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banned#1
original thread http://www.hotukdeals.com/feedback/trading-restrictions/737541

and if it was locked because i mentioned a members name, you could have removed that post, as it isnt clearly about one member now, members assume trading restrictions mean they cannot post in the fs boards, when infact it means members have been asked not to post

Edited By: sassie on Aug 12, 2010 18:10: ..
1 Like #3
And there is of course lottysdad08 who has still has many disputes on here and other sites but can still post in fs/ft
#4
I didn't know that. Thanks, boothy.

Some sites have a "name & shame" thread to provide (at least) the member name(s) of those who are banned or suspended so you can be aware of their activities either on the respective site or elsewhere.

Do you know of any more members who are serial scammers (allegedly)?

Hmmm... I think with the addition of "allegedly" I may have answered my own non-explicit query why there is not such a thread at HotUKDeals. All it takes is for somebody to be named incorrectly & legal proceedings may follow.

BFN,

fp.
banned#5
members who are restricted from selling should be on a list, that board is very member staffed, if members dont know then how are restricted members stopped, or do you just hope a mod spots them
banned#6
and tha same should go for members who have been told not to list items under certain categories, because obviously a mods word doesnt stop them
1 Like #7
Scammers get dealt with pretty quickly

Feedback should always be used but rarely is

Its the serial bad traders who are a bigger problem...there are still a few with plenty of bad feedback that people still are silly enough to deal with.

The really dumb ones also use the same usernames on multiple sites,there are at least 3 who spring to mind.

Personally i think at if someone gets 3 negs there fs rights should be withdrawn for a minimum period of 3 months.

The onus is still on people to use feedback and verify contact info rather than wing after something goes wrong,sadly a lot of people have not got the sense god gave the common dog
#8
Dog you say? Some have a lot of sense. The whole 'smelling rear ends rather than shaking hands' thing is a bit odd though.

I almost lost some money earlier this year with an established member with 15 positive feedback points; so you cannot always go on that alone, as you suggested.

I fortunately gained all the seller's contact details & finally received a refund. However, it now does make me wary of paying funds into somebody's bank account without any guaranteed despatch of the item being bought.

Other buyers involved in trades with the seller at the time had not gained full (if any) details, & struggled to make contact (as you would expect).

I can point you to the thread (if you wish), but I was prepared to give the seller the 'benefit of the doubt' as everybody has stuff in their lives that mess things up from time to time. I gave the seller the opportunity to correct the problem, & fortunately my money was returned (eventually).

However, I would like to add that aScottishBloke was very helpful & offered to assist me every step of the way, although I managed to secure a refund of my payment without any legal intervention (that I was prepared to progress if I had needed to).

At the time, the sellers activities were seen as dubious & the seller's name was on a "watch list". Obviously it would be wrong to publish such information publicly, but it would have saved me a month's worth of hassle if I had been aware that the "watch" was in place before I had paid for the item (that may, or may not, ever have existed).

It was also a month where I then did not have the funds to find a similar item elsewhere. It could have been a much larger issue for me than it was.

BFN,

fp.

PS. Search for my trading history or "PM" me if you wish to know more details. I have mentioned it in other threads before (too).

Edited By: fanpages on Aug 13, 2010 17:38: Added PS.
banned#9
Thanks for the feedback and thoughts. There are a few members with multiple negative feedbacks. Some will take that into consideration before dealing hopefully.

As for members who have been notified not to post, there are several factors to take into account:

1) It may just be that specific trades that are restricted and a complete lock down is not required.
2) There may be trader like activity. In this instance we ask the member not to post. Ignoring this runs the risk of further account infractions ultimately leading to a ban.
3) Some accounts may be left to run a little longer in order to bring about some reconciliation prior to further action.
4) None of the above is applicable to clear scammers. These accounts are banned.

Thanks again for the member reports in all suspicious trades. Your contributions are most welcome as always. We have 1000's of pairs of eyes running through the forum every day and any breach is likely to be picked up and reported. Members should feel safe here, but as always the trading rules and advice should be followed in full.


Edited By: aScottishBloke on Aug 13, 2010 19:12: Formatting
banned#10
thanks for that, but what i am saying is trading restrictions are actually only enforced if seen by either members or mods, without a list members wont even know there are restrictions to report, leaving members to still post items and also allow them to continue to hide out within wanted threads as we see quite alot

what are the reasons for not keeping members informed of not having a list, what where the reasons behind having the one we had and reasons for it going
banned#11
Thanks, I think we should have a member trading status attached. I'll pass that on as a feature request.

