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#1
Know who you're talking about. Just banned from trading or banned from the site??
banned#2
teambintip
Know who you're talking about. Just banned from trading or banned from the site??

Well lets not name names, as while this is anonymous, I see no reason for it not to be discussed, or this thread to be closed etc. This is kinda what feedback is for isn't it?

suspended from the site for now, banned from trading, buying or selling ANY xbox 360 related items.

Just consider whether the same could happen to you - I don't see any difference between what the poster has done, and what I do. And I'm not a pro-trader - but am I gonna get banned too based on these regulations?
banned#3
dcx_badass
Wait! what? Common sense from the mods? This isn't HotUKFantasies.com

LOL... maybe you are right, but everyone hates all mods on all sites. Fact!

I just want a mod to specify clearly WHY they think the poster is a trader. Thats all.

BTW: In case we're not allowed to discuss suspended users etc, lets just talk about how to ban traders, spot them in the first place, and whether the mods should be able to justify their actions publicly.

I see the same few posters trading, buying and selling "sealed" dvds etc all the time... surely they should be classed as trading as well?
banned#4
theres 100's on here that trade, there trading activity on the fs boards make it pretty obvious what they are doing, but some get away and others dont, like everything else really, no doubt you will get the standard response though, if your lucky enough to get one at all
#5
lol wouldnt go as far as 100s
banned#6
MarzBarz
lol wouldnt go as far as 100s


i would
#7
sassie
i would


i highly doubt theres 100s tbh.
banned#8
I think I know who your on about. He has given me a lot of advise on 360's.

I think its ridiculous that he got banned/suspended, I could understand if he kept selling new stuff that had previously been on sale cheaper or was clearly selling things over market value to make money but he is just into his 360s.

Think he even got warned about giving advice before its shocking
#9
yeh totally agree with you guys, i didnt even mind.
#10
guv
I'm at a miss why a thread to help unluck mobile phones is a problem - particularly when threads exist to show to run pirate software on Nintendo DS. For the record, I haven't a problem with either - and its rather ironic that in another thread Ducky posted that it wasn't illegal (which is correct) to unlock a mobile phone.


Since last summer it became legal to mod any console, unlocking mobiles whilst being legal, has the the stipulation that you must the rightful owner of a phone to unlock it, due to the large number of thefts of mobile phones I think the mods are just being a little cautious about the possibilities of aiding any criminals out there looking to unlock stolen phones.
#11
guv
If a reason had been given and he was harping on about it being it, then I guess questioning the mods could be conscrued as challenging. But since we are told "use the contact button" with no answer being given and the thread to ask what the problem was was obviously seen by the mods (since it was moved), it's a pretty poor show to silence someone who only wanted an answer to a question. A question which was quite justified IMHO. How many phones are sold unlocked for example in the FS forum?

Maybe the preference for Misc IS for fantasy argumentative threads now.

A sorry state of affairs.

I'm at a miss why a thread to help unluck mobile phones is a problem - particularly when threads exist to show to run pirate software on Nintendo DS. For the record, I haven't a problem with either - and its rather ironic that in another thread Ducky posted that it wasn't illegal (which is correct) to unlock a mobile phone.

Shame this thread will similarly be silenced by removal.


Agree with you there and yep they just hand out suspensions.
banned#12
Any chance of a mod reply?
#13
TBH it will be locked and few of us may even be infracted.
#14
If this is a permanent ban on trading, buying or selling ANY xbox 360 related items...Its a disgrace!! This guy is so helpful and genuine aswell...

Hope it gets reversed anyway...

Just my 2 cents
banned#15
MarzBarz
TBH it will be locked and few of us may even be infracted.


If that happens, and I'll make it clear and go on record - I will leave.

Couldn't give a stuff about getting infractions - but the principles behind that reaction would make sure I never come near the site again.
#16
guv
Got a link to this "new law"?

In the meantime, everyone can happily carry on asking advice on how to copy films, play illegal games and such like with the blessing of HUKD.



you can Google it, they were found legal by court ruling due to the overturning of a previous decision by appeal courts in the case of Neil Stanley Higgs trading as 'Mr ModChips' after it was argued that "any copyright infringement was carried out by the person copying the original disc and not by the hardware modification itself."

there is a big discussion about it on the A.V. forums if you want to check it out there.

to be honest I only found out about it myself a couple of weeks ago.
banned#17
keeyop
Since last summer it became legal to mod any console, unlocking mobiles whilst being legal, has the the stipulation that you must the rightful owner of a phone to unlock it, due to the large number of thefts of mobile phones I think the mods are just being a little cautious about the possibilities of aiding any criminals out there looking to unlock stolen phones.


