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#1
100% Behind you on that one m8. Well...not literally you understand... :w00t:

I reported a case of a person selling the same item on 2 separate listings, even had the same picture to proove it! and nothing was done about it at all....totally got blanked.

But yeah, I think its a good idea.
banned#2
most of the time its just stupidity though - and not bothering to read the rules.

You pair know me - I'm all for banning stupidity, and all idiots. However, thats why I'm not a mod! :)
#3
About the same time as you were submitting this thread, you wrote this post:

http://hotukdeals.com/item/356946/showpost.php?p=4623685&postcount=7

I take it some rules are okay to be broken, and some are worthy of a ban, who decides this, you?
You always claim to want consistency, but this seems to depend on who it is. :?
banned#4
thesaint;4630871
About the same time as you were submitting this thread, you wrote this post:

http://hotukdeals.com/item/356946/showpost.php?p=4623685&postcount=7

I take it some rules are okay to be broken, and some are worthy of a ban, who decides this, you?
You always claim to want consistency, but this seems to depend on who it is. :?


not at all....what they were doing was obvious and I think the rules were applied to literally, in that case both parties were agreeing what was going on and were fine with it...but thats just my opinion

HOWEVER

do you not think that was hugely different to trading via PM etc? You think thats ok JUST because its a recognised member?


now Saint please keep any personal remarks for Misc, this is feedback and I'm sure you can be civil in at least 1 forum

I do want consistency, as well you know, but your comment above doesnt mean anything as we are talking hugely different things here. So as I said I think that was ok you now say I want diffferent things for different members?

a deal where the agreed buyer changes their mind and then agrees with the original seller to sell to someone else and someone who contiually ignores HUKD trading rules (selling more than 2 of the same items and trading via PM - Then LYING about it) is a completely different thing. Strike was open and honest about that attempted sale, so was the other user (a newbie btw who maybe you should politely explain the rules too rather than try to crucify them)....shame other members arent so honest isnt it?!


as for your other comment no...I dont decide the rules, neither do you...a fact maybe you should remember
banned#5
thesaint
About the same time as you were submitting this thread, you wrote this post:

http://hotukdeals.com/item/356946/showpost.php?p=4623685&postcount=7

I take it some rules are okay to be broken, and some are worthy of a ban, who decides this, you?
You always claim to want consistency, but this seems to depend on who it is. :?


atttacks against you are exempt from the rules.
#6
ODB_69
not at all....what they were doing was obvious and I think the rules were applied to literally, in that case both parties were agreeing what was going on and were fine with it...but thats just my opinion


Rules are rules, I do not understand what you mean by "too literally", a member was attempting to sell something he didn't have possession of. This is not allowed, it's not a grey area.

ODB_69


HOWEVER

do you not think that was hugely different to trading via PM etc? You think thats ok JUST because its a recognised member?



I have no idea what this question means, as I do not believe I have said anything of the sort.

ODB_69


now Saint please keep any personal remarks for Misc, this is feedback and I'm sure you can be civil in at least 1 forum



What personal remarks? If you believe that there are personal remarks, report my post, and the mods will edit it accordingly, as this is "Feedback" as you point out.

ODB_69


I do want consistency, as well you know, but your comment above doesnt mean anything as we are talking hugely different things here. So as I said I think that was ok you now say I want diffferent things for different members?



You want consistency, but when the rules are broken, you think that they shouldn't be taken literally?

I pointed out two rule breaks (Selling an item that the seller does not have in their possession, and selling an illegal downloaded game), but instead of supporting the rules, you instead call me a childish name?

One rule for all...NO EXCEPTIONS


^^^This:?:
banned#7
i think forum members who flank the same rule time after time should be banned from using the fs boards, although i just seen a member suspended for a 1st time offence, i thought it was a points system, not a suspension on the 1st wrong doing
banned#8
Saint...cant be bothered carrying on with you all the time cause its just not worth it....you get the point I know you do so lets not play this game again

I will say one thing though



I dont think you should pass judgement on any illegally downloaded game...from now on rather than comments about that please just report them. Your comments come across as you taking the moral high ground regarding them which isnt right as not so long ago you lent people items that were for the very purpose of alowing people to use these downloads and you wrote guides on them. I think it would be best for you to only report those rather than pass comment.