The trading list was a manually compiled thread, nothing more. It did require members to look elsewhere, however I feel your suggestion would eliminate the need for keeping a separate list. Hopefully we can put that into action soon.
banned#12
aScottishBloke
Thanks, I think we should have a member trading status attached. I'll pass that on as a feature request.

The trading list was a manually compiled thread, nothing more. It did require members to look elsewhere, however I feel your suggestion would eliminate the need for keeping a separate list. Hopefully we can put that into action soon.


i hope something can be implemented soon to, either would suffice
#13
Ref the people with multiple negs..is there a reason why they are still allowed to trade?

They clearly bring nothing to the boards except problems....just wondered what the reasoning behind not banning them was...
#14
boothy
And there is of course lottysdad08 who has still has many disputes on here and other sites but can still post in fs/ft


lottysdad08 uses the same lies and excuses on AV Forums (thanks for the link Boothy) as he did on here a while ago.

I never bad mouth people but ...........what a ******* he is. Let alone having a pop at ASB.

lottysdad08 has subscribed to this thread so lets see if he has anything to say.
#15
jasonsowden
lottysdad08 uses the same lies and excuses on AV Forums (thanks for the link Boothy) as he did on here a while ago.I never bad mouth people but ...........what a ******* he is. Let alone having a pop at ASB.lottysdad08 has subscribed to this thread so lets see if he has anything to say.

This makes me really annoyed you know - once there was a thread in misc describing him as a conman and I posted defending him saying I would be very surprised to hear that this is true. Well once again - how wrong was I. He is a disgrace the way he has conducted himself on the fs section - really is
#16
bossyboots
jasonsowden
lottysdad08 uses the same lies and excuses on AV Forums (thanks for the link Boothy) as he did on here a while ago.I never bad mouth people but ...........what a ******* he is. Let alone having a pop at ASB.lottysdad08 has subscribed to this thread so lets see if he has anything to say.


This makes me really annoyed you know - once there was a thread in misc describing him as a conman and I posted defending him saying I would be very surprised to hear that this is true. Well once again - how wrong was I. He is a disgrace the way he has conducted himself on the fs section - really is


Yeap bossyboots im the same, defend people as you think right and then feel totally let down when you know a mistake has been made.

It takes quite a lot to get me going but this bloke makes HDUK look like a joke. The place would be a more friendly and safer place without him and his lies. I would never talk about anyone like this on an open forum but the members that pm'd me about him was shocking and had a very detailed conversation with one member!

ASB sets him straight even thou lottysdad08 tries to mock him. Hopefully ASB will sort it out for us all!
banned#17
I called lottysdad08 out about a year ago. Post got removed and I was suspended. Nice to know the **** got found out eventually and as per usual I was right.
#18
vibeone
I called lottysdad08 out about a year ago. Post got removed and I was suspended. Nice to know the **** got found out eventually and as per usual I was right.


Nice to see you back VB1, been away anywhere nice?!

He was found out ages ago but im glad everyone is talking about him. Best thing is lottysdad08 is reading this but so far 'no comment' !!

Edited By: jasonsowden on Aug 14, 2010 11:01: h
#19
It's a shame that this thread has been used as a vehicle to attack a named member of HUKD.
banned#20
its a shame that threads are needed to let people know about bad traders rather than just banning them
banned#21
thesaint
It's a shame that this thread has been used as a vehicle to attack a named member of HUKD.


Don't worry sainty, the mods will be along soon to tidy up and protect the scammers (as usual)

PS: "Member" is a good description of him.

Edited By: vibeone on Aug 14, 2010 11:37: bfg
#22
thesaint
It's a shame that this thread has been used as a vehicle to attack a named member of HUKD.


No its not a shame, unless you have dealt with the bloke directly you really have no idea! Its surprising that he is still a 'member' of HDUK.


colinsunderland
its a shame that threads are needed to let people know about bad traders rather than just banning them


Totally agree. There should be a system of say a couple of major strikes in FS/FT and out (permanently). I agree with the infractions and short term suspension for minor issues.
#23
How do you know he subscribed to this thread??
banned#24
please dont turn this into a who is who thread, i am hoping ASB will be able to push admin into some kind of trading ban thread, or something attatched to their names, after todays perfomances on the fs board i am hoping this will be pushed soon as it is clear a mod pm doesnt actually stop them
banned#25
Sadly when a member fails to adhere to mod instructions a ban can be implemented. As lottysdad08 has refused to adhere to our directions, we have no option but to now ban, given his apparent contempt.

You are free to continue this chat, but it shouldn't be member specific as such as they may not have the right of reply as in this instance.