Thats not true, I have unlocked thousands of phones, and I have never been the rightful owner of any of them.
#18
well, maybe I'm reading too much into it, the last couple of times that I've taken a phone to be unlocked, I've had to show either a receipt or a copy of the service contract. when I asked the bloke what had changed he said that it was now a legal requirement that they made sure I was the rightful owner of a phone before they could unlock it.


guv
This is what I was referring to in case it wasn't clear enough - though it was directly what you replied about iin my post!


Was it? well blow me, because I thought your original post stated


guv
particularly when threads exist to show to run pirate software on Nintendo DS


I mean with the use of the word "Particularly" it was almost as if you were using it to some how enforce your point, as some sort of example of a parallel.
clearly I was wrong.
banned#19
Posts are being deleted from this thread without warning or reason.

Mods (or rather, the particular mod that we know is doing it): This thread is on topic and not locked. The posts made - not by me - are within the rules and guidelines of HUKDs. If you insist on deleting posts, please have the decency to explain why.
#20
vibeone;4510881
Posts are being deleted from this thread without warning or reason.

Mods (or rather, the particular mod that we know is doing it): This thread is on topic and not locked. The posts made - not by me - are within the rules and guidelines of HUKDs. If you insist on deleting posts, please have the decency to explain why.

The posts made earlier were deleted because they were off topic and the poster only replying here to draw attention to him/herself.

Thanks for noting this.
banned#21
rayman
The posts made earlier were deleted because they were off topic and the poster only replying here to draw attention to him/herself.

Thanks for noting this.

Please check your PM. The gist is, please could you help to put this to bed, by stating some or all of the evidence against the poster. You claim he is a pro-trader, but many many others say he's not.

If for no other reason, please take it as a polite request to see how the mods come to their judgements.
#22
vibeone;4511059
Please check your PM. The gist is, please could you help to put this to bed, by stating some or all of the evidence against the poster. You claim he is a pro-trader, but many many others say he's not.

If for no other reason, please take it as a polite request to see how the mods come to their judgements.

As we see it, the user concerned has continued to show trader/businesslike behaviour/offering a business service in the FS forum and as this is a breach of that forum's rules, we have to act on what we see.

Allowing one person to trade in that way, opens the floodgates to all traders with a free hand to spam the FS forum.
1 Like #23
rayman
As we see it, the user concerned has continued to show trader/businesslike behaviour/offering a business service in the FS forum and as this is a breach of that forum's rules, we have to act on what we see.

Allowing one person to trade in that way, opens the floodgates to all traders with a free hand to spam the FS forum.



Sorry, not to create forum dramatics, but simply backing up my corner here, I have NEVER offered a service to anyone, that is simply how you chose to see it.

The trader / businesslike behaviour comes from selling off the older used items (what everyone does on this site) so i could fund newer ones for my kids, but as I have 6 kids, you see that as me being a business, no dude, simply lots of items to sell from having a big family.

You told me to go to AV forums if i wanted to continue to offer my services or sell 360 items, well my username has been the same on there longer than I have been here and you will see that i have not done anything of the sort, feel free to check my ebay too as i havent sold anything there either for a very long time.

I AM NOT a business, I AM NOT a trader, AND I AM NOT OFFERING ANY SERVICES.

I believe my ban is unjust and it should be limited to just offering services like you said, as that is what is in the rules anyway. Banning me from selling my kids library of games is silly and petty.
banned#24
DudeyGeeza
Sorry, not to create forum dramatics, but simply backing up my corner here, I have NEVER offered a service to anyone, that is simply how you chose to see it.

The trader / businesslike behaviour comes from selling off the older used items (what everyone does on this site) so i could fund newer ones for my kids, but as I have 6 kids, you see that as me being a business, no dude, simply lots of items to sell from having a big family.

You told me to go to AV forums if i wanted to continue to offer my services or sell 360 items, well my username has been the same on there longer than I have been here and you will see that i have not done anything of the sort, feel free to check my ebay too as i havent sold anything there either for a very long time.

I AM NOT a business, I AM NOT a trader, AND I AM NOT OFFERING ANY SERVICES.

I believe my ban is unjust and it should be limited to just offering services like you said, as that is what is in the rules anyway. Banning me from selling my kids library of games is silly and petty.

