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#1
I dont think theres a need at all on this sort of forum. Religion just gets in the way and divides individuals into groups
[admin]#2
Can you please refine what you mean. No mention of religion or anything religiously connected?
banned#3
I cant see why any topic needs banning from HUKD

OP could you not add a poll?
[admin]#4
OP could you not add a poll?


I'm looking for members thoughts and discussion not a vote.
banned#5
Admin
I'm looking for members thoughts and discussion not a vote.

In that case you've had mine :-D
#6
i think you should let people talk about it but people should know what is offensive and wats not. you cant just ban talking about christmas or eid or anyother religous celebration.
#7
Not unless you want to give everyone the same right to voice their opinion on the matters, regardless of wether it's politically correct or not, or wether someone might take offense (someone always does) and without fear of being flamed.
#8
I dont believe topics should be made on religious discussion. it would be nice to think that it would be fine and people would deal with such topics in an adult way. Religion is a very personal thing though and the very nature of it means that people rarely listen to any form of reason and a simple discussion is likely to get heated quickly.

Im not going to say ban any topic with mention of faith in it but i do think that a level of moderation is needed to stop leading debates which are likely to kick off
#9
I'll say this, before you lock up again

This country in the main, remains Christian, with a Protestant head of state. We have national holidays, for Easter, Christmas etc, not (yet) for other religions.

Based on the fact, this site is hotUKdeals, and is based in the main at UK members, plus the quoted T&Cs about not offending folks on the basis of religion, i would NOT allow discussion on religion cos simply put, there are too many folks who offend, or are easily offended and religion and racial tension are always gonna cause spectularly polarised views

Given everytime i have posted on here of late about religion and race my views have been censored, chided or removed, this is the one time i will post about it, but allowing it Paul, is asking for trouble.

Like i said, religion in this country is still Christian based.....
#10
well for example someone made a topic telling people about a website which translated the quran and at the bottom he said and ramadhan mubarak. now the topic was a free website and then people started talking about ramadan. now it was fine until some people started questioning islam and asking why muslims dont eat this or drinks this. we answered the questions which was fine but then the comments started to be offensive like "i think fasting is stupid" which i think really isnt appropriate.
[admin]#11
boydent999 - I think this country actually has a separation of church and state and rather than legislating morality we are supposed to respect people of ALL faiths, not just Chistians even if the leaders of this country may "officially" endorse Christianity.
#12
But you know as well as i do Paul, for legislative reasons, the monarch still has statute absolute power of authority in this country, state, governmental etc, and she is the head of the church is she not? that is semi-rhetorical cos i cannot remember if she still is
[admin]#13

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[COLOR=black]Should HUKD allow mention or discussion of religion or anything religion related [/COLOR]
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Black and white? Really? How so? Can we talk about Christmas gifts? How about taking off work for Sundays? Easter holidays? Marriage? Deals for Easter chocolate eggs? Christmas trees? Santa Claus?

Edit: The Red Cross? gefillte fish? the foundation of the USA? Where Tony Blair goes on Sunday? Guy Fawkes day?

Just trying to show I don't think it's black and white. There's a discussion point yeah but black and white I have a hard time with.
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[admin]#14
But you know as well as i do Paul, for legislative reasons, the monarch still has statute absolute power of authority in this country, state, governmental etc, and she is the head of the church is she not? that is semi-rhetorical cos i cannot remember if she still is


Yeah that's what I meant by officially endorsed. I was just reacting against any idea that what the monarchy "believes" should have any effect on the type of discussion we engage in or the level of respect we give to any other religion. (not that you were saying that)
#15
I dont think it should be allowed, talking about this type of thing is asking for trouble.
#16
Admin
Black and white? Really? How so? Can we talk about Christmas gifts? How about taking off work for Sundays? Easter holidays? Marriage? Deals for Easter chocolate eggs? Christmas trees? Santa Claus?
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Black and white as in yes or no to your question.
You asked a question and I said NO.
[admin]#17
Black and white as in yes or no to your question.
You asked a question and I said NO.


Yes I got that. So you would say none of the things I mentioned should be allowed? They are all religiously related in quite strong ways. I'm leading the question obviously because I"m assuming you can't agree with that...and that's really my question...where do you draw the line and how then?
#18
Can't get away from it Paul, that's how it is though, right or wrong the lad, sorry if that's not what you wanted. Like i say, i have said my piece, i thank you for allowing some discussion, honestly cos i was getting fed up of being moderated, but i know you have a tough choice to make......
#19
Paul, all of what you mentioned, or the majority of them, are British Traditions and/or Christian Events, as i have said, in a Christian majority country. I don't nor does the majority of the country celebrate for example, Eid. (Sorry to "pick on" that day, just came into my head, and is easy to spell). Perhaps when we do, and it is inevitable we will, perhaps then we can see we have more of an open society but we don't, it is still a divided nation alas and folks don't mix well in certain areas.