In the case of that particular thread the person didnt offer that until very late on near the end of the thread. As they were a new member maybe you should try explaining they canot sell that item therefore giving them the chance to retract that. Your an experienced member with a lot to give new members but your attitude towards new members in FS threads and others is rude and condescending....we all have to start somewhere and you would be a god source for them to learn from
#9
Regardless of how new someone is they should know they cannot sell (or for that matter give away) pirated software!

Tools that have the ability circumvent copy-protection, and knowledge on where to obtain copyright materials, is and are fundamentally different - a legal and moral gray area - but there is no such gray area where selling pirated materials is concerned...
#10
ODB_69
Saint...cant be bothered carrying on with you all the time cause its just not worth it....you get the point I know you do so lets not play this game again


Yet...

ODB_69


I will say one thing though



I dont think you should pass judgement on any illegally downloaded game...from now on rather than comments about that please just report them. Your comments come across as you taking the moral high ground regarding them which isnt right as not so long ago you lent people items that were for the very purpose of alowing people to use these downloads and you wrote guides on them. I think it would be best for you to only report those rather than pass comment.



I can post anything in a thread that is within the rules of HUKD. When I don't, I assure you that the moderators get reports about it, and they take what they believe is the appropriate action.

Whether I do or don't condone illegal activities is neither here nor there, I am mearly underlining the rules on HUKD. Anything I may or may not have written in the way of guides(Viewed by thousands:))I assume has been passed by the moderators as being within the rules of the site at the time of writing, if there something I have done wrong, please report it.

ODB_69


In the case of that particular thread the person didnt offer that until very late on near the end of the thread. As they were a new member maybe you should try explaining they canot sell that item therefore giving them the chance to retract that. Your an experienced member with a lot to give new members but your attitude towards new members in FS threads and others is rude and condescending....we all have to start somewhere and you would be a god source for them to learn from


If you read the thread, I asked for a picture of the game, as the previous seller that was attempting to sell the exact same items said that it was not included.

You can't want the rules enforced to such an extent for an instant ban for some, but let blatant rule breaks go "scot-free" dependant on whom is doing the rule breaks.


From the OP:

One rule for all...NO EXCEPTIONS
#11
Word <-------- the last one and its mine! lol

ODB, you will not get the last word where cirtain other members are concerned weather you are right or wrong.

I think a more valid thread to be created may be "Feedback threads should only be allowed to be answered by moderators??"

Too many opinions flying around by wannabe's meaning moderators get away with doing their jobs thoroughly, and the feedback threads end up not getting an answer from someone in "POWER" lol.

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btw, Hi Rayman
banned#12
I'm of the opinion that the mods do try to be consistent. There's tons of posts and I accept the odd one or two may slip through, perhaps due to the sheer volume of reports.

This place has to be self regulating to a certain extent. It's a bit unfair claiming persons are 'wannabe mod(s)' when all they are doing is pointing out the current rules and regs.

If ever in any doubt, I feel the contact button does work. I've never been ignored yet :thumbsup:
#13
aScottishBloke
I'm of the opinion that the mods do try to be consistent. There's tons of posts and I accept the odd one or two may slip through, perhaps due to the sheer volume of reports.

This place has to be self regulating to a certain extent. It's a bit unfair claiming persons are 'wannabe mod(s)' when all they are doing is pointing out the current rules and regs.

If ever in any doubt, I feel the contact button does work. [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]I've never been ignored yet[/COLOR][/SIZE] :thumbsup:


Proof of favouritism!!! lol



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btw, Hi Rayman
banned#14
DudeyGeeza;4636127
Proof of favouritism!!! lol



Nah, ya bum, lol - I just take the approach that there's a helluva lot of work required to moderate this place. I try to do my bit to assist in reports and raising points for clarity as and when required. :thumbsup:
#15
aScottishBloke
Nah, ya bum, lol - I just take the approach that there's a helluva lot of work required to moderate this place. I try to do my bit to assist in reports and raising points for clarity as and when required. :thumbsup:


dude, I'm a report MONSTER!! Love that button when I see a reason for using it!:thumbsup:

Never used to, but now I've done everything wrong that can be done wrong, thought it was about time I pointed out others that are doing the same..:thumbsup::-D



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btw, Hi Rayman
banned#16
guv;4636171
We'll I don't do the same.

