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#1
i think if thats what ppl wanna talk about let them if you dont like it dont get involved
#2
for gods sake yes
#3
Not sure, but chat about religious chat, that should definitely be banned
#4
I don't think it has a place on a 'deals' forum

Plenty of other places to discuss this highly emotive issue

Football on the other hand............welcome to Derby Nigel!
#5
Thats why there is a Misc forum....how the discussion takes place is a different story, but to ban it would be oppressive.
#6
Mijooly
I don't think it has a place on a 'deals' forum

Plenty of other places to discuss this highly emotive issue

Football on the other hand............welcome to Derby Nigel!


top man top club he is a ram just like his dad
banned#7
no just ban those that cannot discuss it rationally, you can usually spot them, they call themselves the intelligent ones
[helper]#8
I'd rather have discussions about religion, rather than threads which are basically ego trips.....
banned#9
gari189;3974854
I'd rather have discussions about religion, rather than threads which are basically ego trips.....


+1
#10
sassie
no just ban those that cannot discuss it rationally, you can usually spot them, they call themselves the intelligent ones


Lot to be said for that viewpoint Sassie :thumbsup:

I'd rather have discussions about religion, rather than threads which are basically ego trips.....


And yours to Gari. :thumbsup:
#11
gari189
I'd rather have discussions about religion, rather than threads which are basically ego trips.....

the ego ones have a lot of hype and prob make the site so popular.

But anyway I think if the misc was spilt up into serious and non serious sections, that topics like religion/war/politics would not go off topic as much leading to people getting suspended :-(
banned#12
No they should just ban chat. And the Misc forum
3 Likes #13
black gerbil1
the ego ones have a lot of hype and prob make the site so popular.



Probably the most ridiculous statement you have ever made BG and that's saying something.

The site is so popular because it provides a unique service for finding deals, vouchers, FS/FT etc.

At the time of writing this there were over 11,500 people viewing the site and I wouldn't mind betting only a small percentage of those even looked at the Misc. let alone read the egotistical rubbish that so often clogs up the forum.

You might well be a legend in your own lunchtime BG but I think you'll find others have a far more discerning palate.
banned#14
hottoshop
Probably the most ridiculous statement you have ever made BG and that's saying something.

The site is so popular because it provides a unique service for finding deals, vouchers, FS/FT etc.

At the time of writing this there were over 11,500 people viewing the site and I wouldn't mind betting only a small percentage of those even looked at the Misc. let alone read the egotistical rubbish that so often clogs up the forum.

You might well be a legend in your own lunchtime BG but I think you'll find others have a far more discerning palate.


Spot on.
#15
I think if the forum was split into two sections, it would have a psychological effect on the members, they would not post "fail pics" or other funny pics in serious threads if there was a serious section.
#16
but then you would have to ban people talking about easter and xmas as they are "religeous" holidays
#17
ilovepink
but then you would have to ban people talking about easter and xmas as they are "religeous" holidays


Good point, but OP mentions arguments about religion theres no point everyone beating around the bush and just say arguments only happen when Islam is mentioned?
#18
Naeem786
Good point, but OP mentions arguments about religion theres no point everyone beating around the bush and just say arguments only happen when Islam is mentioned?

Bottom line is some people cannot have a debate without throwing there toys out the cot and being abusive. I rarely get involved in these types of threads now.

We need Lilddle o me back to lead the charge, now theres a man who could make some good threads.
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gari189
I'd rather have discussions about religion, rather than threads which are basically ego trips.....


+2

This is the internet, no-one really gets hurt here. I could brutally offend you now, and it's going to have no repercussions on my professional or social life, just on a website that I can easily get out of by clicking the little X in the top right corner. So for those that enjoy a debate, this is the perfect place for us to test ideas and to acquaint themselves with what the other party might say, making us simultaneously stronger in debate, and less likely to cause any real-world upset. Online debate is a good thing. It's a shame that some people take things too far and get upset by it, but then, they're learning too, and doing it online is the safest way.
#20
black gerbil1
Bottom line is some people cannot have a debate without throwing there toys out the cot and being abusive. I rarely get involved in these types of threads now.

We need Lilddle o me back to lead the charge, now theres a man who could make some good threads.


People are stereo typical and brand everyone related to a certain religion the same so in the topic its gets assaultive and abusive to members which fit into that category!!
#21
Naeem786
People are stereo typical and brand everyone related to a certain religion the same so in the topic its gets assaultive and abusive to members which fit into that category!!


SOME people are like that, but then some people take things out of context and things get their backs up when theres really no need to
banned#22
wish they would ban cadburys caramel bars :oops:
[helper]#23
Its not the topic that causes the problem but the lack of restraint or the lack of ability to control ones temper.

