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[mod]#1
The present general guidelines are as follows :
Please note, we do not allow:

1. Referrals
2. 3rd party affiliate links
3. Amazon MarketPlace/PlayTrade deals
4. eBay auctions/eBay based sellers
5. Self promotion of any kind
6. Spam
7. Non UK sites (except those pre-approved by Admin)
8. UK Sole Traders/Individuals


Obviously we do review other factors when assessing a new retailer, but at this time those websites/retailers registered to Sole Traders & Individuals do not meet existing HUKD Merchant criteria. Thanks.
#2
Just hope then that the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) dont investigate Hotukdeals, as the guidelines set by Hotdeals is discrimination against "small retailers" or "sole-traders".

The idea of "Hotukdeals" is for the general public to share deals that they find - but the only companies taking advantage of this is large multi chain companies like Argos, Play and Tesco.
#3
peter_griffen
Just hope then that the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) dont investigate Hotukdeals, as the guidelines set by Hotdeals is discrimination against "small retailers" or "sole-traders".

The idea of "Hotukdeals" is for the general public to share deals that they find - but the only companies taking advantage of this is large multi chain companies like Argos, Play and Tesco.


Surely there reserve the right to stop people posting these deals, not based on the fact there small companies but based on the fact that there unknown quantities. Retailers are usually scrutinized by the site before people are allowed to post the deal. Scam stopping I suppose.
#4
peter_griffen
Just hope then that the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) dont investigate Hotukdeals, as the guidelines set by Hotdeals is discrimination against "small retailers" or "sole-traders".

The idea of "Hotukdeals" is for the general public to share deals that they find - but the only companies taking advantage of this is large multi chain companies like Argos, Play and Tesco.


In return, Large businesses can investigate the F.S.B for discriminating against them. :)
#5
thesaint
In return, Large businesses can investigate the F.S.B for discriminating against them. :)


LOL
#6
Adam2050
Surely there reserve the right to stop people posting these deals, not based on the fact there small companies but based on the fact that there unknown quantities. Retailers are usually scrutinized by the site before people are allowed to post the deal. Scam stopping I suppose.


Although i understand by "unknown quantity" - how does anyone know what sort of quantity large companies such as Argos, Tesco holds? - I have been many times in Argos after seeing a special offer on Hotdeals, of which no stores within a 100miles of where i lived had any in stock.
Personally, to make this fair, HDUK should have a section for smaller, indepentant companies offers, but have a disclaimer on each listing to advise customers that the store/quanity is unknown (or something like this).

I like to buy from indepentant as much as possible, as most of the time their prices are competitive and they give a much better service.
#7
peter_griffen
Although i understand by "unknown quantity" - how does anyone know what sort of quantity large companies such as Argos, Tesco holds? - I have been many times in Argos after seeing a special offer on Hotdeals, of which no stores within a 100miles of where i lived had any in stock.
Personally, to make this fair, HDUK should have a section for smaller, indepentant companies offers, but have a disclaimer on each listing to advise customers that the store/quanity is unknown (or something like this).

I like to buy from indepentant as much as possible, as most of the time their prices are competitive and they give a much better service.


I don't disagree with you, but I don't think its anything to do with stock, it will be to do with knowning that company (large) will not scam, they're major retailers. Amazon traders are unknown entity. I personally wouldn't buy major items from them unless someone had used them before and they had the own website, or they were on ebay ( As there are protection schemes in place for buyers).

That's only assumption.
#8
Just because a company is "large" - it doesnt mean you can trust them more? Why do you think the BBC has "watchdog" programme, its so the general public can complain about large firms that takes them for "a ride".
I fully agree that you wouldnt buy a expensive item from jo-bloggs shop, but surely cheaper items could be listed? It would give the public more varity and choices?
But after reading some threads further on, I now understand why HDUK works, they make commision from retailers for the clicks/sales which is generated from HDUK users, so I would presume that HDUK cannot make any money on the smaller guys, so they are not interested in helping to promote their items. Its a pitty really as I would enjoy having more interesting deals instead of boring Argos, CDdiscount and Play *yawn*
#9
peter_griffen
Just because a company is "large" - it doesnt mean you can trust them more? Why do you think the BBC has "watchdog" programme, its so the general public can complain about large firms that takes them for "a ride".
I fully agree that you wouldnt buy a expensive item from jo-bloggs shop, but surely cheaper items could be listed? It would give the public more varity and choices?
But after reading some threads further on, I now understand why HDUK works, they make commision from retailers for the clicks/sales which is generated from HDUK users, so I would presume that HDUK cannot make any money on the smaller guys, so they are not interested in helping to promote their items. Its a pitty really as I would enjoy having more interesting deals instead of boring Argos, CDdiscount and Play *yawn*


I guess thats a big factor also.

