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[admin]#1
And in that spirit lets cut the whinging and keep col's thread on the topic which it started.
#2
Admin
And in that spirit lets cut the whinging and keep col's thread on the topic which it started.

Nothing changes. :roll:


Far too much and it far outways any positive vibes in this place at times imo.

I propose cold votes should be scrapped. This in my opiion would change the emphasis of posts reducing constant negativity.

Under a new system of temperature we would still be able to separate good and not so good deals by the higher temps for good deals just lose out on the extreme minuses.

What are the pitfalls will this system?

Its my opinion that the community spirit will be improved and people won't feel as bad when they see people jumping on the cold button just cos a deal doesn't tick 486 boxes make their tea and make them forty pound in the process.

Or leave it as it is and do nothing.

Just an opinion probably been mentioned before and no doubt will be mentioned again :)

This has been mentioned before and as I said earlier nothing will change. You can't have Hot, Warm and no Cold, it would not balance out. In effect, surely the Warm vote would become the 'Cold' vote, wouldn't it?
Look what happened when the Neg rep was removed.:roll:
#3
col
What are the pitfalls will this system?


One pitfall I could see happening if there were no cold votes is I think some deals which are really good but perhaps a bit niche might get lost with more average but universally popular deals getting to the front page.

Also consider cases where a deal might appear really good at first but then someone notices a problem or something similar, but the deal is still active. In some cases it really is necessary to cool a deal down I reckon...

Perhaps negative temperatures could be scrapped (or the weight of cold votes reduced as the temperature lowers) so people didn't get upset. Its not necessarily the worst deals which end up coldest, its the deals which draw a lot of attention and are deemed cold by a majority...
#4
Its my opinion there only needs to be a HOT button tbh.

If a deal is rubbish give your reason if you wish then ignore it. This way cold deals will get no interest or just receive no temp :)

Far less negative and what is lost? I can't really see the advantages cold voting offers outwaying the positive effect of getting rid.

It's called Hotukdeals, so it should only be finding the Hot deals we are interested in, ignore the rest but without the negativity.
#5
jah128
One pitfall I could see happening if there were no cold votes is I think some deals which are really good but perhaps a bit niche might get lost with more average but universally popular deals getting to the front page.

Also consider cases where a deal might appear really good at first but then someone notices a problem or something similar, but the deal is still active. In some cases it really is necessary to cool a deal down I reckon...

Perhaps negative temperatures could be scrapped (or the weight of cold votes reduced as the temperature lowers) so people didn't get upset. Its not necessarily the worst deals which end up coldest, its the deals which draw a lot of attention and are deemed cold by a majority...


I take your points. But you could still offer your opinion as an alternative to cooling a deal down or in the case of dodgy deals click spam?
[admin]#6
Part of what I think the cold vote is useful for is to help counter self-promo or manipulation of the system. For example someone could start loads of fake accounts and try to heat up their "deal" (which would be tough as they'd have no voting rep) but one click of cold from a higher vote rep member and it would be plummeted down where it belongs.
#7
Admin
Part of what I think the cold vote is useful for is to help counter self-promo or manipulation of the system. For example someone could start loads of fake accounts and try to heat up their "deal" (which would be tough as they'd have no voting rep) but one click of cold from a higher vote rep member and it would be plummeted down where it belongs.


I agree it does help here but I would use the spam button as the alternative and post my comments to warn users if necessary.
#8
col
Its my opinion there only needs to be a HOT button tbh.

If a deal is rubbish give your reason if you wish then ignore it. This way cold deals will get no interest or just receive no temp :)

Far less negative and what is lost? I can't really see the advantages cold voting offers outwaying the positive effect of getting rid.

It's called Hotukdeals, so it should only be finding the Hot deals we are interested in, ignore the rest but without the negativity.


Ah but, the OP and others may think it's a 'Hot' Deal until someone comes along and says 'ey up, it's 1p cheaper at wherever.com' so it would then get voted cold.
Say a deal was viewed by 100 people who all voted it Hot and then someone said you can get it cheaper from here how would that be cooled down, to stop people automatically 'jumping' in and buying it?
banned#9
dinosteveus
Ah but, the OP and others may think it's a 'Hot' Deal until someone comes along and says 'ey up, it's 1p cheaper at wherever.com' so it would then get voted cold.
Say a deal was viewed by 100 people who all voted it Hot and then someone said you can get it cheaper from here how would that be cooled down, to stop people automatically 'jumping' in and buying it?