Everyone feels very strongly about something. If you know you cannot discuss a topic without getting angry or heated then one should avoid the thread. If you can discuss a topic calmly, without anger then it is good to have such threads.

Its not the subject that is the problem - it is members who cannot control their tempers or who deliberately set out to offend others
#24
gari189
Its not the subject that is the problem - it is members who cannot control their tempers or who deliberately set out to offend others

or who are easily offended/believe they should be immune from criticism and that the world should consider whatever their wacky beliefs are as sacrosanct? :)

I'd not "ban" religious chat - bans are silly things - I would, however, discourage it much as I'd discourage topics like the Welsh language or Racism - because they never lead anywhere positive ;)

p.s. I note this topic was started by someone who's avatar "takes sides" in the Israeli/Palestine dispute - which is really quite amusing and it suggests a fairly high chance they are Jewish - or am I not allowed to suggest that now? :):)
#25
therealjohnpeat
p.s. I note this topic was started by someone who's avatar "takes sides" in the Israeli/Palestine dispute - which is really quite amusing and it suggests a fairly high chance they are Jewish - or am I not allowed to suggest that now? :):)



your suggestion is totally inaccurate i am in fact Catholic but not practising but marired to a buddhist and would rather lean that way

oh and suggesting if i am jewish maybe isn't allowed because i was suspended for asking someone if they were palestinan or muslim

as for my avatar it doesnt take sides if you can read it does say peace to israel and palestine which is what I stand for
#26
and there we have the problem in a nutshell - you can't talk about one of the most significant issues in the world without invoking religion/race and this is why I disagree with bans because it stifles discussion of serious issues (assuming you want discussion of such issues on a bragin hunting/trading forum anyway!)

It's very much as people have already said - it's more important that people enter discussions only if they can make their point without being upset by - or deliberately baiting - others.

If I were to highlight that your avatar is far from unbiased (which it is) then I suspect you'd become defensive and probably ask me if i was a Muslim or Arab - I believe I would provoke you if I said that Israel is a terrorist state with no right to the land it occupies and I think it's unlikely you'd respond in a calm or reasoned manner??

If you couldn't - it's a classic case of a discussion you need to keep out of - and that's what the rule should be - self regulation - not bans...

and I probably need to keep out of it too :)
#27
Good point ^^^^^ Its when certain religion's or should I say religion is mentioned that it kicks off and the OP has created this clearly based on that, as everyone knows the discussions that have been going on about Israel and Palestine!! I see alot of it on here that when the members which are clearly are surrounded by members like flies around **** and encourage them to reply with remarks which they have been trying to acheive and when they do get "Suspended" and the ones that cause nothing happens to them, why?
#28
guv
So why do you think its just a "certain religion" that causes this issue and problem? I never notice any members posting about any other religion. Do you think that could be the reason? What religion are the majority of the posters that create these threads? Hardly a coincidence.

I might get involved in the discussion, but to date have never created a thread. I've noticed you have created quite a few. Some are completely religion based, others simply to slate the US.

Personally I'd rather not see ANY threads of this nature, but if they must exist, then you must accept people will have different views to your own.

As for "seeing a lot of it on here" and people being suspended, ask yourself if posting things like "Kill all Jews" and "Destroy Israel" is an acceptable thing for this forum? People who post this sort of thing can have no complaints when they get banned.

You've been very vocal in this thread, as you appear to be in all these discussions. Maybe you should step back a little and examine if perhaps you are guilty of what you are accusing others of?


When members say comments like you have highlighted are bad and not acceptable!! How have I tried to salte the US with the threads made by me? Everyone has their own views but you can deny that certain religion caused trouble, for instance I remember someone asked about learning Arabic and comments were made about terrorists and suicide bombing and when another one was created to learn Spanish everyone was helpful, now you cant tell me thats causing hatred? I also contribute to these as like to put my point across as you have pointed some members cannot do this in a appropriate manner!!

BTW This is feedback and should not be discussing this and also though might be safe here from you, lol!!
#29
Someone chiming in at this point with a Star of David avatar is the funniest thing I've seen on any forum since forever - I really should have replied with a picture of a suicide bomber as my avatar - just for 'balance' :)

End of the day I'm sure the HUKD people don't want to have to referee topics as hot as this so perhaps it's best if there is a rule which simply forbids discussion of anything likely to end up as a race/religious issue becuase people cannot do this without resorting to antagonism and abuse.

