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#1
Not again. :-(
#2
thesaint
Not again. :-(


I think it just shows how concerned members are and that in itself can't be bad. In fact if my business was getting as much free feedback that HUKD get I would be more than chuffed.
Businesses pay a lot of money for consumer feedback.

What would be nice though is for members to search the feedback threads and try and find the other threads dedicated to this subject, there are enough of them. Again though this is not always the easiest thing to do.

It would also be nice to get an updated view from Admin as, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he has responded to any of the posts on this subject since the site changeover.
[admin]#3
It's been brought up several times jocksteeluk and my feeling is that adding a reason would put up a barrier to people voting (basic laziness) and not actually prevent silly cold votes (i.e. they could type in anything they want).
#4
Admin
It's been brought up several times jocksteeluk and my feeling is that adding a reason would put up a barrier to people voting (basic laziness) and not actually prevent silly cold votes (i.e. they could type in anything they want).


So is it worth having any sort of discussion on the voting system Admin or is it set in stone ?

One of the ideas put forward is to do away with the cold vote altogether as it serves no positive purpose. All it does is create negativity and without it deals would find a more even balance with possibly the minority deals receiving a better response ?
[admin]#5
It's always worth having a discussion. On my part I feel the current system is still the best option but that doesn't mean other ideas can't be discussed.
#6
But what if people believe something is cold for a good reason? You see threads now where lots of people give good, clear and logical reasons why something is cold, and yet the thread still ends up in positive heat (due mainly, I think, to people looking at the deal and not actually reading the comments). If you do away with cold votes, you might as well do away with hot votes too and not have any vote system.
banned#7
you cant win, if someone votes without giving reason people have a hissy, and if you gve a reason they still have a hissy, i personally but on whether "I" think its a good buy, so it makes no difference to me what the temp is
1 Like #8
BristolDeal
But what if people believe something is cold for a good reason? You see threads now where lots of people give good, clear and logical reasons why something is cold, and yet the thread still ends up in positive heat (due mainly, I think, to people looking at the deal and not actually reading the comments). If you do away with cold votes, you might as well do away with hot votes too and not have any vote system.


I don't understand the logic of your last sentence Bristol.

My perception of the hot and cold votes are that they are given on price and not personal opinion. To me that's what a Hot Deal was/is all about.

It's brilliant to have comments about the product or the retailer or indeed anyhting else to do with the deal but in the main these are personal opininions.

Should personal opinions affect the temperature of the deal ??
You hit the nail on the head when you say " due mainly, I think, to people looking at the deal and not actually reading the comments" because of course that works both ways.
I know if I post a Tesco deal you are going to vote it cold and no matter how legitimate your personal crusade appears to be it is still only your personal opinion.
Likewise if I post a deal for something that is beneficial to a minority group, say special needs, I can be pretty sure that it will be given a lukewarm reception at the most.

Now if the cold vote were taken away and only the hot vote applied both those examples would reach a natural level of popularity.
It doesn't stop people posting in the thread with their opinions but it does stop negative voting just for the sake of it, something which appears to upset a lot of members.

Hope that is not as clear as mud and of course, it's just my opinion, I may well have missed something :)
#9
What I meant by that was more from a perspective of having a "voice". Taking away the cold vote means that only people who think a deal is good get to change the temperature. It's one thing to be able to make a post and say you don't think a deal is good, but you can't affect its 'heat'. People who post and say they DO think it's good, also get to show that by clicking the temperature up. You could say by not voting you're not increasing the temperature, but that means we'd only ever have positive heat deals, so what's the point?
#10
BristolDeal
What I meant by that was more from a perspective of having a "voice". Taking away the cold vote means that only people who think a deal is good get to change the temperature. It's one thing to be able to make a post and say you don't think a deal is good, but you can't affect its 'heat'. People who post and say they DO think it's good, also get to show that by clicking the temperature up. You could say by not voting you're not increasing the temperature, but that means we'd only ever have positive heat deals, so what's the point?


I accept your viewpoint Bristol although I'm not so sure I agree.

As I said it's only a personal view and more a response to some of the pathetic reasons given for cold voting a deal. (And no , not a dig at you, I share your views to a point ! )

I do think a lot of members, especially the newer ones, are being put off posting anything other than "safe" deals and I think there could well be an untapped amount of good deals missing because of this.

I also think it would be great to see a lot more special interest deals but I suppose that's a personal choice. Again I don't think this type of deal appears too often because of a feared cold reception.