You are playing a dangerously divisive card here. Folks are polarised and getting fed up......
[mod]#20
I think it's fine to talk about it as i believe the majority are actually adult enough to have a proper conversation.

Unfortunately there are the childish few on here that like to stir up trouble and post to try to get a rise out of people or cause conflict because that is the highlight of their day.
#21
Syzable
Unfortunately there are the childish few on here that like to stir up trouble and post to try to get a rise out of people or cause conflict because that is the highlight of their day.
Like who? That's quite a statement to make :? Anyone you wanna name names?
[mod]#22
boydent999
Like who? That's quite a statement to make :? Anyone you wanna name names?


This isn't about naming names..........unless you are also trying to stir up trouble? But it doesn't take a genius to notice what happens everytime religion/race/sexuality is mentioned......same people, same prejudice and same name calling every time.
#23
Syzable
This isn't about naming names..........unless you are also trying to stir up trouble? But it doesn't take a genius to notice what happens everytime religion/race/sexuality is mentioned......same people, same prejudice and same name calling every time.
Not for stirring trouble at all, i am above that i hope, unless you mean me in your list. But your comments are clearly aimed at a selected group :?
[mod]#24
boydent999
Not for stirring trouble at all, i am above that i hope, unless you mean me in your list. But your comments are clearly aimed at a selected group :?


Off course they are. I've been here for a long time and you notice the same names cropping up everytime things get heated and threads get locked/deleted. I personally have nothing against these people, i just don't agree with the way the word their opinions. It's not a case of 'thanks for your input but i believe this.......' it's more along the lines of 'No, you're wrong, it's because of this race this is happening etc.'

I find that hard to believe myself and if it's true then as a white British person, by their logic after reading the paper this week i must be either a bank robber, rapist, paedophile etc as that's what i've seen in the paper and therefore as my ethnicticity matches i must be the same. :-(

I'm not here for an argument, i'm just passing through. All i want to say is i used to be a regular poster on here but due to the way the whole forum dynamic has shifted of late then that is no longer the case and i've moved to pastures new for the majority of my time on the net.
#25
Tbh Syzable, i know what ya mean about the site changing of late. Given your post count, you clearly at least once upon a time enjoyed it here, shame you feel that way.
I am worried lol, cos all of my threads have been locked of late too; guilty conscience? not sure lol
For the record, i am not lookin for an argument either but this is clearly summat that needs addressing on here, as you said, in a grown up way.....
#26
My belief is that everyone is equal and deserves to me treated that way regardless of race, religon sexuality etc etc.

Why shouldn't we talk about it? We should all be old enough, wise enough and responsible for our own actions and words. Take accountability for what you say and how you phrase it - if you have second doubts before pressing Post Reply don't post at all. There are some people on here who are very good at getting there points across, and others who tend to struggle more.

Anyway I'm rambling......

Its good to know how "the other side" (if you like) live and I fully support the posts regarding to this - providing they don't turn into some "this is the way we should live and this is how we do it so tough" threads.
[admin]#27
Paul, all of what you mentioned, or the majority of them, are British Traditions and/or Christian Events, as i have said, in a Christian majority country.


I don't see why that should affect the mention of other people's religious belief or religious holidays.

One thing for certain is that there is no way I am going to discriminate content based on religion (i.e. allow conversation about Christmas but not about Hanukkah).

To be honest, the only issue here is one of respect. And there has been a lack of genuine respect for people of faith on this site and I do not think that is appropriate and it is definitely not acceptable in this community.

I want to be careful saying what my opinion of the situation is as I don't want to start any arguments based on how we "feel". However, I do feel that there is trend of false naivety and innocence about the motivations or ideology behind much of the posting recently. This is not an issue of political correctness or freedom of speech it is an issue of fundamental respect for other people, their beliefs and their customs.
#28
I dont really mind it but i think personal discussions should not be allowed like when people get offensive and make jokes, otherwise i dont mind it because religion is a good topic to discuss about learnt a lot from it.
1 Like #29
Kinda tricky as several people have pointed out.

Option one - Ban all Religious based threads
Should we need to be stopped from having an adult & informed discussion because some people cannot be adult & are on occasion, not informed?

Option two - Allow these threads to tie up (potentially) a lot of Moderator's time on what is a miscellaneous thread & leave them &/or the site open to claims of 'religious favoritism' should their judgement calls come into question?

If such threads were banned would intolerance dissappear or would it re-surface on the first ethic/religious minority deal thread...of course it wouldn't...we've had kick-offs about Bollywood films on deals before now!!?!?