I'd love to say that discussion and reasoned argument would be AOK but this is the Internet and that never happens - hell 3 pages of this thread prove that - so...
#30
if religious people wanna do their bit for the war and whatever they should pray for them instead of arguing on an interent forum :roll:

some of the arguements are just long and pointless i dont bother reading them cos they certainly dont change anything in the world! theres enough war in the real world without having wars on the internet

i dont think religious chats should be banned but people should just be tolerant of each other without stirring things up! thats my two cents :)
1 Like #31
guv
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/305352/the-world-is-so-messed-up/
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/265369/america-gets-it-wrong-again/
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/289639/top-uk-radio-dj-steve-sutherland-su/
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/274281/another-bbc-radio-presenter-in-trou/

Are just a few. I know there were a fair few more (probably removed by mods) - including many jokes about George Bush.

And this is feedback as you say - the thread has been created for views on postings made on the subject. Just pointing out if you post what can be considered a tad provocative, it may get a reaction. The question is, was that the purpose? Fair enough it you say it wasnt the intention.

As for your example on someone asking about learning Spanish or Arabic, I do remember the later. Yes there were stupid comments posted, (none from me). In fact the OP left rep for the assistance given . Its not right for that to happen, but the people making the remarks got suspended.

Like I said earlier, personally, I'd prefer the threads werent posted. But if they are deemed acceptable, then peoples views are valid providing they do not cross the line.


I posted jokes about George Bush? Also them threads how are they to cause arguments? The people were all in the wrong so whats so complicated about that? The purpose of them threads was....The outcome that actually happened!! Which was that Religion cannot be discussed especailly if it rrlates to Muslims as some threads included Muslim people!! :thumbsup:
1 Like #32
guv
Now there's the thing. Do you have something against Jews or just Israel? Did you LOL at the Palestinian flags or was this LOL just reserved for this flag?

I find the idea of such blatant flag waving (yours, his or anyone else's - actual, metaphorical or political), on a forum intended to get people a cheaper packet of crisps, rather amusing - is all...

I guess I'm used to discussions with people who vary from "on the fence" to "a bit partisan" - I didn't realise this was a breeding ground for radicals and their need to blaze their beliefs and opinons at every opportunity (even when telling people about cheap crisps!!)

A Star of David (or Palestinian flag) in your avatar says to me that you're possibly not here to "discuss" certain topics at all and that you're possibly someone who will immediate assume everyone else is similarly pro- or anti-cause and that their opinions are to be attacked or ridiculed purely based on where they obviously support you or not.

That's not discussion y'see.
#33

Those threads COULD be sensibly discussed so long as people enter the discussion with something of an open mind (including the OP) - but there is a hint of the OP wanting to wave a flag or promote a cause rather than just stimulate discussion.

Jokes about George Bush tho - half puppet of some of the most selfish and greedy people alive and half retarded-baboon in a suit - open season I'd say!! :)
#34
In all honesty it's clear Naseem would like to promote what he see's as western/anti-arab bias in the media and in foreign policy in general - he's clearly angry about it and he's not alone I'm sure.

A discussion is started by someone who's willing to be convinced either way tho - someone who starts a thread with already entrenched views is really starting an argument - and avatars can be clear signs of such things whether they're from the OP or anyone else who contributes.

The Palestinian flag makes someone's position quite obvious - but a Star of David is MUCH more complex because not everyone realises the complexities of Jewishness in terms of it's racial, cultural and religious separation let alone issues such as Zionism and/or the Israeli State - so people tend to lump it all together in one bufuddled mess and then agree with it or throw stones at it.

We're WAY OT here now and I still don't think we should ban anything but that greater emphasis should be placed on people coming to DISCUSS things and not to force their views and/or attack the views of others on any issue.

This would even cover people who constantly vote Cold on HDDs which aren't big enough for them - and GET THEM BANNED - YEAH! :):):):)
#35
free speech. if its get too much then walk away from ur computer/turn ur laptop off.....

http://www.wisemouseboy.com/gallery2/d/3790-2/internet_serious_business_framed.jpg
#36
magicbeans
free speech. if its get too much then walk away from ur computer/turn ur laptop off.....


lol...Free speech is alright to slate someone elses religion well mainly Islam? If you are religous you would stick up for own religion which is norm aint it? I can truely say I am proud of my religion I have grown up in and yes I will argue with any which makes a mockery of it, wouldnt you? I know this is the Internet but you sometimes you have to do it!!
#37
Naeem786
lol...Free speech is alright to slate someone elses religion well mainly Islam? If you are religous you would stick up for own religion which is norm aint it? I can truely say I am proud of my religion I have grown up in and yes I will argue with any which makes a mockery of it, wouldnt you? I know this is the Internet but you sometimes you have to do it!!


i defo would defo would stick up for my religion (islam)....to a point....its also futile trying to hammer home a point to a bunch of kids on he net or people who just are not gonna listen and are gonna only be egged on by any comments u make..... if it looks like its not worth it then why drag Islam down into these petty fights as well...thats my opinion:)

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