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banned#1
I personally think it is a complete waste of time, just my opinion
#2
So a volunteer who would look after the legitimacy/community outreach/engage with fund raising?


I could do that depending on the final set of rules drawn up.
[admin]#3
Someone to do everything. Start the threads, end the threads, do the poll, check the charities, whatever needs to be done to keep things going.

Thanks sassie.
#4
I like the idea if we are going to make sure we have absolute validation and legitimacy.

I would be happy to do it if others think it is OK for me to do so.
banned#5
admin dont you have responsibilty for all that goes on on your boards? It seems you just made it a massive job in the hope it doesnt happen, i maybe wrong like, but very much doubt it :-D
#6
The bit that says: "The opinions and views of our members are not necessarily those of HotUKDeals Administration." in the code of conduct rules that out I think sort of?

Obviously the opinions is slightly different to that of charity goings on.
#7
jonnyq;2967448
i would prefer to have more than one person


I like this idea.

jonnyq;2967448
also, maybe have a poll deciding which people


I accept this idea.

:p

EDIT:- And it's why perhaps we need HUKD polls to work again?! ;)
#8
registered sites like justgiving are scam proof, so surely once these are posted its up to members if they wish to donate? if its all in one thread cant see a prob
#9
I've given some thought to the charity thread situation and have a tentative proposal.

[COLOR="Blue"]Thanks ![/COLOR]

These are the aims. (1) I want to avoid having the site filled up with threads asking for donations. (2) I want any proposed charities to be valid and legitimate. (3) I want there to be some connection to the community. (4) I want members to be able to propose and engage with any fundraising. (5) HUKD not to have the responsibility of vetting/recommending due to legal reasons.

[COLOR="blue"]Seems fair.[/COLOR]

My thought is that we can have a basic thread where members can put forward their proposed charity. Once a month the proposed ones will be put in a poll and members can vote on which one will be that month's charity. Each month a thread will be made with the month's chosen charity and the previous thread will be expired.

[COLOR="blue"]Isn't this somewhat complicating matters ? A 4 week cycle is surely not long enough for fund raising. If the rule is that there will be only one thread then why limit the number of charities put up and why also limit the time they are up for ?

Would it not be more prudent to set the criteria a charity will be allowed to be entered in the thread and then just let them run their course ? Fund raisers should end with an event anyway like the H4H thread so they will naturally expire.

Personally like Guv I don't think there will be that many "applications" anyway if the criteria for posting is set right.[/COLOR]


What I need is: (1) you guys to draw up the list of proposed rules along the lines above, (2) a volunteer who is willing to manage it consistently and responsibly.

[COLOR="blue"]Going on the above suggestion there would be a need for only a couple of rules.
1. That the charity is proposed by a HUKD community member and that it is a Charity EVENT with an ending date.
2. That any donations go directly to a totally transparent site like Justgiving where any HUKD member can check their donation or enter it themselves.

Admin would need to decide whether a separate thread be allowed in the FS/FT Forum for material donations ??

If it were run along those sort of lines then I would be more than willing to help out if asked.
I honestly think if you start moving into polls and the like you are asking for more controversy ??

Just my opinion of course.[/COLOR]
[admin]#10
The reason for selecting one is so that people could band around the nominated charity for the month. So it's more of a community effort helping out that charity.

Second it means we can have a separate thread just for that effort.

If you think longer cycles are needed that's ok - I just thought a month was long enough to bring awareness to a need while still giving time to the next one.

If just one big charity thread is wanted that's ok. Personally I don't think that would be very effective though.
#11
Admin
The reason for selecting one is so that people could band around the nominated charity for the month. So it's more of a community effort helping out that charity.

Second it means we can have a separate thread just for that effort.

If you think longer cycles are needed that's ok - I just thought a month was long enough to bring awareness to a need while still giving time to the next one.

If just one big charity thread is wanted that's ok. Personally I don't think that would be very effective though.


Yeah I understood what you meant Admin they were just my thoughts.

I think it's going to depend how high the bar is set on charity approval. I personally would not want to be involved with anything that is not transparent at the donation point which does limit entry.

(Doesn't mean to say I wouldn't donate just if I was involved in the actual fundraising)

There is also the difference between a fund raising event and an ongoing charity. Again my personal opinion would be to limit it to events with an ending date. If it's not you will end up with the likes of Oxfam, NSPCC etc etc all who already have a public face being put forward.
I'm not sure you would want that ??
#12
Admin if you have the time take a quick look at the JustGiving site and see how easy and transparent it can be. There's a 5% fee but to me that's got to be worth the transparency and ease of administration to any fund raiser.

http://www.justgiving.com/


[COLOR="Red"]EDIT. Sorry and I should have added from the HUKD point of view it gives you no potential hassle at all as far as I can see.[/COLOR]
[admin]#13
Yep I agree things like justgiving or requiring a registered charity number are essential to approving something. I think justgiving only have charities that pay them so expanding to any reg charity may help.
#14
Yeah , good Idea
Especially good if it stops some members filling up the "deals" part of the site with all this charity stuff :thumbsup:
Keep all the charity stuff away from the main part of the site :thumbsup:
[helper]#15
Admin - Thanks for giving this further thought......:thumbsup:
#16
As the person ultimately responsible for the H4H thread I'm gonna ask a couple of questions primarily to do with that (& the associated FS/T thread) & I'd appreciate an answer from Paul/Admin as I feel it directly affects whether people should be looking at one (forum supervised) thread or rules for posting individual threads if this is GENUINELY still open to debate....