Anyway, I've written enough and as Admin says he feels the current option is the best it's probably a waste of my index fingers , lol
#11
Well we tell users to ignore deals if it's not suited to them rather than voting them cold, but most still vote cold on them just because they don't like them.

If things were a little more like Digg, with just a button to add a vote, people could add a vote or not vote at all. That way, all deals would be hot - but some would be hotter than others... Just an idea to chuck into the mix.
[admin]#12
I agree about the points re safe deals and special interest deals. The thing is I've noticed a lot of special interest deals actually do well but I think there may be hesitancy more b/c someone is not sure if it's a proper deal rather than worried about the temp.

Maybe we need better guidelines on what to check to see if you really have found a good deal and how to write up a deal post?
#13
Well education is always the best way.

I actually think the stickies are sorely missed.


an example:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/158246/willy-wonka-charlie-the-chocolate-f/
#14
Actually whilst on the subject why can't we have links to Emma's (for example) help files on the right of the landing page ?
#15
hottoshop
Actually whilst on the subject why can't we have links to Emma's (for example) help files on the right of the landing page ?


The "What happened to HUKD?!" box really should be updated and turned into a help/faq/stickies/useful links section... :thumbsup:
#16
hottoshop
Actually whilst on the subject why can't we have links to Emma's (for example) help files on the right of the landing page ?


jah128
The "What happened to HUKD?!" box really should be updated and turned into a help/faq/stickies/useful links section... :thumbsup:


I agree
#17
jah128
The "What happened to HUKD?!" box really should be updated and turned into a help/faq/stickies/useful links section... :thumbsup:


Agreed, for a large proportion of the members this has no meaning to them, and for the rest of us we have discussed it ti death...help links much more logical IMHO
#18
If HUKD is about price rather than opinion of the product then in the voting systems purest application people who do not like the product should NOT vote.

Fanbois', internet crusaders and general ********s will obviously vote perfectly decent deals cold but if the majority use system properley then deals should always balance toward what the majority of sensible people feel the deal is worth.
#19
I raised this issue several times in the past. I am not worried about my deals being voted cold, TBH. However, when I am posting a deal, this is normally about something I am going to buy (or bought already). If someone is voting it cold I would like to know why. Was it because the product is inferior to competition? Was it because price is nothing special? Was it warranty problem, an issue with seller or something else but equally important?
This is the only reason why I would like to have an explanation from voters, not for tit-for-tat response. In fact, those of you who know me well, know that I always post some reason why I am voting cold. The reason could be debatable (of course) but at least it is there.

Sorry to say but the current cold/hot system is just irrelevant for me.
#20
I posted my suggestion on this thread which I still think would be an improvement (Post 51).

However, if the system is to stay as it is (at least for now) would this be possible: I know that Mods can check and pass on their concerns to serial cold voters, to let them know that they should only be voting on deals that interest them, but is it also possible for the Mods to see who is consistently voting cold AND not commenting in threads, as these are the major concern. Perhaps they could then be told a bit of forum etiquete, or even threatened with a temporary ban if they continue. I know that would be a bit extreme, but they'd probably stop!
#21
Mike73
I posted my suggestion on this thread which I still think would be an improvement (Post 51).

However, if the system is to stay as it is (at least for now) would this be possible: I know that Mods can check and pass on their concerns to serial cold voters, to let them know that they should only be voting on deals that interest them, but is it also possible for the Mods to see who is consistently voting cold AND not commenting in threads, as these are the major concern. Perhaps they could then be told a bit of forum etiquete, or even threatened with a temporary ban if they continue. I know that would be a bit extreme, but they'd probably stop!


I think serial cold voters do get warnings/bans... Mods?

:)
#22
Mike73;1730865
However, if the system is to stay as it is (at least for now) would this be possible: I know that Mods can check and pass on their concerns to serial cold voters, to let them know that they should only be voting on deals that interest them, but is it also possible for the Mods to see who is consistently voting cold AND not commenting in threads, as these are the major concern. Perhaps they could then be told a bit of forum etiquete, or even threatened with a temporary ban if they continue. I know that would be a bit extreme, but they'd probably stop!


We do this already Mike :)
#23
emmajk42
We do this already Mike :)


I guess it must have been a good idea then!:whistling:
banned#24
seems that it is now against site etiquette to vote cold without giving a reason. Quote from a mod

"you have been voting deals cold for a while now without valid reason or comment in the threads - this is against the voting etiquette"
banned#25
csiman.

Please refer to post #23.

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