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#1
I agree. I have often looked at deals, thought they were fine but they've been voted cold. If there's something I'm missing I'd like to know. And Yes, just by posting deals we are all trying to help each other and I find some comments that people make quite rude too. An explanation of why you're voting cold is all it takes. :roll:
#2
A dropdown could be a step in the right direction.

It can be a bit frustrating when a new deal descends with no feedback... where is the better price for the public?

I'm not sure how heat/rep affects users... but if it is a competitive thing, then that could explain it. Putting out one candle, to try and make your own burn brighter? Personally, I'm not bothered if people hate a deal. I just think that the more data that goes in the better, and a negative click doesn't really tell much.

I'd be curious to see usage stats, which users have voted the most deals cold and hot etc. What percentage were deals by which other users.
#3
No we should not have to give a reason. We don't have to give reasons for voting hot or warm do we.

I have done in the past and the thread just got into a mess on why I should not have voted cold instead of concentrating on the deal itself.
#4
You might think it is worth it I might think it`s a crock. Why? Who can say.
I cannot stand all the games but it is useful to some one. I also get annoyed at the save 50p on a packet of cornflakes. I don`t thing they are hot deals therefore if I feel this way I can vote or abstain. Deals I thought good others thought rubbish it is subjective to the individual
#5
The stats could be kept on another tab.
A dropdown and then a click is only a little extra effort.
Comments on voting could even be on a thread beneath the stats instead of in the main.

Without the info, many threads descend into... 'why is this thread being voted cold?' anyway
#6
"I'm not sure how heat/rep affects users... but if it is a competitive thing, then that could explain it. Putting out one candle, to try and make your own burn brighter?"

I genuinely believe this is true, have experienced it myself. 2 similar products where the other deal poster sabotaged my own by running down my porduct and promoting theirs. Ultimately I feel 'some' users try and slate another users efforts to their own gain.

However the majority are not that way inclined thankfully!!

Maybe the voting of hot could indicate:

Hot - wish I had waited and got it at this price
Hot - will go out and get this deal, it's great
Hot - would not buy at this time but is a good deal

Warm - deal ok but not outstanding

cold - cheaper elsewhere
cold - out of stock
cold - load of old tat????!!!!

Just an idea?
#7
Although thinking about it... it's like any Popular chart. Buy or don't buy, majority rules. It would be funny, but interesting, if every purchase required justification of why.

And at Number One we have who had 157,000 sales, with 32% buying because they liked the bands hair...
#8
LOL there could be a weekly leader board, maybe listed by a top DJ..... The 'DEAL JUSTIFIER'!!!!
#9
I tend to agree that as frustrating as it is, it's not really something that you can force people to do.

What bugs me even more than the cold voting, is when people actually post their reason for voting cold as "You can get this cheaper elsewhere, so I'm voting this cold." but then don't have the decency to say where you can get it cheaper from. Personally, I think this should be a banning offense. :p
#10
I think that a reason should be given. If a member has taken the time to post a thread it has taken him/her some effort to do so. There is nothing worse as a thread starter to find negative comments when you believed what you were offering was a good thing.
#11
Is there a guide on voting and reputation anywhere? It took me a while to become aware of it's existence but I get the idea behind it and the basics now, I just get the impression there's more to it than I know - eg, How have I got a blue entry in my reputation? Is that negative? :thinking:
banned#12
i agree completely.

when i have given reasons, i just get abuse back.
#13
T--J
Is there a guide on voting and reputation anywhere? It took me a while to become aware of it's existence but I get the idea behind it and the basics now, I just get the impression there's more to it than I know - eg, How have I got a blue entry in my reputation? Is that negative? :thinking:


Blue entry means someone added rep without havin any of their own, I have three of those, unfortunately they don't actually add to your rep...I think that any rep given should warm up as their own rep does...if you see what I mean:?
I feel that a tiered scale/drop down box as mentioned elsewhere is a good idea...it frustrates me that expensive products at good prices often get cold votes...high end laptops/pc's, particularly items where I feel cold voters don't actually know what they are talking about, so vote cold - 'just because it didn't look a good deal to me'
#14
Agent_Silver
Blue entry means someone added rep without havin any of their own, I have three of those, unfortunately they don't actually add to your rep...I think that any rep given should warm up as their own rep does...if you see what I mean:?...

Aaaaaah thank you, that makes sense. :)
#15
scabbers
I agree. I have often looked at deals, thought they were fine but they've been voted cold. If there's something I'm missing I'd like to know. And Yes, just by posting deals we are all trying to help each other and I find some comments that people make quite rude too. An explanation of why you're voting cold is all it takes. :roll:

This makes sense to me. I also have wondered why some deals were cold and there doesn't seem to be any reason. I think that some people just go down the page clicking on each deal as to whether it is one that they would want themselves, or even if it is a bit cold they make it colder. OK, for them it might not seem a great deal if, for instance there was 50p off a packet of cereal but that doesn't make it a poor deal per se. I think a good example was 24hrstudent's great long list of possible DVD good buys - took ages I would think and that was cold for quite a while, for no good reason at all - it's hot now. So, yes give a reason if you vote cold as it might well be helpful, with no need to start a slanging match.
#16
stora
No we should not have to give a reason. We don't have to give reasons for voting hot or warm do we.