What percentage (approx) of threads posted (or posted & pulled) in misc are "Charity" based?

How many complaints did you or the mods recieve during the 3 month lifespan of the H4H thread & were offensive posts removed from this thread without my being aware?
[SIZE="1"](I'm aware of Liddle ol' Me's 'critique' of the thread & actually agreed with some of the 'anti' posts prior to it's closure/locking before I could respond)[/SIZE]

I feel this would give people some background infromation as to how labour-intensive this issue is (or isn't) to Admin & the team.

At present this thread does have a feel of "This is what I'm going to do, but if I ask for public opinion there won't be as many people moaning when it happens". It's all well & good asking for "suggestions" as to the way forward but it does appear that the single thread proposal is the only one to have ANY 'official' interest & the suggestions will be basic common sense ones (in the main) that you would have used anyway - Reg Charities only, a finite lifespan for the thread & suchlike.....

The bottom line with the H4H thread was that I'm very grateful to this site that I was allowed the opportunity to raise this money & that in the main it was very well supported, but I'd hate to think that due to my inexperience in fundraising & it's associated organisation that others will be denied the same opportunity.
#17
I am glad there is some direction now. I for one will not be using this site promoting the only charity/appeal thread i am involved in after the recent farce. I believe everyone who fundraises for charity will know how demanding it is. I only became so actively involved in mine because of its circumstances and as personally knowing the child in question. I did not think for one minute there would be ANY problems in directing people to my website, to sponsor a half marathon to raise money for her. I just thought that with the thread title people could choose to view & sponsor or not.

Speak as i find i hold no grudges as i believe you reep what you sow. I dont regret posting for my charity and still feel i was wrong done by however I respect admins wishes and im kind of pleased he has come to a half way compromise. Thank you.
Good luck to all those who raise money for charitys.Its hard but rewarding.
[admin]#18
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO - As long as it's within the guidelines and meets the aims I wrote out in the first one I don't care how it works.

Just to be clear having an unlimited number of threads as long as they fit the basic criteria isn't an option.

Personally I think the idea of having one thread where people put forward nominations and then a new thread each month with that month's charity is a workable idea and satisfies everyoen.

I am asking for members to take it from there as if members believe this is important for the community I need them to take charge of it. If there is not enough interest for people to devote time and effort at the organisational and admin level then we are back to square one.
#19
Well hush my mouth, I merely thought that providing some genuine evidence would have stopped repeated questions as to how much of a 'problem' this ACTUALLY is as personally (& others have mentioned this also), I haven't seen the board flooded with requests BUT would have been quite happy to accept that there was an issue had you just said that (for example) Mods have to delete an average of 5, 10, 15 threads per day or had to deal with numerous complaints about these......

If you genuinely want to gauge public opinion I would suggest the creation of a thread in Misc given the much smaller number of members that seem to use this feedback forum & as Misc would appear to be the end destination of such a Chartity thread.
#20
Admin
CHARLIETHIRTYTWO - As long as it's within the guidelines and meets the aims I wrote out in the first one I don't care how it works.

Just to be clear having an unlimited number of threads as long as they fit the basic criteria isn't an option.

Personally I think the idea of having one thread where people put forward nominations and then a new thread each month with that month's charity is a workable idea and satisfies everyone.


I am asking for members to take it from there as if members believe this is important for the community I need them to take charge of it. If there is not enough interest for people to devote time and effort at the organisational and admin level then we are back to square one.


Well with respect if that's the criteria then I wouldn't be interested in being involved for the reasons I stated in my first post.

I do hope however that it can work because as I've written before, if it's handled correctly it can do nothing but good for HUKD.

Regards.:)
[admin]#21
Ok.

If someone wants to be involved then as said they are welcome to run with it. Otherwise we stick with the rules as now.

CHARLIETHIRTYTWO - The reason I didn't reply to your questions is because this is not a thread to argue about whether our decisions to remove charity threads is justified. That's a separate topic and I don't have much more to say on it.
banned#22
Since I started I can only think of 2 charity threads...PC Nutta's and H4H...might be more I missed but I havent seen many, doesnt seem like this is needed at all, just gives HUKD the control...which surely is going against points 3 & 5?
banned 1 Like #23
Admin


CHARLIETHIRTYTWO - The reason I didn't reply to your questions is because this is not a thread to argue about whether our decisions to remove charity threads is justified. That's a separate topic and I don't have much more to say on it.