I use the FS/FT forums on here, and again it's open to new scammers every day. So a lot of members point out potential scammers all the time.

Where as big retailers sometimes make mistakes they don't like bad publicity from 'watchdog' etc, but I'd rather not deal with potential scammers, as new deals come up all the time from dodgey retailers (small buisnesses, new, and traders). So its getting the right balance.
#10
peter_griffen;5397077
Just because a company is "large" - it doesnt mean you can trust them more? Why do you think the BBC has "watchdog" programme, its so the general public can complain about large firms that takes them for "a ride".
I fully agree that you wouldnt buy a expensive item from jo-bloggs shop, but surely cheaper items could be listed? It would give the public more varity and choices?
But after reading some threads further on, I now understand why HDUK works, they make commision from retailers for the clicks/sales which is generated from HDUK users, so I would presume that HDUK cannot make any money on the smaller guys, so they are not interested in helping to promote their items. Its a pitty really as I would enjoy having more interesting deals instead of boring Argos, CDdiscount and Play *yawn*


A company being large doesn't necessarily mean you can trust them more, but it is easier to identify if they are self-promoting and more likely to hold a useful level of stock and be able to cope with thousands of potential purchasers. This site sometimes gets, if i recall correctly, upwards of 100 suspected spam (self-promoting) deal posts every day - from both small and large companies alike. With a small, private trader it would be so hard to assess each one (when a new business is posted it has to be checked out which takes time, using a number of steps such as IP look-ups, checking the website for required details and checking search engines for reviews and problems) - unfortunately there isn't the time or resources to do this, so sole-traders are not allowed. Its fair to say though that any deal which made it hot enough to get to the front page would likely be beyond what a sole-trader could cope with in terms of traffic and purchases anyway :thumbsup:
#11
sigma
The present general guidelines are as follows :


Obviously we do review other factors when assessing a new retailer, but at this time those websites/retailers registered to Sole Traders & Individuals do not meet existing HUKD Merchant criteria. Thanks.


I am aware of the guidelines, as i seen them in another thread. I already know they are not allowed, hence why i created this thread.

The questions is WHY?

Also, the question about whether partnerships are allowed, or just Ltd. and PLC
#12
Should exclusions be made for many stores that operate in an ebay capacity in addition to their main stores. Such as argos-clearancebargins is an official side of the business with a few good deals.
#13
peter_griffen;5397077
Just because a company is "large" - it doesnt mean you can trust them more? Why do you think the BBC has "watchdog" programme, its so the general public can complain about large firms that takes them for "a ride".
I fully agree that you wouldnt buy a expensive item from jo-bloggs shop, but surely cheaper items could be listed? It would give the public more varity and choices?
But after reading some threads further on, I now understand why HDUK works, they make commision from retailers for the clicks/sales which is generated from HDUK users, so I would presume that HDUK cannot make any money on the smaller guys, so they are not interested in helping to promote their items. Its a pitty really as I would enjoy having more interesting deals instead of boring Argos, CDdiscount and Play *yawn*


Admins already put a stop to that myth. - not every large company pays a commission but they're still allowed on here and all treated equally.

As for the small companies it would be pretty much impossible to allow them as each one would require moderation. Someone would have to check if the company is legit, if the deal is legit, if they have a decent level of stock, check it's not self promotion. So on and so forth.

As for the FSB that's a load of rubbish
banned#14
RedIron
Admins already put a stop to that myth. - not every large company pays a commission but they're still allowed on here and all treated equally.

As for the small companies it would be pretty much impossible to allow them as each one would require moderation. Someone would have to check if the company is legit, if the deal is legit, if they have a decent level of stock, check it's not self promotion. So on and so forth.