Well at least its on record now.... I'm sure it wont make a difference, but at least people can make up their own minds whether its just or not.
#25
I've seen people on here still allowed to trade after ripping people off; having their money for weeks without sending items; agreeing to buy and they just not sending payment, etc, etc. They're all still allowed to trade, and yet Dudey is given a ban because he sells a lot of stuff on here, and helps some people out with things?

Ridiculous in my opinion....

I think the mods (and sorry if I'm speaking out of turn and likely to get an infraction here) need to prioritise here... sort out the scumbags on this site rather than the decent people.
#26
hodsey77
I've seen people on here still allowed to trade after ripping people off; having their money for weeks without sending items; agreeing to buy and they just not sending payment, etc, etc. They're all still allowed to trade, and yet Dudey is given a ban because he sells a lot of stuff on here, and helps some people out with things?

Ridiculous in my opinion....

I think the mods (and sorry if I'm speaking out of turn and likely to get an infraction here) need to prioritise here... sort out the scumbags on this site rather than the decent people.


Yep i totally agree with you here. Theres many scammers around now and or some people delaying to post things and recently time wasters are appearing. These problems should be sorted first. Whereas the member in question here is the OPPOSITE of all that.

P.S mods is this a better comment:roll:

Like the use of that smiley ? lol;-)
banned#27
The mods take into account the previous history of members when deciding to infract/suspend/ban. So if you've got a bit of history it just might come back and bite you on the erse. :thumbsup:
banned#28
does it matter if he is a trader? does it hurt anybody?
#29
incentable.co.uk
does it matter if he is a trader? does it hurt anybody?


i get your point but the fact is i am not a trader.

What does my head in is i see so many people listing and buying things that is obviously only to make a quick buck, yet nothing happens to them, I may just become the report machine as i know i have not been behaving like these other users, utterly outrageous that the mod team do nothing about it.
banned#30
DudeyGeeza
i get your point but the fact is i am not a trader.

What does my head in is i see so many people listing and buying things that is obviously only to make a quick buck, yet nothing happens to them, I may just become the report machine as i know i have not been behaving like these other users, utterly outrageous that the mod team do nothing about it.

If nothing else, maybe the mods could give you a way of proving it.

Its weird, as loads of people here know you aren't a trader, but equally we must all agree, the mods obviously have their reaosns - albeit leading to an incorrect decisions.

So come on mods, how might Dudey prove it to you?
#31
vibeone
If nothing else, maybe the mods could give you a way of proving it.

Its weird, as loads of people here know you aren't a trader, but equally we must all agree, the mods obviously have their reaosns - albeit leading to an incorrect decisions.

So come on mods, how might Dudey prove it to you?


Fact is dude, people pass so much stuff through this site, and others, doesnt mean to say that is their "shop" items, plus, i think it is them not liking the fact that I know the ins and outs of a 360 and most other stuff, so offering advice, selling all my kids older 360's (which is over with now, they all have new ones:-D) they called it "trader like behaviour", so i have been classed as doing that or behaving like i am a trader, even if i am not.

I'm sure if every other member got asked to show thier bank statement, or a work pay slip to prove they don't sell things on the internet for a living, but do so to just pass on the odd items that are not needed anymore, then there would be an upheaval!
#32
Dudeygeeza, you probably lost the right to "Benefit of the doubt" when you lied about your actions in the "For Sale/Trade" forum last year which led to your ban from listing anything in it.

This was reinstated, so be thankful that you can trade at all.

I am expiring this thread, as it seems to be a personal problem more suited to the "Contact Us" form than a "HUKD issue".
banned#33
thesaint
Dudeygeeza, you probably lost the right to "Benefit of the doubt" when you lied about your actions in the "For Sale/Trade" forum last year which led to your ban from listing anything in it.

This was reinstated, so be thankful that you can trade at all.

I am expiring this thread, as it seems to be a personal problem more suited to the "Contact Us" form than a "HUKD issue".

Reported for wrongly expiring threads (again).

To be clear: The thread title is an accurate description of what this thread should be about. Unjust bans, all posters, all sub-forums.

edit: good quick action from the mods to unexpire it :) thanks. Any chance of doing something about this repeat offender?
#34
thesaint
Dudeygeeza, you probably lost the right to "Benefit of the doubt" when you lied about your actions in the "For Sale/Trade" forum last year which led to your ban from listing anything in it.

This was reinstated, so be thankful that you can trade at all.

I am expiring this thread, as it seems to be a personal problem more suited to the "Contact Us" form than a "HUKD issue".