No we have done that one and considering you dont have much more to say on it, you have still left the thread open even though the op asked for closure, a bit like the morrisons deal admin, sometimes all is needed is to say what the score is, your talk in riddles, that makes no sense whatsoever and then wonder where the frustration comes from, but then you can always just ridicule people when that happens or inform them to go elsewhere, less of these threads would happen if you just called it for what it is
1 Like #24
Admin

CHARLIETHIRTYTWO - The reason I didn't reply to your questions is because this is not a thread to argue about whether our decisions to remove charity threads is justified. That's a separate topic and I don't have much more to say on it.


I was NOT looking for an argument & was NOT questioning your justification in the removal of ANY threads (as is often stated, this is YOUR site & YOU can do as YOU please).

I WAS questioning whether this is GENUINELY a 'problem', but as you are saying that there WILL only be one thread & that you want nothing to do with it then I'll have to assume it IS a problem to you/site operation & that is as always, the only explanation needed.

I'm sorry that seems to have turned into a head to head between us.
As I have stated previously I am incredibly grateful that this site got behind the H4H thread the way it did & despite some of the reservations you had over it that you allowed it to take place.
I was proud to have been part of the event & equally proud of the charity, support & encouragement of HUKD members (& Mods) that took part.
[admin]#25
Maybe there is some confusion here then. I'm agreeing with you and saying I'd like to see that all the time. However I do need someone to step up and take care of it if members want this.
#26
Admin
Maybe there is some confusion here then. I'm agreeing with you and saying I'd like to see that all the time. However I do need someone to step up and take care of it if members want this.


Well I'm honestly totally confused now.

Exactly what are you agreeing to Admin ?
banned#27
hottoshop;2973145
Well I'm honestly totally confused now.

:?

not just me then!
#28
thej
I reckon admin was agreeing with the way the H4H thread was run,no hassle or arguing,good fun with a fair bit of banter,etc,etc,and at the end of the day achieving what it set out to do and more besides.



Well as you know I don't disagree with that thej but I really can't see how that could be achieved in the time scale that Admin is proposing.

I think what everyone else is trying to put across is that in any eventuality there would not be masses of threads and we haven't ever seen masses of threads. (See C32's first post)

Actually I'll stop there because Admin hasn't responded and I don't want to add to any confusion.

Nice to see you on the thread thej you were a great part of the H4H as were so many others :)
#29
Now I am confused.
#30
thej
Cheers mate,i agree with what you're saying about the time scale,but admin has already said that if a longer cycle was needed that would be ok.What would you think about an 8 or 10 week cycle,because i don't think admin is going to budge on the multiple threads,personaly i don't think it would turn into that though.If it was to be limited to a 4 week cycle then maybe it would be best to forget about the donation part and spend the time just promoting the chosen charity,ie.what they actually stand for,links to projects they are involved in,events they may be running etc,then hopefully through raising peoples awareness they would decide to donate directly or possibly become involved on a regular basis rather than just a once off.

Don't know if this helps or just confuses things even more :thinking:


Yeah it was originally flexible on the time but then Admin seemed to be saying that his original suggestion was the one that should be adopted and then, well, it just got a bit confusing.

There never was any flexibility on mulitple threads it seems and although I respect Admins view on that like everyone else it seems I can't see there would ever be a problem. Maybe I'm missing something.

With regards the last part of your post and again it's only my opinion but I can't see a need to support a static charity rather than an event driven charity.
By that I mean someone posting "Support Oxfam" as opposed to a community led "Support thej swimming the channel for Oxfam"

The former I think does little for the community, it's members or HUKD whilst the latter ticks all those boxes.

That's just my point of view though.

[SIZE="3"] [COLOR="DarkGreen"]This last bit is a question for Admin.[/COLOR] [/SIZE]
Admin when you write that you want HUKD to not be responsible etc etc do you also mean that you don't want the name of HUKD being used say as it was in the H4H thread and associated dealings with the people taking part in the event ?
I think Charlie would agree that the name of HUKD travelled quite some way during that event, I know I actively promoted it down this way.
[admin]#31
HUKD can't be vetting or recommending charities.

Time parameters etc I don't care. What I care about is outlined in the first post - beyond that if someone wants to do something they just need to discuss and lmk.
1 Like #32
Yes, I think this is a good idea. The OP is clear, unambiguous and supportive of the idea that HUKD should have community-led charitable donations. The idea of organising things in a democratic fashion is also a good one. Taking the recent HFH charity as an example (and the ill-feeling that was generated by my post on the subject), I think any system allowing views to be put forward for discussion in advance will ultimately legitimise the charities chosen. We might not always agree, but I think most of us can agree to disagree and abide by the wishes of the majority. Also importantly, discussion in advance helps keeps the focus on the issues rather than individual personalities. :thumbsup:

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