotten a bit out of control and keeping to one or two threads (like the genuine Misc and random nonsense and weekend thread) would be best, I don't think anyone wants to put a ban on fun/chat, But I do realise help threads/more important threads (Also information posts, Like the camera warranty one) do get pushed down the pages quite a bit due to "spam".
#8
If the Misc & random threads were causing such a problem to the site do you not think Paul/Admin would do something about it such as explaining the situation &/or limiting these threads in some way?!?!
The site has run very sucessfully for 3 years now in variations of it's current form & it certainly seems that Paul knows what he's doing. If it became a problem then as I say I'm sure he would limit this activity, pull the plug on Misc & random or totally overhaul & bring in new rules.

In the meantime anyone wanting a sterile site with no laughs, no banter & no friendly posting could always look for their bargains somewhere like MSE just as easily as the posters in misc & random could post elsewhere.....!??!?

As Lulu'smammy said...
Its the moaning that gets on my baps... live with a bit of spam, theres much more "serious" problems to moan about, in the world!

Half of the most pointless posts on HUKD are people moaning about stuff that they could just ignore & frequently have nothing productive to bring to a discussion....
#9
Hmm a good point Charles, But I do see how it is frustrating for members who ask questions in Misc which do get missed due to the "spam" threads. Its dishearting when someone totally ignores your thread (if its a help/information thread) as out of the 1000's of posters, Its obvious someone does know something but has either ignored or missed the thread.
#10
Off topic personal attack posts removed, please keep it on track. Thanks.
#11
There again, A sub-forum just for help/information threads wouldn't go a miss.

As it stands its called "Miscellaneous Musings and Random Nonsense" and thats exactly what gets posted, I guess with the new update Paul is sorting out, Possibly stricter rules on posting will also come in?
#12
Iom-RF
Hmm a good point Charles, But I do see how it is frustrating for members who ask questions in Misc which do get missed due to the "spam" threads. Its dishearting when someone totally ignores your thread (if its a help/information thread) as out of the 1000's of posters, Its obvious someone does know something but has either ignored or missed the thread.

By & large the 'troublemakers' are confined to one or 2 threads, which do not push other threads down while they maintain positions within the top 10 threads of that forum.
Other members have now added a couple of additional games that again do not really push others down the list much.

If someone has requested help then it is generally answered fairly quickly by one helpful soul or another & if not it's because either no-one has an answer to their query or there is no-one currently on-line that can answer. If I asked for help, it didn't happen & my request had fallen off the front page I would take responsibility for putting back in the pulic eye.

(Had we still had the use of sigs then quite a few queries could be more easily referred to 'experts' in whichever field was/is most appropriate)
#13
I've got a mixed view then (if you couldn't already tell!), I can see what its like from both sides of the coin, From one side its just harmless chit chat, But from the other its just nonsense which isn't worth reading and it pushes down the help/information threads.

If I wasn't part of the "spamming" lark, Would I be annoyed with all the "spam" threads?, Answer is probably yes, Because if I couldn't benefit from it then it would be a waste of time!/take up threads that could be useful otherwise!

Its called "Miscellaneous Musings and Random Nonsense" and thats whats mostly posted at the moment, I guess the day when that changes is the day when no "spamming" is allowed.......
[helper]#14
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
Half of the most pointless posts on HUKD are people moaning about stuff that they could just ignore & frequently have nothing productive to bring to a discussion....


and the other half are spam threads............

Do you feel that 1 in 5 of the posts on here which is a "hot deals" site (not a social networking site) should be banter?

But like you say its Pauls site......
[mod]#15
I think the main problem is that members feel that this site should be catered 100% towards their tastes and be damned with anything they don't like or agree with.

IMO this is a perfect example of how people are being selfish and those that have a lack of communtiy spirit. :thumbsup:
1 Like #16
gari189
and the other half are spam threads............

Do you feel that 1 in 5 of the posts on here which is a "hot deals" site (not a social networking site) should be banter?