But surely being 1p cheaper somewhere else doesnt make the original a cold deal :?
#10
dinosteveus
Ah but, the OP and others may think it's a 'Hot' Deal until someone comes along and says 'ey up, it's 1p cheaper at wherever.com' so it would then get voted cold.
Say a deal was viewed by 100 people who all voted it Hot and then someone said you can get it cheaper from here how would that be cooled down, to stop people automatically 'jumping' in and buying it?


Offer people the cheaper alternative, if they buy on temp alone without reading the thread then they should start :)
[admin]#11
I agree it does help here but I would use the spam button as the alternative and post my comments to warn users if necessary.

But it's not always clearly spam that's the problem. If we knew it was self-promo yeah we'd spam it but if we don't then it's tough. However the deal would then have to stand on its own and if it really was rubbish then the harder we can make it to game the system the better.

p.s. I agree about the negative feeling that it can create though. I think on the programming end we need to have smarter stuff that automatically blocks serial cold voters (i.e. member z voted cold x times hot 0 times all with no comment and within 5 minutes of the thread posted therefore put voting rep to zero for two weeks).
#12
sassie
But surely being 1p cheaper somewhere else doesnt make the original a cold deal :?

OK, Change the 1p for £1.00 or £100 etc depending on the price of the deal.
#13
col
Offer people the cheaper alternative, if they buy on temp alone without reading the thread then they should start :)

Yes but some threads are long, some are very long before you get to some nitty gritty about the deal.
#14
sassie
But surely being 1p cheaper somewhere else doesnt make the original a cold deal :?


Exactly.

Just because this 1p saving appears do we really need to stamp all over the deal? It was hot after all while it lasted :)
All deals are bettered at some point just look at last years HOT memory card prices
banned#15
dinosteveus
Yes but some threads are long, some are very long before you get to some nitty gritty about the deal.

In that case they never get to see the cheaper deal anway :? so the op deal is still good :oops: Oh naff i know what im on about :oops:
#16
Admin
p.s. I agree about the negative feeling that it can create though. I think on the programming end we need to have smarter stuff that automatically blocks serial cold voters (i.e. member z voted cold x times hot 0 times all with no comment and within 5 minutes of the thread posted therefore put voting rep to zero for two weeks).


That sounds better would at least limit the unnecessary negative use.
#17
col
Exactly.

Just because this 1p saving appears do we really need to stamp all over the deal? It was hot after all while it lasted :)
All deals are bettered at some point just look at last years HOT memory card prices

The difference is only relevant to the price of the Hot Deal.
An item is £10.00 but it's £9.00 cheaper wherever, then that is a lot.
#18
sassie
In that case they never get to see the cheaper deal anway :?

They might if that deal was cold and a similar deal was hotter, it would help them decide without wading through pages of drivel..
#19
dinosteveus
The difference is only relevant to the price of the Hot Deal.
An item is £10.00 but it's £9.00 cheaper wherever, then that is a lot.


I know what your saying but I just think the cheaper deal is hotter than the previous deal, not the previous deal is cold- it was just beaten :)
banned#20
dinosteveus
They might if that deal was cold and a similar deal was hotter, it would help them decide without wading through pages of drivel..

Thats only if the new cheaper deal is posted, alot of the time it is posted in that said thread, cold voted and the cheaper price is not known because a new thread isnt started
#21
col
I know what your saying but I just think the cheaper deal is hotter than the previous deal, not the previous deal is cold- it was just beaten :)

But if the second 'better' deal was posted say 2 hours after the first not so hot deal, people may still think the first deal is the better because it will be 'hotter'.
#22
sassie
Thats only if the new cheaper deal is posted, alot of the time it is posted in that said thread, cold voted and the cheaper price is not known because a new thread isnt started

Ah, but that is where the Mods or the Members would say, hey, that's hot, it should have it's own post.
#23
dinosteveus
But if the second 'better' deal was posted say 2 hours after the first not so hot deal, people may still think the first deal is the better because it will be 'hotter'.


Will it? Im not sure. Cheaper price should result in more Hot votes all things being equal?
banned#24
dinosteveus
But if the second 'better' deal was posted say 2 hours after the first not so hot deal, people may still think the first deal is the better because it will be 'hotter'.

but this is what im saying it doesnt usually get posted in a new deal, someone posts a tv for £200 it gets hottish, then someone comes along after one page and says you can get it here for £190, then everyone votes it cold, and doesnt start a thread so it never gets too the front page where it belongs
banned#25
dinosteveus
Ah, but that is where the Mods or the Members would say, hey, that's hot, it should have it's own post.