Personally I guess I would say that it'd be nice if people could start a thread & if others didn't like it then they'd just move on to another but if people can argue & complain about stuff as petty as whether a Tesco's 2 for 1 should be posted, then I don't hold out much hope for any kind of adult conversation on any serious subject.......
#30
Admin
One thing for certain is that there is no way I am going to discriminate content based on religion (i.e. allow conversation about Christmas but not about Hanukkah).
What was the point of this thread then? :?
You asked the question, clearly a loaded one, with an answer of "yes" in your head.....thanks for wasting my time answering a question i couldn't influence. That really isn't nice, but as you always say, your site, don't like it, close the door on the way out......
[admin]#31
The point of the thread is to lay this right out in the open to show it is a loaded question boydent999. People were saying we shouldn't allow any religious related discussion in passing as if it were an option that didn't carry their own religious bias. So let's talk about if it really is an option pure and simple.

As I understood your suggestion was to allow discussion about Christianity but not other religions. I don't think that's an acceptable compromise.
#32
boydent999
What was the point of this thread then? :?
You asked the question, clearly a loaded one, with an answer of "yes" in your head.....thanks for wasting my time answering a question i couldn't influence. That really isn't nice, but as you always say, your site, don't like it, close the door on the way out......


I think the 'point' of the thread is paul wanted to see if there should be ANY discussion on the subject of religeon not just one particular one be it the majority or not.
Also I think just maybe he was seeing if this subject could be discussed in a calm and grown up manner.

Edit: sorry paul you had already answered
#33
I think it should be allowed. There are always going to be problems when religion is brought up anywhere in life as there are always some idiots, however in this instance we are on a message board that is heavily moderated, so if someone goes too far they can have their posts deleted / accounts locked = problem solved.
#34
Paul, I'm thinking out loud so allow me to ramble but would it not be possible to have a new mod JUST to purely moderate the Thread's like this - someone who you know/appears to play fair and would do the job the way you would expect? That way Emma, Ray and the rest could concentrate on what they need to do without "babysitting" the people who can't play nicely and have an appropiate adult discussion
#35
Admin
The point of the thread is to lay this right out in the open to show it is a loaded question boydent999. People were saying we shouldn't allow any religious related discussion in passing as if it were an option that didn't carry their own religious bias. So let's talk about if it really is an option pure and simple.

As I understood your suggestion was to allow discussion about Christianity but not other religions. I don't think that's an acceptable compromise.

boydent999
... i would NOT allow discussion on religion
I said no religion and qualified it by saying this was a Christian country. I said there should be no discussion on religion

No one, aside from you and i in the main are discussing it, that's hardly of any use is it? Shove it in the misc section.....

If you're already so steadfast anyways, i don't see much point, it's like talking to a brick wall :-(
[helper] 2 Likes #36
I agree with Sy and Charlie it would be good to have these discussions and that if you ban the topic it would just surface elsewhere

Rather than ban the topics why not temporarily ban those posters who consistently try and stir things up and ignore the rule about respecting others?
#37
gari189
I agree with Sy and Charlie it would be good to have these discussions and that if you ban the topic it would just surface elsewhere

Rather than ban the topics why not temporarily ban those posters who consistently try and stir things up and ignore the rule about respecting others?



IMO a warning and then a temp ban would be the best option.
[helper]#38
I know you're going to hate this answer Dino but as with everything on this site the final decision on what is and isn't acceptable is up to Admin and the mods.......

Its not up to me.

As Sy mentioned in another thread its Admin's site......
banned#39
dinosteveus
Yes, but who are these Members?
My beliefs are different to yours, if you post that you like Labour and I disagree with you, why should I get a Ban or Warning?

Im not sure its about having different ideas, views, beliefs, its the way they are being posted, and sadly alot of other posts go because im sure admin nor mods have time to sift through them
[admin]#40
dinosteveus as I said it has nothing to do with disagreeing with people's beliefs or opinions. It has to do with respect for other people's beliefs or opinions and how it is discussed.

If someone likes Labour and you don't first of all I don't see why you would bother saying "I don't like Labour". So let's just presume its on topic and in a thread called "Why I'm voting Labour". You reply and say "Labour is rubbish and you're an idiot for voting Labour". To me that's unacceptable. If you reply and say in "In xxxx Labour said blah but then in yyyy they did halb and thus I have a hard time believing their promises and would prefer not to give them my support" then what would be the problem with that?? You've expressed your "different belief" and that's fine.

Again the point is not that anyone is restriction your "different belief" or being "politically correct" it's simply that posts or members which do not respect other members different beliefs need to straighten themselves out or find another forum to post their "opinions" on.

If members cannot distinguish that line then it will be distinguished for them through a warning or a ban.

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