If I see something that might get a report made, I PM the person to tell them they might get a modabee make a report and suggest they edit their post. Done it twice today as it happens - and got thanked for it. I'd much prefer that approach than have someone rubbing their hands because they've managed to get someone suspended. What approach is more helpful in what's supposed to be a forum community?


Guv,

Your intentions are honourable, but all posts in FS/FT have warnings prior to submission. Surely the OP should read thoroughly in the 1st instance or face the consequences should they decide to ignore. Most face a temp suspension at worst, so they have time to get it right next time.
banned#17
guv;4636192
I dont use the FS forum. I am referring to Misc. Twice today I helped someone avoid a suspension from a post made. One was a Sky referral (from a letter he'd got.) I genuinely don't see a problem with it - but since it is, I'd rather members get the benefit of help rather than pleasure from being hit by a stick.

I appreciate we're all different, but that's my take on all this "report" lark. Use it when something serious has happened, not from some petty vindictiveness.


Misc is a different kettle of fish altogether. I appreciate in these circumstances it may seem a little bewildering at times for a poster who is not fully appreciative of the house rules. Perhaps a lack of stickies comes to mind, so yes - commonsense should prevail in appropriate scenarios :thumbsup:
banned#18
guv;4636212
Unfortunately stickies ain't ever gonna happen, which is a shame as innocently falling into an infraction maybe not so inexcusable if they were there.

However, I'm just on a rant ATM, 'cos I'm pretty miffed at someone who seemed to be here to help and not troll, just get banned for helping me. Something that should be encouraged, not punished IMO.


Rant away - I feel the points you make are normally well considered :thumbsup:
banned#19
ok Saint as you want to derail this thread for whatever reason again I'm gonna put it back on track


"ok if you make a mistake but when you knowingly and wilfuly not only break those rules but spit on them then surely it makes sense to realise this person will carry on breaking them and has 99% likely done it before"

whats your point to this? seeing how its quite clear I am talking about people who break it knowing full well multiple times what they are doing (and thats not what Strike was doing)
#20
ODB_69
ok Saint as you want to derail this thread for whatever reason again I'm gonna put it back on track


"ok if you make a mistake but when you knowingly and wilfuly not only break those rules but spit on them then surely it makes sense to realise this person will carry on breaking them and has 99% likely done it before"

whats your point to this? seeing how its quite clear I am talking about people who break it knowing full well multiple times what they are doing (and thats not what Strike was doing)


This is my 1st post on this thread:

thesaint
About the same time as you were submitting this thread, you wrote this post:

http://hotukdeals.com/item/356946/showpost.php?p=4623685&postcount=7

I take it some rules are okay to be broken, and some are worthy of a ban, who decides this, you?
You always claim to want consistency, but this seems to depend on who it is. :?


As you can hopefully see, your OP is calling for a ban on a first offence for certain as yet undisclosed rule breaks.

I wrote that you expect a ban for a first offence, whilst supporting rule breaks that are their to protect us. I quite politely pointed out the rule break initially in the thread that you support, but got jumped upon.

If there are rules, they are to be followed, how do you square ignoring some rules while at the same time wanting instant bans for others?

Can we as members decide which rules we wish to follow, or do we follow all of them?

I asked this in the beginning, but you got side tracked into saying I was making personal remarks(no link provided), saying I supported PM trading,(no links provided) and bringing in my personal views on illegal material(irrelevant).

One rule for all...NO EXCEPTIONS


Should be followed by...


Not literally though
banned#21
Saint like I have said before LEARN TO READ....where have I said FIRST offence????
#22
ODB_69
Saint like I have said before LEARN TO READ....


I can't be bothered, reading is over-rated.

ODB_69
....where have I said FIRST offence????


So you are proposing to bring in a condition that is already there? I support that. :thumbsup:
banned#23
thesaint;4649714

So you are proposing to bring in a condition that is already there? I support that. :thumbsup:


its not though


a member who full well knows the rules has already tried to sell more than 2 items and denied it...then gets caught dealing by PM and denied it...been caught by mods, infracted, suspended...why not given a perm selling ban?? They arent just making errors etc they are deliberately ignoring the rules
#24
ODB_69
its not though


a member who full well knows the rules has already tried to sell more than 2 items and denied it...then gets caught dealing by PM and denied it...been caught by mods, infracted, suspended...why not given a perm selling ban?? They arent just making errors etc they are deliberately ignoring the rules


It seems like someone you don't like has broke the rules, and this thread has stemmed from that?