I just feel that alot of members take time looking for these deals and, if like me, it takes forever to actually get it on the board then it gets voted so called, then someone else posts it cheaper so yours gets removed because its a dupe its a little disheartening for some
banned#26
And now im going to shut up because im rambling:oops:
#27
Hi everyone, one of my threads was cold voted to the ice age last night, and it did make me feel very sad, especially when you go through the trouble of posting. Im a sensitive person anyway, but things are getting to me more lately. :cry:

I feel sorry for other new members sometimes, they are just starting out, and they post a deal thinking they are being helpfull, and its allready been posted a month ago at £1 cheaper, and then their deal is bombarded with cold votes, instead of not voting either way, and saying 'Thanks, this has been posted before, welcome to HUKD', people just say 'cold...£1 cheaper at asda'

Theres my little rant lol.
[helper]#28
Problem is that people vote cold for no good reason but others may vote hot for no good reason. If you remove the cold vote then how can the "no good reason" hot votes be counterbalanced?
So I say keep the cold vote - yeah its not perfect and its disheartening sometimes to see deals voted cold but deals would get skewed in the hot direction if the cold is removed....
banned#29
I've stopped posting deals I've found because of the negative **** I receive from everyone. The no cold button, wouldn't remove the negativity. Reputation removal or a negative comment rep would solve it. When a negative comment is made the person it was made against could add negative rep. The only disadvantage would be you would get complete tossers that would leave negative comments to boost their rep
#30
UltimoScorpion
The no cold button, wouldn't remove the negativity. Reputation removal or a negative comment rep would solve it.


Maybe not but it would be a start imo :)
#31
Bryan839
Hi everyone, one of my threads was cold voted to the ice age last night, and it did make me feel very sad, especially when you go through the trouble of posting. Im a sensitive person anyway, but things are getting to me more lately. :cry:


If lots of people voted it cold, it obviously wasn't a good deal. I'm sorry it upset you, but we can't vote deals that aren't good hot just so as to avoid hurting someones feelings.

There's a difference between unfair cold votes, and fair cold votes.
#32
a bit of negativity never killed anyone, not every deal/freebie etc can be so great, but people shuould take negativity on here with a pinch of salt, if it has helped/ got someone, even one person a good deal that should be good enough, if you get a cold deal, dont think whats the point, find another deal and keep posting. its nothing peronsal getting a cold deal. cold is good especially for beer
#33
Starlet
If lots of people voted it cold, it obviously wasn't a good deal. I'm sorry it upset you, but we can't vote deals that aren't good hot just so as to avoid hurting someones feelings.

There's a difference between unfair cold votes, and fair cold votes.


Starlet, it isnt that nice after you posted the deal, it was a good deal, much better than some other broadband deals tbh and shouldnt have been voted cold without explanation. At the end of the day, why should people bother going through the trouble of posting a deal, for it to be voted cold without a comment! :viking:
#34
Bryan839
Starlet, it isnt that nice after you posted the deal, it was a good deal, much better than some other broadband deals tbh and shouldnt have been voted cold without explanation. At the end of the day, why should people bother going through the trouble of posting a deal, for it to be voted cold without a comment! :viking:

Bryan, This is not real life, who gives a to$$ if deals are voted cold, you thought it was a 'Hot' deal, that's the main thing. It does not matter what these cyber people think, does it?
Don't let small things like this get to you.:p
#35
I like this old quote :

"behind every user name lies a real person"


Its something a lot of people seem to forget.
#36
cold voting is it cyber bullying? haha, lets get the old bill in!!
#37
I no longer put on anything as I got so many negative comments that it wasnt worth it. Some people said it was good and then others disagree.
So I now just read and act on others :whistling:
#38
intenso100
cold voting is it cyber bullying? haha, lets get the old bill in!!


I wonder if half the members here are also registered to that site telling the man to hang himself :whistling:
#39
col
I wonder if half the members here are also registered to that site telling the man to hang himself :whistling:


umm that man who hung himself was from same town as me, i dont think he hung himself because he was being picked on in a chatroom, the simple answer if u get cyber bullied is log off, its a bit diff in real life.
#40
I agree with your coments. In a cyber world you have an on off switch

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