I have done in the past and the thread just got into a mess on why I should not have voted cold instead of concentrating on the deal itself.


This has been discussed many times before.

Admin has stated that the reason that a reason does not need to be given for a 'Hot' vote is because by clicking 'Hot' you are agreeing with the OP, so no reason needed.

I think that cold voting should need a reason that is kept hidden from general view.

The mods can see who votes cold, so at least they could pick up a general pattern of why a deal is being voted cold.
#17
I don't give reasons for voting cold generally, I am of the mind that if I am not expected to give reasons for voting a deal hot or warm I don't see why I should have to when I vote cold, on the few occasions I have said why I voted cold my reason was 'challenged' - one even turned into a petty squabble.
#18
does it really matter. if a deal is hot then it will outlast the few cold voters. if it is cold anyway then obviosly not many people are interested as it would be hot.. so its either hot or not. if that makes sense.. 9/10 if i vote cold il leave a reason but dont really vote much anyway so.. the odd time il leave a cold if the op is begging for heat or rep etc..
#19
Maybe a drop-dopwn box is a good idea. Maybe we could have some statistics in the post saying how many people voted it hot, how many people voted it cold and x amount of people voted cold because... or because... or because... and it'd give a better idea to people of what's wrong with the deal.

:santa:
#20
By rights this should be fairly simple....
If a deal title interests you, click through to it & read what is being offered by this retailer if you like the deal then buy it, if you don't then move on.....are people REALLY so simple minded they're basing their purchases purely on the temp bar??!?

As has been stated countless times (Starlet, Moonie & others), if a deal is truly hot then there aren't enough senseless cold voters out there to keep it down & it will become genuinely hot - if there is such a surplus of these malicious voters then surely posting "This is sooooo unfair, why are you being mean to me???" is like red rag to a bull in guaranteeing further cold votes just to get a rise out of the poster for their amusement?

Yes it would be nice if somebody had knowledge of a better deal than the posted one if they shared that with others, but when this is the cause I think MOST people already do.....maybe some feel the OP should have done their homework better & should find out for themselves that the item they've posted is available cheaper at 5 different places?!?!
As for people voting cold just because they don't like a product or percieve it as a good deal then hey I'm sure it happens that people vote hot because everyone else has or people voting on sales before they've started or voting on a mis-price before it's cancelled a day later (this has happened SO MANY times)....it's an imperfect system but it provides an average, it's that simple.
#21
Nope.
#22
rjm67
Seems a bit harsh on posters to get voted cold like this.
I really have never understood this line of thought.

Why do people give a toss if things get voted cold? Some people really need more things in their life if they take a cold vote as personal.

rjm67
It's also quite sad that so many people putting their first deal up feel the need to say 'Go easy on me'.

You're right, that is sad...sad that people take cold votes as personal attack that is. I don't understand why a deal should have to be voted hot because someone is new.

If anything, cold (and warm) voting should be encouraged, people seem to be put off doing so because of this attitude, which means a load of luke warm (at best) deals creep on to the main page...especially at this time of year when people just post things with 50% off for the sake of it. If I want to see a load of items with 50% off, I'll just go in to Tesco thanks.
banned#23
To be honest, I'm not entirely sure why anyone is really that bothered? Does the poster of a "real hot deal" get a Blue Peter badge? If posting something has helped someone bag a bargain, then great. If someone disagree's and thinks its a poor offer, why should anyone give a hoot?

Maybe its just the world I live in, I have more important things to be worried about!
#24
guv
To be honest, I'm not entirely sure why anyone is really that bothered? Does the poster of a "real hot deal" get a Blue Peter badge? If posting something has helped someone bag a bargain, then great. If someone disagree's and thinks its a poor offer, why should anyone give a hoot?

Maybe its just the world I live in, I have more important things to be worried about!


Don't disagree and I doubt that anyone who posts and gets cold becomes all that terribly upset but even if they do, well that's the way it crumbles. You could set up a help-line,guv!:p:giggle:
Thing is that the temp is supposed to give us a bit of help isn't it? In our haste to get straight on to good deals, it's handy to have a quick scan to see what the temp is. It's not at all helpful if what turns out eventually to be hot, hot, hot starts off as cold and I think that's the problem as I said in my example earlier.
So, it's helpful to vote hot (bearing in mind that it's to help inform HUKDers) and it's helpful to vote cold with a reason but it's not helpful to vote cold without a reason.
banned#25
chesso
it's helpful to vote cold with a reason but it's not helpful to vote cold without a reason.


I often do give a reason - but then do you think you need to give a reason when voting hot as well?
#26
guv
I often do give a reason - but then do you think you need to give a reason when voting hot as well?

Not really, because then you'd get a whole lot of - 'yes, good post' or 'thanks' - which you do get sometimes and it's nice of people to do so but doesn't give any additional info.
At this point I think I'm meeting myself coming back.

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