Re mini0ne, the current instruction was to cease buy/sell within the trading forums. I'll treat this as a member advising others in this instance, although I may reword instructions in future.
banned#26
when you say a ban can be implemented, do you might a site ban or fs board ban, if it is the latter why id this not done when it is clear they are no longer allowed to trade on the fs board, and if you say so they caqn offer advice to others i am gonna sling some mud at ya
banned#27
As before, when there's an opportunity to encourage communications, we'll keep the permissions active and ask the account holder to refrain from new trades. This has been successful in the past with a few members getting refunds, although sadly there are still some that continue to exploit.

If members ignore mod instructions, then a site ban would seem more appropriate rather than going down to lockdown in certain forums. That's my current thinking anyhow, but happy to take suggestions. It's more severe than restrictions, so I guess it's transferring the onus on the member to comply rather than us tweaking accounts all the time. Scammers of course will always be booted when the case is clear or we have sufficient cause of concern.
#28
I know i keep banging on about this but If people have been asked to stop posting in fs forums i cannot see the reason why they should have any access at all in the long term..appreciate in the short term this may encourage them to complete a trade.

They have obviously abused the privelidge and by allowing them to view there is always the temptation to prey on inexperienced traders by using the PM system

Edited By: boothy on Aug 14, 2010 16:23: Ai
banned#29
I am not on about site bans for members that have negs, or things have gone **** up, i am referring to members who no longer are allowed to trade on the fs boards, can you not just put a trading ban on them, where they cannot post in that forum? confused to if this can be done to why it isnt

i still think their should be a thread, kept updated with members who have bad trades, ongoing disputes, etc,etc i know this takes mod time, but as i have said before as that board is heavily staffed by members then members need to know what is going on, yes most members can look back on other threads to see mod restrictions etc,etc but new members dont always know how to use the boards., it just seems madness to say mod restrictions, or fs restrictions within a thread and then leave them to continue to post, and this is usualy smeakily done in other threads rather than their own
banned#30
I know the last thread about bad trades got messy and a few boobs where made, it still worked and was there for members to see, at the moment a member can have two accounts or even more, work up some good feedback on the first and get negs on second accounts, second account banned and nobody is any the wiser to the seller actually having bad feedback, this isnt good for hukd or its members
banned#31
boothy
I know i keep banging on about this but If people have been asked to stop posting in fs forums i cannot see the reason why they should have any access at all in the long term..appreciate in the short term this may encourage them to complete a trade.

They have obviously abused the privelidge and by allowing them to view there is always the temptation to prey on inexperienced traders by using the PM system


I know, but it wouldn't take a genius to realise that they could access the forums without being logged in (or at another address), therefore leaving the opportunity to still contact via PM from their own restricted account. Any reports that instructions are not being adhered to seriously faces the risk of a complete ban, which we'll have no hesitation in enforcing if the situation requires that. I think this is a step up from the previous restrictions and members should be aware that we won't tolerate attempts to bypass instructions. If we start going down the route of imposing a forum lockdown followed by a PM restriction then we run the risk of being admin heavy and time consuming. Better to transfer the onus to members (who should always follow the trading rules and advice in full, regardless of new or established account).

@Sassie - We will try and implement a member status that reflects account restrictions, making it easier for all to monitor. With regards to your latest point, that's always been a bit of an annoyance. If the member status can reflect trading permissions, then it would be sensible to implement a status that highlights feedback may be incomplete due to xyz reason.


Edited By: aScottishBloke on Aug 14, 2010 16:35: Later post requires a response.
banned#32
will that also inlcude second accounts being attatched to the account still live?
banned#33
It should do - whilst we might not direct link to the account (it's not always the same person and could indeed be a multiple household account rather than a multi id), we can at least try and give some additional alert to the fact that the account has previously breached our t&c's and therefore the feedback may not be 100% reflective of the actual status.

This wouldn't be applicable where a multi set up a 2nd account and used that in an attempt to scam as we would close down all accounts including the original,
banned#34
aScottishBloke
It should do - whilst we might not direct link to the account (it's not always the same person and could indeed be a multiple household account rather than a multi id), we can at least try and give some additional alert to the fact that the account has previously breached our t&c's and therefore the feedback may not be 100% reflective of the actual status.

This wouldn't be applicable where a multi set up a 2nd account and used that in an attempt to scam as we would close down all accounts including the original,


that is good to hear, i am all for anything that helps as for the latter part, i am not saying 2nd accounts are only set up to scam, some are just impatient and set up 2nd accounts to trade whilst maybe on the naughty step and as for saying it maybe a second household member well we all know thats the most used excuse out there, it doesnt mean its the case

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