But like you say its Pauls site......

What would have in the Misc & random thread (or is Paul wrong to even have this section when Comments & suggestions deal with the operational running/site issues) ?

Would you outlaw light hearted comments (anything other than purely factual statements about the product or service) on deal threads?

As I've said previously, if there's an issue with the servers then 'we' need to be told...if not then just ignore what you plainly have no interest in.
If I can ignore deals & threads that are not of interest to me, why is that such a challenge to some people?!?!?

Might be worth you adding certain members to the 'ignore' list in your CP?!?
[helper]#17
Syzable
I think the main problem is that members feel that this site should be catered 100% towards their tastes and be damned with anything they don't like or agree with.

IMO this is a perfect example of how people are being selfish and those that have a lack of communtiy spirit. :thumbsup:


This isn't a "community spirit" site - its about the deals. So if someone can't view a deal thread due to all the spam threads - is that fair?

This isn't about being selfish this is about what is this site for - social networking or deals?
[mod]#18
gari189
This isn't a "community spirit" site - its about the deals. So if someone can't view a deal thread due to all the spam threads - is that fair?

This isn't about being selfish this is about what is this site for - social networking or deals?


According to Paul.....he wants a community spirit and he has stated this and on several occasions mentioned this site isn't just for the Deals.

So back to my original point - People who just want the site to fit their needs and be damned with everyone else. :thumbsup:
#19
gari189
This isn't a "community spirit" site - its about the deals. So if someone can't view a deal thread due to all the spam threads - is that fair?

This isn't about being selfish this is about what is this site for - social networking or deals?


Then we obviously need Paul to confirm if this is an issue or not then don't we??!?

Admin, would you be kind enough to let us know if 'our' Misc & Random threads are bringing the site to it's knees?!?!


#20
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
If the Misc & random threads were causing such a problem to the site do you not think Paul/Admin would do something about it such as explaining the situation &/or limiting these threads in some way?!?!


Well... when we had the "dating thread" reach 480 pages and I removed it due to some nasty comments there was an uproar that lasted for over a week and what was contained in one spam thread turned to many. So we decided to leave you guys to it...

Anyway, at the time I explained how the forum will request the thread and find its way to the last page of that thread, which takes up some server time. It's not space which site's have trouble with... it's usually the number of connections to the server and if you're all posting a lout then it could potentially slow it down. There's a lot of things which will slow it down though...

My view, and I believe Paul's said something similar in the past, is that we don't mind banter. We love it. It makes the site feel friendly. Spam threads are OK if it stays in there... the odd comment in other threads is acceptable... but it can start to get annoying when there's lots of pointless threads or when other people's threads get invaded...
[admin]#21
Then we obviously need Paul to confirm if this is an issue or not then don't we??!?

Admin, would you be kind enough to let us know if 'our' Misc & Random threads are bringing the site to it's knees?!?!


Late to this party sorry.

I am not aware that anything in particular in Misc is affecting the servers. Looking at the forum view it is clear that the huge majority of people are in Hot Deals and a small amount in Misc.

I am happy to have chat occurring as long as members understand that is not the main purpose of the site and thus I'm not going to spend a lot of time adding features or improvements to that aspect at the cost of the deal sections. And secondly that if it becomes too much of a hassle in terms of moderation and keeping out inappropriate content then that would have to be reviewed.

As is I don't have a problem with the chat. I think one valid point raised by people is that random chat should be separated from advice/help topics.
#22
duckmagicuk2

Anyway, at the time I explained how the forum will request the thread and find its way to the last page of that thread, which takes up some server time. It's not space which site's have trouble with... it's usually the number of connections to the server and if you're all posting a lout then it could potentially slow it down. There's a lot of things which will slow it down though...

OK, so has the site's growth, the posting of deals, the increase in membership & members logging in/out been in proportion to, greater than or overshadowed the 'growth' of the Misc & random forum??!?!
It's all well & good to say there's more cr#p than there used to be but if there are also more deals being posted & an ever increasing membership then why single out one part of the site that provides & encourages the community spirit that Sy's reminded us Paul wants??!?