When the rules are pointed out, and members choose to ignore them, and pour scorn on those that have pointed out the rules, whilst still attempting to circumvent the rules, are they to be banned too?

From what you have written in this thread, and the one I linked to in my first post in the thread, appear to be entirely contradictory, and dependant on who is doing the rule breaking, and who points it out.

One rule for all...NO EXCEPTIONS
banned#25
thesaint;4650193
It seems like someone you don't like has broke the rules, and this thread has stemmed from that?

When the rules are pointed out, and members choose to ignore them, and pour scorn on those that have pointed out the rules, whilst still attempting to circumvent the rules, are they to be banned too?

From what you have written in this thread, and the one I linked to in my first post in the thread, appear to be entirely contradictory, and dependant on who is doing the rule breaking, and who points it out.


No Saint....wouldnt matter if it was someone I liked or not, thats wrong and I would be all for whoever to get a perm selling ban


you just dont like this cause its someone your friends with! same as when you try and get members banned who you dont like or come up with some ridiculous excuse to spam certain members threads cause again, you dont like them. So dont accuse me of something you do more than any other member

you mention that thread time and time again yet you still ignore the main part of this...

odb_69
ok if you make a mistake but when you knowingly and wilfuly not only break those rules but spit on them


I await the Link where you prove Strike knew ful well what he was doing and did it wilfully :)


as for:

thesaint;4650193
When the rules are pointed out, and members choose to ignore them, and pour scorn on those that have pointed out the rules, whilst still attempting to circumvent the rules, are they to be banned too?


congratulations....thats possibly one of THE stupidest things you have ever come out with

tell you what though....did remind me of that time you admitted make up reasons for spamming to get away with it (I'd find the link but cba)


believe it or not this thread aint about you...yet you have totally destroyed it and you wonder why Admin dont post when you reduce everything to a slanging match but then deny your doing it
#26
ODB_69


believe it or not this thread aint about you...yet you have totally destroyed it and you wonder why Admin dont post when you reduce everything to a slanging match but then deny your doing it


You can either believe me or not, but I had no idea that this thread was in relation to a particular member until tonight.
Rules are rules, I support them, you are choosy.

Threads in "Feedback" started to get another member banned/suspended rarely get Admin's reply.

I promise that this is my last post in this thread.

One rule for all...NO EXCEPTIONS
banned#27
thesaint
You can either believe me or not, but I had no idea that this thread was in relation to a particular member until tonight.
Rules are rules, I support them, you are choosy.

Threads in "Feedback" started to get another member banned/suspended rarely get Admin's reply.

I promise that this is my last post in this thread.

Thank god for that. You really are a boring ****
banned#28
thesaint;4650462
You can either believe me or not, but I had no idea that this thread was in relation to a particular member until tonight.
Rules are rules, I support them, you are choosy.

Threads in "Feedback" started to get another member banned/suspended rarely get Admin's reply.

I promise that this is my last post in this thread.


yet again LEARN TO READ

there not to get a member banned/suspended....however it is about having them and anyone else doing this given a trading ban

you knew full well who it was about cause I already said something when I first started this thread sp thats a fat lie....I'm not choosy at al its about people doing things on purpose not by accident. So cause I say Strike's thing was accidental ie wasnt aware of the rules) then I'm choosy?

as for the one thing you continually quote, I stand by that....obviously somone with your intellect just sees what they want to see but when you learn to read and stop being so moronic about things maybe you'll get it too cause the point has been clearly stated numerous times but you STILL dont get it (which isnt at all true as we know you get it, your just doing your usual to turn things differently)

the pointy hat and chair are waiting in the corner for you :thumbsup:
#29
ODB_69
ok if you make a mistake but when you knowingly and wilfuly not only break those rules but spit on them then surely it makes sense to realise this person will carry on breaking them and has 99% likely done it before


how can you tell the difference oh wise one?
banned#30
Smeagol<3sDeagol;4738086
how can you tell the difference oh wise one?


when they do it multiple times!!!
banned#31
ODB_69
when they do it multiple times!!!


Anyone for chocolates?

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