Lied about my actions?? that's a bit strong dude, think you should take a cold shower or something.. I listed a fake memory card, get over it! Many were doing it at the time, just I was the one head hunted by you and your clique to make an example out of.

If you are refering to something else, please get it off your chest!
#35
vibeone


To be clear: The thread title is an accurate description of what this thread should be about. Unjust bans, all posters, all sub-forums.


My mistake, I read it to be about one member in one forum. Sorry.
banned#36
DudeyGeeza;4525701
Lied about my actions?? that's a bit strong dude, think you should take a cold shower or something.. I listed a fake memory card, get over it! Many were doing it at the time, just I was the one head hunted by you and your clique to make an example out of.

If you are refering to something else, please get it off your chest!


Hey Dude,

#32 was a reference to those who fail to realise "previous" is taken into account. Your comment above is a bit unfair as I recall this very clearly. Infact, quite lucky that you're still here and only the alias you used at the time of your suspension was banned. :thumbsup:
#37
aScottishBloke
Hey Dude,

#32 was a reference to those who fail to realise "previous" is taken into account. Your comment above is a bit unfair as I recall this very clearly. Infact, quite lucky that you're still here and only the alias you used at the time of your suspension was banned. :thumbsup:


That was not the case, it was simply my Mrs airing her views, to which I have appologised more than enough for.

What I have done in the past is sell a fully working but fake psp memory card and try to explain that there is no official test to prove that a non magicgate card is actually fake, yes everyone knows that they are, but officially there is no test to prove so and though this site no longer allows the sale of such items, it is essentially down to the buyer to decide what they are buying, who in this case was happy with their purchase and fully understood what they were buying from me at the time. There was no deception on my part what so ever!

Continuing to chastise me over something that happened over a year ago is childish at the least.

You can believe what you like, but your opinion on what you "think" happened back then is not for discussion here, and i find it rather pathetic that you and thesaint insist on sticking together on this yet again. I could publically state my opinion on your bad feedback as a trader here, but i wont, as im not that kind of person, and it wouldn't be fair to arouse people to what "may" have happened in your case.

Look, the fact is, just by bringing this lot up again, you are "bumping by proxy" (lol, something rayman is hot on at mo..), and as we gathered from the last time, I cant get the last word against you two so I wont even try.. But just so you know and to be as transparent as I can, now you have mentioned the past again, I have had to set the record straight. Any further discussion on this past issue will be reported and removed as it is purely your opinion, not fact.
banned#38
DudeyGeeza;4526308

You can believe what you like, but your opinion on what you "think" happened back then is not for discussion here, and i find it rather pathetic that you and thesaint insist on sticking together on this yet again. I could publically state my opinion on your bad feedback as a trader here, but i wont, as im not that kind of person, and it wouldn't be fair to arouse people to what "may" have happened in your case.


Dude,

You seem to have personalised this thread, not me. You should appreciate that I was trying to highlight the fact that mods have access to the full case history, so no point in you quoting the odd part that might be in your favour so as to give your side more credibility. Thats's just wrong and in my opinion completely deceptive, a little bit like your 360 sales. I've checked out your ebay history and I'd say the mods are right here, a good spot by them and well done.

As for my feedback on one item, you've highlighted a good point. I met all my obligations to the full, whilst a timewaster couldn't be bothered to get in touch despite the fact that I forwarded all my details prior to conclusion of sale. End result is a neg for me, however it's worth it if someone can be bothered to read the history.
#39
aScottishBloke
Dude,

You seem to have personalised this thread, not me. You should appreciate that I was trying to highlight the fact that mods have access to the full case history, so no point in you quoting the odd part that might be in your favour so as to give your side more credibility. Thats's just wrong and in my opinion completely deceptive, a little bit like your 360 sales. I've checked out your ebay history and I'd say the mods are right here, a good spot by them and well done.

As for my feedback on one item, you've highlighted a good point. I met all my obligations to the full, whilst a timewaster couldn't be bothered to get in touch despite the fact that I forwarded all my details prior to conclusion of sale. End result is a neg for me, however it's worth it if someone can be bothered to read the history.


again, blowing it all out of proportion, reported!

Btw, my previous eBay id was taken over by my older brother nearly a year ago, i will ask him about the activity to see what you mean. But making comments without the full picture is not on dude.

Just to add, I'm happy to provide my current ebay id and message through that to Admin or any other mod, if confirmation is needed.
banned#40
Dude,

You don't really need to make this personal - but you continue to do so. Yet another twist with accounts - I'm not surprised. :w00t:

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