Edit - mostly covered by Paul's post above....


#23
Admin
I think one valid point raised by people is that random chat should be separated from advice/help topics.

Which I'm sure you'll agree has been mentioned numerous times before & often by the main users of Misc & random.....
1 Like #24
Sy - C32 - you guys do have a great way with words.

End of the day - its the community that have built the site to what it is - anything is only as good as the people who use it and help it grow. I'm sure Admin would agree to that
#25
I agree with your points Gari, something I've noticed which seems to be on the increase is congratulating people for reaching certain levels of posts which I think is part of the issue. Simply because if people are rewarded for high postcounts, it's going to encourage possibly unnecessary posts. Let's be honest, it's not difficult to type up a post and hit reply...

John
[mod]#26
Well, i'm happy if people prefer for me to take my spam, help and deals elsewhere if that cheers people up? Don't want anyone to feel i'm infringing on their rights to have the site how they feel it must be. :roll:



[SIZE=2]Maybe we should get everyone to post with what they don't like so that the site can specialise in just one thing, forget about the community and what built this site in the first place and the rest of us can all go off somewhere else. Agreed?[/SIZE]
[helper]#27
Admin
As is I don't have a problem with the chat. I think one valid point raised by people is that random chat should be separated from advice/help topics.

A seperate chat forum would be great :thumbsup: and hopefully keep us all happy....
#28
This makes for some really strange reading, Some people have totally ignored points that have been made and only here want you want to hear....

As said, Me personally I like the chat, But I can see the help/more serious threads do get either pushed down the pages, I've said I noticed that, I'm guessing Admins/Mods notice that too, Like I said before its called "Miscellaneous Musings and Random Nonsense" and thats exactly whats posted, Help/information should be elsewhere IMO, Because they aren't "nonsense".
[helper]#29
Its clear from admin that the chat is part of this site but if its in a forum seperated from the help threads then at least they help threads won't be swamped by the spam threads...
#30
Most "spam threads" are self contained and self moderated by the posters, it is in my opinion what makes HUKD one of the best forums of it's type on the net at the moment, however threads such as this whilst having a valid point to a certain extent, do not help the community spirit.

1. If you need help and you haven't got it bump your thread
2. A lot of spam threads are short lived and will disappear within a matter of hours.
3.If you want to help someone try to look further than page 1 as the post may have slipped past you (page 2,3,4 and 5 do exist, honest I've just had a look)
4. A happy shopper spends more money;-)
5. Be happy:)
1 Like #31
Syzable
Well, i'm happy if people prefer for me to take my spam, help and deals elsewhere if that cheers people up? Don't want anyone to feel i'm infringing on their rights to have the site how they feel it must be. :roll:



[SIZE=2]Maybe we should get everyone to post with what they don't like so that the site can specialise in just one thing, forget about the community and what built this site in the first place and the rest of us can all go off somewhere else. Agreed?[/SIZE]


Or perhaps you could just calm the melodrama a little, agreed?

No-one is claiming there is anything wrong with chatting, my simple issue is if people are posting for the sake of it and for no reason (which can be a common issue on forums especially as high post counts are often regarded as a badge of honour) then it can negatively impact the forums for many others. Having seen forums that have been decimated by the problem, I simply don't want to see one of my favourite forums go the same way.

John
[mod]#32
Johnmcl7
Or perhaps you could just calm the melodrama a little, agreed?

No-one is claiming there is anything wrong with chatting, my simple issue is if people are posting for the sake of it and for no reason which can be a common issue on forums especially as high post counts are often regarded as a badge of honour. Having seen forums that have been decimated by the problem, I simply don't want to see one of my favourite forums go the same way.

John


I like the melodrama.........it's always like a soap opera here. :-D

As has been mentioned many times before here, post counts don't mean anything. What i don't understand is if people don't like the nonsense and the spam then why not ignore it. If you don't want to read it then pass it by. I don't really read the Odds Are or Freebie section often but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be here as i'm sure some people enjoy coming here every day to check those sections out.