That doesn't really make any sense.

I'm a sole trader and hold enough stock usually to be able to cope with a decent amount of orders. If I don't have much of something I don't put it on the website or ebay as it will be sold in my shop or on markets and car boot sales. If something is on my website I certainly have more stock than some of the dsg or argos deals you see posted where there might be 2 left in the whole country!

My website won't be allowed on here as its registered to an individual, however if I didn't supply orders I could be taken to court and have to pay any customers back.

I could change to being a ltd company very easily, hold the same amount of stock, and do everything exactly the same as I do now, but would be allowed on here. The difference being, if I couldn't supply peoples orders or hit money problems I could make the company bust and not have to pay anything back. So being a sole trader could be safer for buyers than a ltd in some cases.

As for self promo we have seen large companies do that anyway. Regarding checking each company out, surely that has to be done with any new merchant otherwise how would the mods know if they are a ltd or sole trader anyway?
#15
colinsunderland
That doesn't really make any sense.

I'm a sole trader and hold enough stock usually to be able to cope with a decent amount of orders. If I don't have much of something I don't put it on the website or ebay as it will be sold in my shop or on markets and car boot sales. If something is on my website I certainly have more stock than some of the dsg or argos deals you see posted where there might be 2 left in the whole country!

My website won't be allowed on here as its registered to an individual, however if I didn't supply orders I could be taken to court and have to pay any customers back.

I could change to being a ltd company very easily, hold the same amount of stock, and do everything exactly the same as I do now, but would be allowed on here. The difference being, if I couldn't supply peoples orders or hit money problems I could make the company bust and not have to pay anything back. So being a sole trader could be safer for buyers than a ltd in some cases.

As for self promo we have seen large companies do that anyway. Regarding checking each company out, surely that has to be done with any new merchant otherwise how would the mods know if they are a ltd or sole trader anyway?



Well done! - I could'nt have said it better myself!. I fully support on what you are saying.
But at the end of the day - its "their" rules and they just do not want to support any sole traders which is a pitty. I do know for a fact that large companies do promote themselves on here, its very clear to see. By far the worst is CDdiscount deals which seems to be listed by 2 or 3 same persons. A-lot of other users has mentioned this on other posts, but i would imagine that they "grease their hands" quite nicely.....

As a sole-trader myself, I wish you all the best and sucess in business.
banned#16
I wonder how Tringsat is an allowed merchant as they don't seem to be a ltd company, the only whois details seem to point to an individual, the website was only registered 6 months ago (for a year) and they only accept paypal for payment.
#17
peter_griffen;5427303
I do know for a fact that large companies do promote themselves on here, its very clear to see.


Please report anything you think might be self promotion, and it will be looked into. The report button is to the left of each post <<< We do not allow self promotion of any kind on the forums.
#18
emmajk42

Please report anything you think might be self promotion, and it will be looked into. The report button is to the left of each post <<< We do not allow self promotion of any kind on the forums.



names:

millarcat
amibess

just click the link, and you will see my point

http://www.hotukdeals.com/search?action=search&keywords=cdiscount

I cannot see any reason why anyone would bother to promote the store all the time if they arent somehow involved.....
#19
colinsunderland
I wonder how Tringsat is an allowed merchant as they don't seem to be a ltd company, the only whois details seem to point to an individual, the website was only registered 6 months ago (for a year) and they only accept paypal for payment.


Our store has normal credit/debit card checkout and also Paypal express checkout. The Paypal option is used much more than the normal checkout. I think customers feels "safe" with Paypal rather than entering in their cards details all the time :-D
banned#20
peter_griffen
Our store has normal credit/debit card checkout and also Paypal express checkout. The Paypal option is used much more than the normal checkout. I think customers feels "safe" with Paypal rather than entering in their cards details all the time :-D


I wasn't meaning there was anything wrong with paypal, but that is something thats mentioned on here regulary as something to look out for when checking if a site is safe.
banned#21
So are partnerships allowed?
Surely if sole traders aren't allowed then a partnership isn't

For example, these are a partnership and yet seem to be allowed

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/422530/some-good-deals-jejamescycles-co-uk/?p=5496413#post5496413

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