By the logic displayed in this thread then I should be saying that they shouldn't be here.

Also, spend an hour reading through Hot Deals and just see how much spam goes on in there as well. Most threads go off on a tangent and then return eventually back to the topic.

To be honest i'm fed up of people on this site always moaning about something. I for one won't post deals anymore as until people accept that this site has many different personalities and tastes then i don't feel like contributing to what appears to be a divided site between deal hunters and so called spammers. :thumbsup:
#33
Syzable
I like the melodrama.........it's always like a soap opera here. :-D

As has been mentioned many times before here, post counts don't mean anything.


Except that's not the case at all, post counts *do* mean something here otherwise we wouldn't have congratulations threads for users who pass certain postcounts.

Also, I don't know why you have to degrade the thread with this 'moaning' talk - this is simply a discussion in the appropriate forum, nothing to get upset about.

John
#34
i think we should restrict hot deals and freebies theres too many of them, more spam less deals :thumbsup: :whistling:
lets face it some of the so called spam is more intresting then some of the **** deals that we sometimes get

but also some of the deals u could class as spam
[mod] 1 Like #35
Johnmcl7
Except that's not the case at all, post counts *do* mean something here otherwise we wouldn't have congratulations threads for users who pass certain postcounts.

Also, I don't know why you have to degrade the thread with this 'moaning' talk - this is simply a discussion in the appropriate forum, nothing to get upset about.

John


Because it's part of the fun. Check out the last post to win thread and have a look what the mods are doing................but i suppose that's different. :roll:

And i'm not upset. Just stating that i won't contribute deals anymore as people on here are generally selfish and only after gaining for themselves most of the time and not willing to accept the site for what it is.

It seems to me that people are dividing the site through there own selfish actions. That's fine that that's what people seem to want. Therefore i've picked my side and i'll stick to it. I'll still get the deals but won't contribute.........does that make me selfish? Yes. Does it make me a bad person? Nope it just makes me like the majority. :thumbsup:
#36
Syzable
Because it's part of the fun. Check out the last post to win thread and have a look what the mods are doing................but i suppose that's different. :roll:

And i'm not upset. Just stating that i won't contribute deals anymore as people on here are generally selfish and only after gaining for themselves most of the time and not willing to accept the site for what it is.

It seems to me that people are dividing the site through there own selfish actions. That's fine that that's what people seem to want. Therefore i've picked my side and i'll stick to it. I'll still get the deals but won't contribute.........does that make me selfish? Yes. Does it make me a bad person? Nope it just makes me like the majority. :thumbsup:


I couldn't have put it better myself:thumbsup:
#37
Johnmcl7
Except that's not the case at all, post counts *do* mean something here otherwise we wouldn't have congratulations threads for users who pass certain postcounts.

John


Wasn't there a celebratory thread for your post count recently John???!?

Most(not necessarily all) of the High Count members have actually put quite a bit into this place in terms of deals & help given but it's obviously so much easier to write people off than find out the facts??!?
(Iom's Celebratory threads have now just become a source of irony, sarcasm & sometimes insults)
#38
Nice and tidy again. Hehehe :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

I suppose if and when the 'help' forum comes along, these posts about spam won't come up again, because all the help posts etc will be in there and everybody will know the misc forum is just for spam and drivel.:thumbsup:
#39
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO
(Iom's Celebratory threads have now just become a source of irony, sarcasm & sometimes insults)


Or just another reason for some more chat/banter!! :giggle:
1 Like #40
dinosteveus
Nice and tidy again. Hehehe :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

I suppose if and when the 'help' forum comes along, these posts about spam won't come up again, because all the help posts etc will be in there and everybody will know the misc forum is just for spam and drivel.:thumbsup:

Wouldn't worry Steve.
Sure they'll still be a few hardcore whingers that won't give up without a fight......

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